to be within reason what is it really is possible to reverse the researchers and scientists all over the world for a no race against time. they are peers and rivals with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it on youtube dw documentary, the to wagner mutiny was the single biggest challenge to flooding air pollutants 23 years old. and the picture of what really happened is only very slowly becoming clear. it appears that the head of the mercenary group, if gaining pre, goes into plan to capture rushes, top defense officials and speculation is rife about the role of other senior

commanders in his plot. the rebellion was quickly called off, and provision is now in feller, bruce, the questions remain over how much of a handler improvements credibility is taken and what for goldens? next move might be nicole fairly in berlin, and this is the day the table my what are the real intentions of the buckner group? the situations under control vi and we do not know the purpose of this relocation and the commission. i believe that the contingent will not be very large to body to serve the occupation of fellow rooster. or are they to create an additional threat to ukraine from the north, around forces of killed more than $20000.00 to these to this? or are they supposed to be a potential threat of to our country as nato countries is fine? not by. not both. also coming up on the day stomach migrant

crossings of the northern border of the united states transit through the yes is no longer the best way into canada. so this is the path that the migrants used to take to cross to canada. they would walk down this way, they would be processed over there at that facility. but now this is the limits. no one is allowed to cross. welcome to the show. it's good to have you with us. questions are still swirling around the wagner mutiny in russia over the weekend. us media reports suggest you have game for goes and initially intended to seize russia's top military specials. and that some generals and the secret service may have known about his plans days ahead. a short lived rebellion san wagner, troops occupying the southern russian city of roast. on dawn, a key logistics and command center. a wagner column then got within a few 100 kilometers of moscow before per goes and ordered his forces to turn

around. and the kremlin has dismissed the emerging information of speculation, but the revolt paints a picture of deep divisions in the russian military is also cast down on the authority of russian president vladimir putin. native hours are still trying to work out what it all means. serious. you a secretary of state antony blanket. it is generally subordinate that we've gone from a place where we were 16 months ago, where you had russian forces on the outskirts of team. they thought they would take the city in a matter of days. they thought they would erase you print from the map as an independent country to a place where we were this weekend where you had forces moving on for us as capital moscow, the architect and the wagner rebellion we have going in for goes and is now believed to have begun his exile in bella, roost as part of the deal supposedly brokerage by the countries leader, alexander lucas sango. although his exact location is still unknown. so what are for goshen plans and bella? ruth, and what's the future of his mercenary force?

bella rudy? an opposition leader and asked us what not to handle sky. i spoke to the double you about the uncertainty. we actually don't know what for gordon is going to do in the us. we have for the 2 cushion cause we legalize them. we will provide them with facilities, so it'd be the equipment with the know with the infrastructure. but of course people ask it with the people that are just good with us with this. and they were just imagine a weaponized people who are ex trinity roles. you know, we're going easily uh, in, in our citizen and villages. and of course it's a threat to the people. but i think this, this me still original over yet because the trojans family to put in and put him in his speech, told that to know she doesn't forgive me trace what it means in practice. we don't know. and so is what cushion cas full as well to put you on, she will fulfill all the order so which in the end, if let's imagine,

pretend gives him get focused on the order to uh, get the rent for board. i'm sure they'll till they increase president bloodwork. zalinski is also reacted to promotions. relocation to bell arose. following a meeting with the presidents of poland and lithuania, lensky confirmed that some wagner fires remained on russian occupied territory in the eastern new han screeching. but he set the security situation in the north, remained unchanged and under control. and with all of this going on in the background, ukrainian forces are trying to find momentum for their recently launched counter offensive. despite the deliveries of western military equipment, ukraine's territorial gains have so far, only been modest against what appeared to be well entrenched russian defences. for now, at least it seems. the turmoil and moscow has not had an impact on the battlefield . there is a lot to unpack and for that i can now welcome just in pump. he's

a military analyst and ceo of civil line, a, a consultancy firm based in the u. k. good to have you here. would it be okay to you throughout the war? many times via video link and it's the 1st time you're actually joining us here in the studio and what a time it is to have you here to, to unpack everything that's going on because it has been quite an extraordinary weekend. what do you make of? i'm really extraordinary and i think you've covered the events very well in the program. i think the big question that's outstanding and it's very much in social media today, is a split between people and, and i must say, i'm one of these who believe that this is what it appears to have been. it was a revolt. it was a meets me by developing a group, probably with some support elsewhere within the system. and it was cooled off following extensive behind the scenes debate, simple guy on drake se kalsich baby. but there is another school of thought being pushed by. lot of brushes both is, this is a coming plan to drawer out through things and amazing to maneuver the volunteer group to buy the risk and, and threaten new crime with the new front. and i think that's pretty far fetched,

but there's lot of debate round that and i think regardless whatever has monday, the 1st is going to have a real impact on the course of events. suddenly over the next few weeks, as we will try and make sense of it. yeah, we're trying to make sense of it and it looks like there was knowledge of what for goes and was planning. so can this really solely be blamed? pinned on him as a mastermind. well clearly looks like the russians themselves. definitely aren't just pinning it on him. um, now obviously it's a reports, but it's sort of the can. here's the combining german in the south. probably one of the best journals, the russians have, had sort of disappeared from view. there are no reports that he's been arrested. we're still waiting for more dates out on that, but that is the sort of thing we expect to use. rush, his thoughts to came house following this uncertain there were enough warnings, i think, from within the system in russia, the vault through unhappy. this was known that they would likely to do something. they've been stopped finding homes and equipment for quite a period of time. and i think either people let it go because they didn't know what

to do about it or because they wanted to see where this went. but i think it was a very uncontrolled situation. i'm a little concerned cuz it's about food and out. it's not entirely credible, so we feel there are other players here and facing this at the top of the regime. he's wanting control. i think he's become the figure head much more and there are lots of plans underneath that. probably saying what happens if the campaign new crime doesn't go well, what next off the boot. and so he's got to do with that situation. he's really out the front just as a big hit at this point. and that's what this shows. let's look at the war because precautions combatants were some of the most ruthless, but also the most effective forces that russia had at its disposal. what does it mean for the war that they are now off the battlefield? well, i mean, they were off anyway, they got pulled back off the back. that was captured the city itself. and i think the numbers were much reduced. there were lots of in place if it gets great round about how many they were, but you may recall they brought a lot of people have the prisons that were using a lot of people may assist kinda in florida. they had

a system where by the most elite people would stay back, the weakest people go to the front, and so the lead people probably survive longer live longer, but probably the people in the columns that had the most going south today. there's a few 1000 of them probably at this point, at most of the future remains unclear. they were told they have the choice of go into exile and brothers, or joined the army in russia. now i didn't think any of them would want to be in the russian regular army. otherwise i'd have joined us in the 1st place. and they may not be popular in the army because the army is very divided about with their supporting or against talking. so regardless of those, those forces and knology last i think the war effort, but it surprised perhaps the company's been willing to pay an exchange for getting rid of the political problem that this private army was developing for. yeah. what can ukraine do to seize the moment this chaos that seems to be going on in moscow or they've suddenly they jumped on this straight away and there wasn't enough time . i think of re okay. awesome the bit wherever the russians before to each other. so you're trying to make great gains at that point,

but they did push forward on the battlefield that day. and i think they knew that russian were all would be very hot by what was going on. of course, if that is close behind you, and one of your best fighting units is fighting other parts of your army. you didn't really want to waste your life in that situation. so you're trying to push on site today, they didn't gain some, some ground, but very times that they didn't have time to develop that situation. but of course now they're pushing very hard on the narrative that your brochure is failing. and i think more widely, you're trained, depends on west and support. and there was some fear as a heads of the conference values just on the 2 weeks when they tell you that the not give you credit and gains the battlefield might result in nations cooling for negotiations or something like that. i think now and it's right there in the us and others, i think the problem is inside russia have really in bold and the nation supporting you try and, and that's probably the most important single thing. yeah. you mentioned equipment supplies, logistics are a huge factor in this conflict. let's take a closer look at how big a factor that actually is and then keep talking

a key bridge for russian supply lines into southern ukraine. a russian weapons dump white from the map on the fuel depot in onyx, crimea, all targeted by ukrainian forces in recent weeks. oh, crucial. in the machinery of war, of the war and ukraine is all, uh, the water electrician and the water attrition becomes a water over logistics. historically, russia has relied heavily on its real network to move military cargo around. but inside ukraine destroyed, we a ways meant that wasn't possible leaving russia reliance on trucks to support frontline for one us military logistics. x that estimates that russia only has enough trucks and pass and now to support

a war effort up to 145 kilometers from supply dumps. earlier this month, russia's exasperated defense minister to the military storage facility and told his men to get to move on meticulously stage visits like this, a part of the partial of russia's domestic propaganda efforts to follow. the true test of multiple logistical mites will be exposed on the box, so feel to go sooner or later. indeed, and in this bottle of attrition and logistics, who allows the upper hand right now? the craters are russian versus long argued it does is a huge nation, had you'd stop pauses of soviet equipment. but of course the campaign to support ukraine has been sold. it, they receive pretty good donations of vehicles. clearly we've seen that another they've taken losses of those vehicles in defense of action, which you would expect the donations that getting through

a pretty much replacing those straight away. it'll take a little bit of time, but it's certainly making good losses. and i think we talked before about this thing and also hillary complex. and when you watched the footage, you see how much of this is the guns firing on targets and how important that is for both sides. and what's interesting in this phase is that ukraine has really focused its tension destroying rational territory. so whenever you credit the tax, they force the russians to fly the guns. when you follow your guns, you have to bring them out of the woods. you have to bring them out of southern, they're exposed to drones, they're exposed to other forms of attack. and if you look at the rates claimed by ukraine, you can all damp sleep numbers because they're always on certain. but the, the trend of claims now tend to be losses on the russian side by ukraine is definitely escalating. i think it shows the success they've had in that piece of this. and that's very important at this stage. the other part of making guns stop far and you use to make sure they have no munitions. and this is where these long the range strikes using particular storm shot i missed all but up as well. i'm happened very effective in reducing russian. i munition supplies for that role,

tillery, i'm, it will never reduce. absolutely, but it will helps, and it's this combined effort across the russian logistics and come on control layout. and so i'll give you credit and that will give the ukrainians and volunteers over time. if they can maintain the pace i'm, they've done this before. they did this exact same sort of campaign as far as hudson, and indeed to an extent outside keith, wherever you are. good now, and looking back on what happened over the weekend, all these chaotic events. there was a moment where the wagner group was in control of the military command center and rushed off on done. how much of a disruption can that cause to rush as military efforts, even if it was only for a couple of hours? i think so. i mean the most significant, other than that still is them are all the effects. and i think that that is a shock for the russian military. it's bitten by what they supported, the actual don't. and it's crates on certain confusion. and even that she walked into the mom post. they were pretty much unopposed, which tells you something in itself. and they allowed operations to continue under

their own sedation, but they tried not to fit into fear in any way with the, the, the, with the board it was going on. so i think that in itself was significantly it's a shot to that could be taken over as easily. and now of course, and also senior come on, does my think it's the uncertainty and that lots of come on the confusion about who's going to be in, come on, especially if the robot can is gone. that will really play the russian army for next few weeks. and ukraine will press all the not time. it will press hard, but how long can they press? because time is often said, is on russia assigned because they have a numerical advantage. wouldn't they benefit from this? becoming a very drowned out conflict study what russia once i think the one of the reasons that fighting for every inch of ground doing defense, you don't have to do that. you can give up ground, you can withdrawal troy your enemy out and counter attack them eventually, but rushes counts which i can straight away if they lose any ground. and that's very wasteful for us, so that losing a lot of troops needlessly doing that. and i think it's cause

a desperate to hold on to what they have. i think that's what it tells us. i'm hoping if they can just limit ukrainian gains that the sky west them back as of ukraine, that eventually drives to stop supporting you, trying to call for an end where things on now. so i think russia feels that can push the time. i'm not sure we're going to give way as quickly as most of the things, especially off to what's happened over the weekend. is natal doing all it can feel like i've asked you this many times we make is what doing everything it could, but it's doing an awful lot and it's getting a lot of things to crime what it needs. and the deficiency has been out. i'm one of the reasons this is hard going through ukrainians in the south is that lack of dominance on the russians doesn't have it always a, but it would suddenly be easier going for your crime to look more at cr off, which is why they've been asking for them, and one of the reasons they've been awesome for them so long it looks like they will eventually get them probably too late to help the campaign over the summer. but if things do extend that will start to really provide them with some help and

she goes better late than never if that was military analysts just in crumb. thank you so much for calling in today. thank or the united states, our, the migration crisis long brewing in the southern states has arrived at the northern border. tens of thousands of migrants are regularly crossed from the west into canada last year and march canadian prime minister adjustments, rudo. and he was presidential by and struck a deal to revise the so called safe 3rd country agreement. dfcs sto closing the border for asylum seekers. one of the main unofficial crossing points along the 2 countries, nearly 9000 kilometers border was rock some road and southern come back. it will be used currently nationwide went to see this role passed through the forest had truly become a debt at the border between canada and the united states is the worst longest unprotected international border there around 100 official ports of entry,

as well as many official crossings like this one at the border with the state of new york, where 40000 immigrants entered canada last year, an old time record. so this is the path that the migrants use to take to cross to canada. they would walk down this way. they would be processed over there at that facility, but now this is the limit. no one is allowed to cross. while official crossing points between canada and the united states are strictly regulated piley's installation called the safe 3rd country agreement. the other ones are a loophole in the regulation that email gets used to enter canada and claim asylum in march of this year, it was closed. and this is creating a bottleneck situation in the northern states of the us. like in portland, the largest city in maine were many immigrants or no trend. we've been sleeping here on the street for over a month. no one tells us anything. no one helps us. there's no room for us,

but we're can we go? what annoys but we all knew that there isn't a miracle i suppose to help. we're sleeping outside at the church. they always say come back tomorrow. we have kids for some with me florida. a huge challenge for the helpers like mike guthrie, who manages a couple of shelters in the city. it's very difficult. and it's, it's never great to look a family in the face and say, i don't know where you're sleeping tonight. especially when they've come to you for help. i and most of the immigrants here are from angola, comes on and t p. they cross the us mexican border. now they're stuck before. if you have 100 asylum seekers arriving here from the city of them of 40 wouldn't be crossing the boulder as towards canada. nowadays, the can't cross the border because it's closed. now the are for us to start with their process here as they have to stay the same location as a lawyer. model key,

bungie helps them to start the asylum procedure. he entered the us as a refugee and is now the president of the congo lease community in portland at the city hall. the major is addressing the crisis we've been trying to problem solve the issue of emergency shelter for quite some time. and we haven't for very sweetie housing for individuals, we need emergency shelter for the operation. so the fact that before us tonight is the combination of a lot of consistent worth today. they are voting on a new emergency shelter for 180 immigrants. the proposal past 8 votes to one, but not everyone is in favor. for what is it that really bothers me is my lack of privacy. i live on a dead end street. i have the woods behind me. i have a large backyard for my family and my animals. and i feel as though

a 180 people over there will disrupt and i will lose my privacy off my deck because it's sort of like that's what i see. a temporary solution. that once more deepens, divisions in the united states. i'm currently not familiar with all those report now joins me in the studio currently. no, so great to have you here. so at walk us through what happened here? what led to the closure of rock them road? yeah. what great to see you in a call. so um, this border, the largest unprotected board international border between 2 countries. the border between canada and the united states. they're different ports of entry, the official ones, and the unofficial ones broke some road isn't an official one and the agreement the safe, their country agreement. the one i talked about in the report was valid only at the official part ports of entry. so this created a loophole for the unofficial, a ports of entry where people seeking asylum could enter and do so in canada.

now of the safe, their country agreement has been extended to all kind of ports of entry so that it's valid everywhere. and canada, i can just turn the my way away and tell them you're not, you're not allowed to see us. have them here in canada. like some road is one of the unofficial points of interest and rights groups have ever since this, this was amended back in march, criticized that they asked in humane what are they saying? why are they so so critical that is very interesting to think is that the safer country agreement says that people speaking of title, i'm have to do so in the 1st safe country, they arrive at the human rights group say, well, this is not the case where the united states, they can be detained there, they can be deported. it is not a safe country for people seeking refugee. and so this is why they say that canada would be the 1st safe country where they should be allowed to claim asylum. and this is why they suit the canadian government, they through the canadian government and it went all the way to the canadian

supreme court, correct. what did the judges there? say? they said it doesn't go against international law. it's a, it's, it's, it doesn't go against the constitution in canada, and it will remain as it is as to the and by then agree to in march this year. so the saves their country agreement remains valid on all sorts of ports of entry between canada and the united states. and this, and this is a nice example of that, a member of the canadian government abroad. so this is like similar to trump's wall at the us mexican border and the sell them part in the southern border. this is also a kind of wall, but an invisible won't because it's really blocking any sort of of, of right for people to seek asylum in canada. yeah. you talked to people on both sides of the border. there's actually a longer version of that report that we just saw, and i can only recommend that to our viewers. but what did people tell you? why did they want to make the journey to canada and not stay in the united states?

well indeed, they don't feel really safe in the united states, not anymore the united states. it's not the country that a use be perhaps in the ninety's or eighties where people thought, okay, this is the american dream. i couldn't make a new life there. a lot of them, especially since trump and his immigration policies starting feeling secure on the us side. and this is why many of them a want to go to canada and canada once the once they used to be there and they were allowed to claim asylum. they had the right to work there, they had a health insurance. so the whole, the whole reality around being a refugee was just different. and this is why many of them are going now towards the north and part. yeah. and it's, it's been a story that, that you've followed for a really long time, right. my grand stuck in limbo and add ports of entry, whether it be the mexican border or now the canadian border. when joe by and came

to power, he promised a more humane treatment of migrant seeking asylum in, in the us. correct. where is this policy that he promised that is a very good question. that is what everyone is asking. because at the same time, i don't want to go into a title 42, that's a different row of the way through different rule. and it's valid for the cells are in part. but he, in a way, has also blocked the border from mexico into the united states and his humane and be great. some policy is more directed into fighting against the root causes of immigration, but means in central america and in mexico. but this of course have, might have, might, might so result in a long term, but not really in a short term. so his policy has migration policies are just not so different from the ones from the trump ministration. and this is why the human rights group in canada are saying the united states is still not a safe country for people seeking or g as curly eventually. thank you so much for

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