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as president even intervened personally, to no avail. there still is this error mister around this car. he reminded me of sir, who lives in columbia and drugs a lower. and so, you know, like pablo escobar, i would say that in all likelihood, he is an individual who exists the

he's a hunter, focused on a particular prey, the most unscrupulous arms dealer on the planet. my name's aaron arnold. i was a intelligence analyst at the f b i. the carly case was the most unique case that i ever participated in. i don't really recall any cases that reached sort of this level of sophistication and intrigue. the hunt is for offense to, among other things, was able to help iran obtain nuclear weapons and of whom there's just a single old photograph. this is a sort of another mystery of carly, why are there more pictures? are there videos? yeah, it's, uh, it's kind of rare this day and age to build a hide for so long without your photo being taken. aaron arnold left the f. b i for academia years ago. but this particular story has clung to him ever since. it

turned into one of these cases where, you know, after a day of trying to answer the questions you end up with was more now many investigators intelligence agency, operatives, and diplomats of all had the same experience as aaron arnold, the a suburb of washington. home to many of those responsible for planning america's wars and shaping us foreign policy. among them, the man was probably the 1st to pick up carl least trail my name is van van deepen. for about 14 years, i ran the office and the state department responsible for among other things missile nonproliferation. preventing the spread of tma missiles is among the

presidents, highest national security priorities. for years, he served as national intelligence officer for weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. and worked for the us department of state until late 2016. so through all that time, i had some level of responsibility for dealing with the carly problem, the, the carl lee problem. when us intelligence agencies going about their daily business of collecting communication data. first came across the suspicious transactions by a chinese businessman. no one suspected the dimensions that would eventually assume the that would have been in the early 2, thousands i think. every day, as part of my job responsibilities, i would be reading the intelligence reporting that came in overnight. and there would have been some, what we call, ron intelligence reporting, that would have,

you know, 1st mentioned the activities of carl lee in the us government soon realized they picked up the trail of a serial offender shipping material for the construction of ballistic missiles to iran. in breach of 2006 un security council sanctions on t, ron. he was pretty active and so you know, probably every week or 2 something would come up and as things came up, we would try to act on that. behind the scenes, they apply pressure the department of state, shared information on carl lees, shipment routes with the governments of other nations. so they could take is containers out of circulation when the ship discharged its cargo. sometimes, you know, something would come out of the other end of that process that you wouldn't, you know, put into play and watch develop. and sometimes you weren't able either cuz we didn't know enough or the intelligence behind it was so sensitive that we couldn't risk compromising it. you had to sort of sit back and let that one go. and so

within a few years, carl lee became the trusted supplier to the iranian weapons industry. the israel's, by agencies also stumbled upon carl lee at the turn of the millennium. they feared the business men from china could increase the range of their arch enemies missiles. with dramatic consequences for israel it was more than 20 years ago when v you renew is k for spine to north korea asking for besides too bike is in the middle school and it will very um, open towards the needs and they say we have here on the shelf besides my,

as many as you want to do any question was really interesting. what is the range of to me sense and when the newest korean told him that the range is 1000 kilometer the say, we don't. but if he's less than $1300.00, we don't need and we all want to do maps to see what the 3 hundreds we added to their capability. and it was really clear the is less than getting into the office the we've done about $32.00, a difference of 300 kilometers to potentially cause hundreds of thousands of states counties. this method will you heat, you keep so crowded. and those cues many

israel is regularly hit by smaller missiles. but partially due to car leaves shipments. the country came within range of iranian missiles that were at least 15 meters long, with a potential to carry nuclear warheads. one of the liver technical solutions included replacing steel with all you. many of the menu, installing bits are steering. this isn't making the warhead smaller and amending the stability of the aerodynamics elder, not suddenly. and you can shoot these. my cells are for 1500 kilometers by putting israel within range like the, the german federal intelligence agency, the b, n, d, british m. i, 6 and other secret services also began homing in on carl lee during the 2 thousands of the big wouldn't been long before we decided that we needed to try to figure out

a way to go to the chinese government. because if we really wanted to stop him, we had to somehow persuade the chinese government to do it. the initially, the us believed this approach would be successful. and so then we would start dialogue with the chinese government, providing them information about our lease activities and trying to you know, see if we could somehow both assist and persuade them to take action at the time. china is government had just changed its approach to weapons exports in the eighty's and ninety's proliferation from china was focused mostly on exports from nature, state ferns, firms, but clearly were connected and controlled by the chinese government. and these firms were selling complete systems to countries of concern. along with the chinese

economy. beatings influence grew. china presented itself as a responsible global power and endorsed several agreements aimed at preventing missiles and warheads from falling into the wrong hands. china definitely has international obligations to do something. i mean, they're a party to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. they have said that they are adhering to something called the missile technology control regime. so coming back to car lead, according to that regime, china is meant to be controlling missile related technologies of the type that currently is providing. as a permanent member of the un security council, china also supported the 2006 sanctions on iranian nuclear activities. but carly continued to supply t, ron every month, every couple of months as the information came in, you know, we would, you know, seek to what we called the marsh,

the chinese government about lee and his activities. and so there's a, you know, out of a very long history of us to marcia's, to the chinese complaining about lee and asking them to take action about in the white house at the time, george w bush, in 2008. his secretary of state stepped in personally condo. liza rice instructed her discipline, that's at the us embassy, and begging to ramp up the pressure. they were told to work on the chinese government to ensure its intervention and the case re sent several secret dispatches, heavily incriminating carl lee. they were concerning the supply of machinery for ms . l. construction and harmless sounding substances, such as aluminum and graphite. kind of feature the bones within those thrusters or some graphic these up which reach into this tale into themselves. exhaust gases, they splint changes, direction to produce simply so the miss ok. you can use the stuff coming from the

back to steer. it was only it's thought carly also supplied iran with a large number of gyroscopes. those copeland gyroscope is essentially the missiles premiums with sensory organs, the lower than the sale to determine where it's moving to the where is going. i was moving counter steer, custody on course, and of course flight carl lee appeared to be supplying enough of these for an entire arsenal of ms tiles. those are fine instruments that require careful calibration. you can see in the quantities that carly has applied and you have hundreds, hundreds of accelerometers, hundreds of actuators that have been supplied. so this is not one or 2 pieces that are on needs. this is something that they need for each and every missile that they're building. in 2009, brock obama's democrats moved into the white house. the new secretary of state

hillary clinton pursued her predecessors course and changed. after just a few weeks in office. she had her diplomats deliver a message to the chinese government. we strongly urge you to investigate these activities. signed clinton there are certainly lots of things that he's doing that are legal. in china, from our standpoint, there's plenty of domestic legal basis for the chinese to to take action. but for whatever reason they have the my name's adam kaufman. i started working in the manhattan district attorney's office in 1994. i was a street crime prosecutor starting with terry minor

crimes, working your way up until you're handling more serious in violent crime. i then went and worked in on narcotics bureau that prosecuted international shipments mostly coming up from mexico and south america truckloads of usually cocaine, sometimes heroin. after that, i found myself wondering what i should do. and i went and spoke with mister morgan thought and 2003, robert morgan thought with the district attorney of manhattan, he came from a jewish family that had fled germany escaping persecution. his father was us secretary of the treasury during world war 2 and creator of the morgan, the plan to turn germany into an agricultural nation. after the war, he supported the fledgling state of israel, which left its mark on robert morgan thought in 1961, his friend john f. kennedy appointed him district attorney of new york. he went on

to become one of the most influential figures in us, traditional history. we had a tremendous amount of personal courage. he wasn't afraid to take on difficult cases. he suggested that i joined this little bureau call investigation division central. it was a bureau that sort of handled mr. morgan saw as interest in international markets in the recognition of the place that manhattan played in global finance with wall street as a close neighbor morton thought set out to be more than just an attorney for manhattan. he saw himself as a prosecutor for international crime. manhattan's unique because we have so much of global finance passes through manhattan international wire games, international securities, so much international global business takes place within

a mile of the courthouse in manhattan. to morgan thought those was these investigators could hunt down any criminal whose money passed through manhattan, which happened when someone in the city made a dollar transfer. that meant the long arm of morgan reached into every part of the world. and he was not afraid to flex those muscles and to impose himself into international finance. were really very few district attorneys would be able to go one day, when the district attorney was well over 80, his path crossed carlise, morgan thought i had received a tip off fee of $1.00 of his secret contacts. it was probably around 2005. he called us into his office and he told us to buy tickets and get on a plane and had to israel the being told that we were gonna

go meet with is really intelligence officials. i had no idea what to expect the when the new york investigators arrived, they never heard of karl lee. all they knew was their boss was very worried about the country. his father had once supported. he viewed iran as a threat to israel, but he also had a view based on terrorism. he also viewed it as a threat to new york and to the citizens of new york. you know, coming out of 911 the, these were the years when the world found out about iran secret emissions to build a nuclear bomb. for israel, an ex essential threat. the reason for

a highly unusual meeting. i never heard of the local prosecutor going to meet with foreign intelligence services. that was something that i never heard of. you know, we're not the federal government. we weren't the c, i a, we weren't anyone like that. but for mr. morgan though it was sort of business as usual the these realities had an extensive program as you would expect focusing on around in w. m. d, and missile procurement. the foreign spy agency massage had been watching karl lee for a while. but china was one of israel's key trading partners and the government didn't want any open conflict with badging. so all of a sudden the new york prosecutors were in a room with the head of most od. i remember sitting in a meeting with my are the gone and mr. to gone, saying,

we don't want intelligence to sit on the shelf, we want to act against it. and i understand that mr. morgan's the feels the same way. and so we want to help you make cases if we can, that you can bring to expose what he ron is doing. and he said, we want to give you the tools and if you can use them, we want you to israel's massage, began secretly collaborating with us, prosecutors in regards to a mysterious businessman in china. they gave us some o billing information and the it was about carl lee, the to this day, the authorities believe he's here in one of ages, most important port city. it's about 1000 kilometers to the south of karl lee's home. a long day. not far

from the border with north korea, a metropolis, a millions that profited in the nationwide economic boom of the 1980s the at the time. the nation was opening up to the west. thanks to hans dang shopping. miles successor. p, set up special economic zones in china, where for an investment was possible. that's how dang, broad capitalism to china. the in 1984, he also may dial in a special economic zones. it's not possible to say precisely when carl lees family ended up there. despite meticulous research, no details of his youth exist. people that knew him didn't talk. the authorities

divulged nothing. as though issued with a blanket directive to remain silent. rumors and vague scraps of information are all we have to go on. it's thought he attended a school in dallas in named number 24, an elite school for the children of high ranking party officials. that wouldn't match the claim that carl lee is grandfather was a highly decorated colonel in the people's liberation army. it's also thought carl lee worked intermittently for the state, but it's not known in what capacity. one thing's for sure. he made full use of deleon's advantages. the port city is a great place to do business, legal, or otherwise the, you have a lot of foreign like us firms or european firms that have branches there that have fits and you factor things in china from an opportunistic point of view it's, it's

a great it's a great place if you want to be a proliferate, or because there are a lot of places to hide. the here in dallas, in a business, was registered in the late 19 ninety's. it's name lind, economic and trade company. according to the chinese companies register, carl lee's father league region had himself listed as the company's legal representative. on the 4th of june, 1998. this company was the seed for carl lees commercial empire. the israel east gave us some of the substance and content of certain emails that showed references to w. m d, and other materials for weapons procurement, missile production, things like that. the

we would work until late at night. we order and pizzas, fears and just work on this thing all the time. the prosecutors, we're in luck because in one particular aspect, carl lee had been extremely reckless. some of the email addresses were from us providers, hotmail, or yahoo, because they were in the us. there was a procedure to get access to this content of those emails from the email service providers. so we had a starting point and we had some very talented, tenacious prosecutors working on the case. and they just dug into the information they were making connections. what they found trumped all their findings. to date, the investigators stumbled upon in new or bold transactions and a seemingly impenetrable network of dummy companies. we found so many

channels of w. m. d, proliferation of money moving through different countries. he had a real global network. i remember that very well the, this mission was so fundamental, especially when we started seeing what was in the e mail simself, it became very real the road. we're the same company, the factory, the people as the previous to limped. the only difference is that the company's english name has changed to so you know, metallurgy and metals industry. he would email people and say, well, don't worry about us sanctions. i'm just going to change the name of my company. i mean, he was brazen in the emails. he urged his business partners into the fray. this is very important, he wrote, otherwise the money can be blocked like last time. there

were transactions between metallurgist all over the world providing material that carl lee would then provide to iran. and carl lee had to pay for those materials from us dollars. us dollar payments almost always clear through banks in the us and especially back in the early 2 thousands, most of those banks were in manhattan. so if the wire payment said carl lee or lee fund way, then yes, the banks would have stopped them. but if the wire payment and said the bright and shiny metal are just company, then there's nothing for the us banks to see. and the payment just goes through. that was the whole idea of carl lee in setting up all of these dummy companies. it was to full the us banks in the processing payments that otherwise would have been lost although he was hiding thousands of kilometers from manhattan.

investigators wanted carly to face trial in new york. the legal theory we came up with was that by sending the wire payments and false names, carly caused the bank records of the manhattan banks to have false information in falsifying records, falsifying the records of a business in new york state crime. and so all of this came down to the falsifying of business records of banks in manhattan. the after months of investigations, the indicted carly manhattan district attorney. robert morgan. tom announced a 118 count, indictment against a chinese citizen. the april 7th, 2009. was the press conference that we had to announce the indictment of carl lee.

it was the opportunity for mister morgan thought to show to the world that this chinese proliferate or was sending material to iran that was going to kill people. the he wanted an indictment that said china is providing w m d to iran. he wanted the world to sit up and take note of this. robert morgans all filed for the extradition of car a lease who was 36 years old at the time. the big question is, the chinese government no, after all chinese banks were involved in some of these transactions, chinese companies have long been accused of using shell companies in the united states, kitty pilgrim sienna, the but the chinese government appeared just interested in the extradition attempt. and kara lee was cautious if

thought he left china for business in t. ron on a direct flight. that way he wouldn't run the risk of being detained on a foreign stop over and delivered directly to the us the . ready i don't remember seeing his name in us documents. i'm thinking, you know, who is this guy? my name is james green, i'm a researcher king's college in london. how are i researched for the operation and arms exports on arms and bong is danielle solsbury is a researcher at the department of war studies. the academics maintain good connections with western intelligence agencies and are often interested in the same things. their specialty is digging up information accessible to anyone but found by

few when you start looking at these cases, a lot of information is kind of hidden in plain sight. um, so we, we used help from some chinese and english and really started exploring what was out there on the internet. the researchers use chinese keywords to come through commercial registers, customs, and core databases. in this way, daniel salisbury and his colleagues were able to shed light on carl lees network of companies from their based in london. we found that most of his businesses were linked to 2 addresses. the so the use you mention appears to be a launch office book in downtown dot in is not quite as close chrysler, but it is quite to has with all the floors and all that much in this is the administrative part of the operation. the working with our chinese linguists were able to find some pictures of the outside of the

building. got a sense for what it looked like and what kind of things could go on. yeah, a lot of businesses were registered the administrative functions and creating hiring people and my kind of things. and they made another discovery. one that totally changed their impression of carl lee. one of the companies, they were able to attribute to him had a website that it showed he wasn't just a dealer. you had a lot of product listings from various different types of graphite. we actually realized that the address out of town wasn't just a business address of the warehouse or an office, but it was actually the, the large crow flight factory really changed the scale of the program and online. and it was room kind of mind blowing discovery. the 50 of the satellite imagery, it's a pretty big place. i think online that it was facing about 80000 square meters. was quite difficult to verify exactly what's going on inside those buildings.

so with the factory company, these things are in china. it becomes a completely different kind of problem. following months of preparation, a fact finding mission to china itself in the city where investigators, by agencies and the london researchers believed carl lee was hiding. the, the, all the tracks left by the world's most wanted arms dealer converged in the city in dalia and as easy as if he left them. and many, many companies with a legend connection to carly are registered in dahlia does too, that we assume that if we were going to find them anywhere. and

that's where you'd be like when the pandemic began, china cut itself off from the rest of the world. the government expelled many foreign journalists and stopped issuing visas for short term reporters. the only way of getting closer to carl lee for this film was to call on those who were long term residents in china. in this case, christoph keyson and much he is putting a cruise the camera man the to begin their search for a single individual in a metropolis of 7 and a half 1000000 last year for all types of elf grove ones. because they have to type in the field a def who we test ourselves to visit many of the companies that are or were registered there and the, and find out what we can actually see. can also see can we talk to him, come on talk to might provide us with the next instead of clues in this puzzle laid out in front of us. good stuff on site seems to be eating visor. we find clues that

what does that to really verify his existence does ethic the borders for all because of time by the 1st building we visited was an office tower block, more or less than the center and all the info is good. boyd off because of the time is by king's college report, mentioned it as a presumed center where a carl least empire has very likely to be based out of our time. least call the police and paley on the sides. it's not the, the initial gotten hired in the past to car a lease companies are said to have rented a whole floor there by the 25th floor of this building is this good service? we took the lift up there. oh fun. the was the actually there in person duty have body guards, what he called the police at the end of the cord or

a surprise. it isn't the board isn't done. asked there were 8 officers in your apartment when it could be we knocked on every single door. i intended to interrupt or, and, and when no one had ever heard of the businesses registered to that building or during the month the, the trail led nowhere finished woods nations. the my name's thomas countryman, was a foreign service officer for a total of 35 years. from 1982 to 2011. i served in 5 different embassies overseas, at the united nations at the white house, at the pentagon, mainly focused on issues in eastern europe in the middle east. country man has served several presidents over his career when it came to

u. s. foreign policy. he was viewed as an old, rounder, with a keen eye for detail, but then from 2011 to 2017, was the united states assistant secretary of state for non proliferation. ensure the bureau of international security and non proliferation has a job that we described as keeping the world's most dangerous weapons out of the hands of the world's most dangerous leaders. the and then in that job, one of my important tasks was to constantly res, with the chinese government. our concern about the illegal exports of high tech material that mr. lee was working icing from china to the this building and beijing's diplomatic quarter played a crucial role here. the iranian embassy,

his usual means of contact was through the arabian defense at tashay invasion. the primary job of the rainy and defensive cache in beijing is to acquire technology those needed for a bronze military programs. when countryman took off his post, karl lee had already been doing business with a ron for a decade. the problem was that he had become, in essence, the most valuable member of the reign in ballistic missile team. so you can't say that his arrest would have ended the rainy and ballistic missile program. but we're convinced that it would have slowed it down significantly. the i spoke about him in every conversation that i had with chinese counterparts. we would often see each other at the same meetings in new york in vienna in geneva. but we also met in each other's

capital as in washington invasion. the case put a huge strain on relations between the 2 super powers, the sort of wash their hands of it saying hey, this is in china, this is some guy. but on the other hand, were incredibly put out a by a sanctioning chinese entity. so they sort of tried to have it both ways. and so you know, often times the, the rhetoric or get a little heated when it came to, you know, them being upset about a sanctioning chinese entities and including quarterly. but why was china doing nothing? the us had a hunch they thought carl lee must have had powerful allies within the chinese government. after public prosecutors in new york now the f. b, i america's most powerful investigative authority set its sites on carly,

i think that the scope and scale of his sort of operation really eclipsed any other type of case that the f b i was familiar with at the time the f b, i assigned an entire group of investigators, an analyst to work on the case of the chinese businessman. i rather not talk about sort of the specifics of like who and how many were working on those like any h r personnel issues or kind of off limits with the intel stuff. it can be in like a documentary, but partly was a major focus and something that was a priority investigation at the guy you know, for a number of years when roughly the 2014 timeframe natalie had karl's activities, you know, continued to develop and worse than but other options that other agencies were

thinking about pursuing started to be, you know, become in viable. so for example, would be sending agencies that would, you know, would like to try to prosecute carly in the us courts. and after a number of years, they sort of recognize that just wasn't going to happen. that did become clear that we had both an obligation and an offer security with the chinese government to press harder to get the chinese government to stop. mr. lee from exporting this technology to iran. at the time, china was on the brink of a new era. teaching thing took over the reins of power in 2012 for the west, a chance to shine a spotlight on the matter with carl lee. included a diplomatic approach to china that emphasized not only at my level, but at higher levels of the us government.

the name has gone to president obama. i'm also aware that president obama mentioned that name to the chinese, you know, specifically complained about it. unfortunately that did not result in any real change and carl's activities and behaviors. the u. s. government then launched a response of unprecedented scale in the case of an arms dealer. we had several meetings, sometimes at the state department, sometimes at the executive office building next to the white house. that's part of the white house by agencies investigating authorities and several ministries joined forces to plan a coordinated strength. there became sort of a carly blitz that was rolled out by the inner agency. and so you saw, you know, a us criminal indictment. you saw some additional sanctions including sanctions of

new types coming out, etc, etc. it included the legal pressure of the f, b. i so this is carlos mistake, that is illegal transaction. he used the american financial system. and so this was the lever that the f, b i department of justice had to pull and ultimately ended up seizing almost $7000000.00 of car lease money. you saw um, you know, a reward for his, you know, information leading to his capture. the us announced a $5000000.00 bounty for information leading to his arrest. much like drugs, lord el troppo for us. i'm up in lab and after his attacks on to us, embassies, you know, if you look at sort of averages, you know, you usually see, you know, 1000000 or so 5 is high and significant mean something. right? yeah, it's a lot of money. the

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