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more people than ever on the world wide in search of a pass in life. so why do i want to go back tonight and yeah, like, i don't have any reason. there's no reason that's nothing for me this. yeah, i believe something green is coming very, very soon on. we know when the story in for my reliable nice her migraines, wherever they may be, the this is where i grew up in the heart of the gods. do that on in the south of france,
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news in the tibetan buddhist community called okay, see i was one of about 60 children there. the that's me in the photo. i was 5 years old when my parents have banded me here in a place called shut to do so the my childhood was an endless cycle of praying and frustrating. i didn't see my mother for several years. i was subjected to beatings, food deprivation, and cold. some of the girls i grew up with went through much worse in the form of teachings and rituals that took years to be classified as rate the fall in the name of
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a religion that to westerners is above suspicion. the buddhism, the for being received the nobel peace prize. the this is not rights teachers did not have sex with students. the of
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the the the, my name is ricardo i now 40 years old. for 6 years i've been fighting to bring our former master to justice and court. lama couldn't zone all the spots, spots as belgians. he was one of the 1st westerners to establish a buddhist community in europe. he's a recognized teacher of tibetan buddhism along the
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. here we go, the today i'm the spokes person for 23 plaintiffs. and the case against lama comes on here. a plaintiff with telemundo, she now lives in the south of spain and declined to show up. he's on trial for exploitation of workers holding children hostage and sexual abuse the results. please be seated. yeah, so we'll continue with mr. mental. i'm assuming this goes to with whom do you wish to emphasize anything about the statements you've made? so the cdc was discussed because it just was until this case began to
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consume my mind over the last 4 years. and i had no idea about the definition of the sexual abuse, then addition installed on your x ray. and then why was it mounted by the idea that these girls, by daring to go public, could imagine because it might be ruined? 06, was it going to tweeze it? don't i decided we had to protect them? but if the thinking was told that if we protect those who are most vulnerable, and we tell our own stories and make a goal disclosure to the court, or it won't expose new ma'am, then the truce would come out to the new society. lovely to accept the the
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boys who went with your parents to shut to a disarray in the south of france. you will with your parents in the hall. yes, i have a wrong football and at some stage they left. was there any physical abuse? go ahead. i know most i got slapped most crazy, but i didn't think it was serious. much post makes it difficult, but i saw kids getting beaten in the stairwells. he'd be the best the most do not. but child smashed against the wall covered in blood. so can you call upon me i have many visual memories of violence seen here. she who could show any of the most uh, commercial. yeah. she said, how did you react to this file? and then i was afraid that maybe they were. you also given private lessons by mister spots? i think you do you have a question? well, he's the one on one. right? yes. that's going to prove it. can you describe to us the nature of these lessons? because there's nothing in the office. you say he began to summon me for private meetings when i was quite small,
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easy to home. this was in his room beneath the tower in my g 2, when he told me to go to a small tower just behind his apartment, he's about to move. this was in the evening discreetly so as not to arouse any suspicion or jealousy from bet. so i'm going to read receipt, that that's how he presented it. want me to present that, why it keeps. i have to go to this tower in the evening and wait for him. i think i'm going to bring my do a along just because i would be sleeping there for a few nights and i couldn't, couldn't be, she won't be on to i went up into the tower. the new taskbar came later in the evening. he says he sat down and prayed with me, his mom a p a. and then as i'm stage he began talking about spiritual energy. i'll see if i need to know how to use the future to, to, to high a, to see. and he touched my shoulders, saying that spiritual energy was coursing through my body, which i should be able to feel the feeling that he said i had to take off my
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clothes because they were blocking the energy goods, not bad at midtown domino. and i remember falling asleep in the tower because he didn't turn up the 1515 does. when he then i remember being woken up by him touching my private parts crew the best coverage best to, to jump on with to she already talked to you on. so, you know, you might need to recreate, told me to lie naked on the floor. you guys have to produce some sort of bomb and started applying it to my breasts functionally. so i'll fight, you know, they explained to me that there was a lot of energy in the sexual organs and breast with these because these were the major energy zones. g, is you quite a come up the lid so he began to, it seems to simulate them too high in order to transfer the energy spots, the lights that substitute enlightenment. he understood everything. see,
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so he was omnipresent. you're gonna know he knew what we were thinking and feeling the to be knew our past lives are good karma or bad karma. really hygiene you heard of best be was extremely generous because instead of living in nevada, she chose to live on earth to help us east and be in this awful place where everyone was suffering. she said she was doing this for us. he so so, so he ordered us to do things that may have seemed unfair or odd a little crazy or pointless. but we needed to follow his exact instructions to achieve enlightenment cms. i pulled out the results on. yeah. if was, if i understand correctly, the lama demanded blind obedience. we yes. if i was raped in this life, it was because i must have been a man who raped a woman in a former life and i'm give you my punishment was to relieve the experience as a woman to purge my bad karma lucky me and become closer to enlightenment, easiest thing, and 50 fortunately, they wanna see that's what,
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that's what he told you. we i'm describing what he told us. those moments dispatched his teachings well yes. the as a child, i remember seeing all the great masters of buddhism coming to meet all the spots. even the dalai lama visited him. however, during my investigation, i came across images that stunned me in the early ninety's. while we were suffering at the hands of all of us spots, a meeting was arranged between the dalai lama and buddhist masters in the west. they spent hours talking about sexual and financial abuse within buddhist communities. so well that spots was not an isolated case.
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the, i can't remember the exact numbers, but i think there was something like 25 west and board as teachers from different traditions. we met with the dalai lama, i think about 7 or 8 times over 3 days. we move on to the conference.
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the guy with the died on the receiving letters from on the happy women, mainly who complained to him as the head of the church that they had been mistreated by the tibetan teachers. it is, i'll send you a teachers in the us and in europe we're concerned about the growing number of sexual and ethical scandals that were coming to light on the 6th grade. it's something needed to be done. it who 2nd it was i have received many letters from women, many women saying please, what can be done? do something or i also received a, this is, i'm glad to say about disadvantage as a sexual talk. each of these things to the every,
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every effort for me to stop as i understand of the situation and how the down the present. here we have to discuss we just said, this is not right. the teachers are not handsets of students. but if your holiness could join in on that kind of statement, it would give enormous power to it. it would help enormously good media. they don't, they don't tell people to do this. i, i haven't shopped, teachers won't listen. maybe the teachers were having sex and drinking. they may not listen to the students. now listen, now listen to you. that will help tremendously. then people can say no say
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no. because you're giving a stand. which people trusting right? towards the end of this meeting, the suggestion was that we write an open letter in which we would present what we had reflected upon and what we had decided and hopefully arrive at some kind of resolution from march 16 to 191993. a meeting was held at dunham sila, between his holiness, the dalai lama and a group of 20 west and on the teachers by was charged with the rising out of the texas. and then of this led to the i read it is paper back to his already knows engine issues. in recent years,
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several asian and west and teachers have been involved in scandals concerning sexual misconduct with the students. students should be warned against the dangers of folding prey to christmas exalted titles exoticism. instead of fighting these points, the response represented them as some sort of consensus. ok arrived at the answer well we uh maybe we should say there's maybe we should say that other voice is also amongst the group suggested changes and so forth. and we arrived off for
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a couple of hours at a text that we were all happy to put on names to. thank you. thank you. and then the dalai lama said, 1st of all, we have to pass this matter through his private office. and then nothing happened for weeks. there was no response, there was nothing. and eventually it did come back to me and the others. and the only thing that's a changed was the dell, as long as name had been removed as a signatory. the or in my childish eyes, the dalai lama was the embodiment of benevolence. why didn't he intervene?
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i realized he was not only a spiritual guide. he was also a political leader. his priorities lay elsewhere. the also going to know the engine. additionally, the central think go you don't need a more recent than his gloves. you did exceed those on tv. those are designed for him to know that they both got those. the him that among the my name is tending did i soaked in the office of certain this for with for to some to use the game i will go
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to bed by now is about 6 years 1959. so in this, the thought i might came into india along with thousands of to bed the and then would the delilah i'm on there was this whole government sort of set up the continued farm to bed the 60s use at the time when this sort of this made up is to lead us for the issue of debate to be discussed in the united nations. so we had all these letters to be type for the heads of these countries. but i remember typing many n because we didn't have computers. oh, it was terrible. one mistake did go to whole thing again,
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died not connected to that. and the way it goes, it is, it was actually a very exciting moment. the dalai lama is both a political and a religious figure to her when there's always been a political dimension, especially at the beginning when they arrived from tibet more in exile, just say only is that they were driven out. you know, if it's a 100, because so many of them died in don't keys, okay. even though they reached india and had to find their place if they needed allies, the rate from the early times, but situation to a very difficult month to bed and syndic side. i'd take any kind of help, you know, from outside was very welcome. they needed support us
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from western countries the just in a good english or do they want to go or they want to explore. they want to find things you know is very interesting. in the initial stage it was mostly the hippies who are not interested in production but this to go to new places and it's you know, go up to his shoes and let's deal with things like that. but then some of them have also, you know, inquisitive mind so then gradually listen to the c b and more and more, you know, for those who really wanted to explore and find out the tourism, go to the intervention producing
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i am the director of this institute called the library of division, logs and archives. the origin, the idea of establishing this is digital, this position for motion and dissemination of dividend. go to the losing of the quest for truth wisdom, knowledge and myself is how that as the states, i realize that in the west who owns that, we don't think about ourselves and aren't properly aware of ourselves as you all. the townsend isn't the only thing that makes it more focused on the external. you one all to see one cars, power money on the television,
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illinois. we want to travel always. we're always looking outwards, but never what's happening inside of us on the us. probably know the candidates for that sort of jump, but we're at least we're represented that was we were a channel into the world i the world that they now found themselves in the for many who maybe even just studied or had contact with directors for a year or 2 on the not too long. it was enough for them to have some kind of a close feeling for the tibetans. and once the left i'm still out or in board, but i just, i'm down in the center. awesome. but support group back
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in my parents day, buddhism was really becoming on vogue. the ones that don't really would use the civic when he comes to the sees it needs to be if it makes us both of these and all paid all set for this, you also need to come to them in the groceries dc. to do more to stipulate or that conversation you should use to disclose the 12 ways for you, or did you like a voice from your the most you don't to do with the some of the bit sick. i'm senior richard bay on the top. it says if to bed due to having been physically expelled from its homeland, has managed thanks to the dalai lama is to create what i would call a virtual de territory allies to bed. easy, the dates, monasteries, and tibetan buddhism centers around the world constitute a kind of prefect to acting on behalf of the virtual to bed. spread all over the
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globe space. also, i'm going to, the of the, you know, the quote, you know, he's suddenly realizing that he could link the political, spiritual, and cultural dimensions and safe tibetan culture through the spiritual desires of west. and this is actually also using those desires to put political pressure on china for digital solution. will you please enter that? told you and received the nobel peace prize for 1989. we did go in the middle
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and the, the, the, when this awards happen, made it easier for governments and other organizations to say that, you know, create inviting historians. this is an open already the, the tibetan branch is a minority among but it's, but it's the most successful, the export it, it's success is mainly due to the dalai lama. so in just a few years managed to achieve iconic status. everyone in one of their photo taken with the tibetan liter bill clinton. chuck, she rock and movie stars. like richard gear the the cases of abuse. multiply that support for the
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tibetan cause spread around the world. the i'm one of the few journalist school has focused exclusively on abused by buddhist for a long time. so people approach me constantly . every 2 or 3 weeks, someone approaches me about some abuse somewhere in the world. sometimes those people have been abused themselves. sometimes they have been witnesses to abuse and they tried to involve me in their case the soviet rainbow, che, is a one of the biggest abuse or symbolism over the years i think. so you
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may have hundreds of victims just by, you know, abusing them physically and sexually. and i'm not even including people who were worked until the drops for nothing. this has been going on since the mid 19 seventy's until the late 2000 the implant 10. so that's a long period of time, the 10th and the good news to the 20. so what can be done if someone within this assistant really stop, it's the most secure link. but see if i'm able to beat music.
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i've lived in the west for many years now, and the seasonal c though is only the most economical, fully, congestion, v c value, special thing. so in the photo, would these move to mid? so may just say people don't send you that such as that. i'll send you more to but i just stated this item that i thought because if i do see more to say the to be doing amendment, terrorist, i was at a large conference attended by 60 to 80 people. so you know that you and there was a young lama there called the sociology, written, pushy type hard. yeah, it could be still very good english. and it was very dynamic and aggressive when it came to the acceptance of materialism, that the failure of western society and its quest for happiness the she can do to assist you to if she's on that and also i will share with you. but now if you, what are the visual spewing today, does it exist?
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so he had a spiritual vision of existence that was very committed to cost, very practical, very connected to the modern world, which was pretty amazing at that time. paul. yeah, it's ok. the preschool weeks probably on there, i happen to speak english. i was offered a job as a translator and interpreter working for so gal, rim, bushy, and other law must to see if one thing led to another. and i became president of rick by france off the so hill at some point and wrote a book, or at least had a book written for him. and the dalai lama wrote a for to the book. so the book became a best seller. and those tiny organizations grew bigger and bigger.
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so this is how a small time tibetan guy, bills and them are all over the world. anyone interested in spirituality is familiar with the tibetan book of living and dying. the, the, like many people i was fascinated by it and intrigued by its author of the book was a huge success in the english speaking world when published in 1992 and a year later in french, german and other languages. a lot. yeah. hundreds of people began coming to the center. so you're going to do some really big centers developed in 10 or so countries, the us various western european countries, australia, india. now that probably then branch of spring up and other countries could be
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figurative. okay, i'll rep or she has a great entrepreneur how i might fairly excellent start up king of tibetan buddhism to build the reason a tv time on there were different types of people getting different types of treatments during retreats, the normal students and retreats. since we're told that the right way of living is a life where you renunciate material goods the and then there was the life of the in a circle on the line last. and the v i piece which was one of the luxury good for. so there was a big discrepancy between the students in which they were who were told
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to live in a sense, to love sri i, i saw on the other side, the men and women in the unit on have the task that was taken care of. so we all and it was clear that the most beautiful girls were with him almost day in like the yet i accepted that they were in there with out asking myself the question if they had, for instance, other relationships with these girls were colton. ducky needs,
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the e debt, can you find that he needs to be available to attend to any need at any moment for the 247, whatever he did during the day he had to have assistance to fit. always looked at the foot of his bed for a few hours, though in the early months i only slept 2 hours a night in the premium where the domain does have found me. a levia swab the needed to go to the bathroom or to each one corner or for us to scratch his back and that he never washed alone. he had help with all these tasks. he didn't do anything on his own now. and if i'm not slowly but surely i understood that the beautiful women around sylvia were having sexual relationships with him. the
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she did she's, it's hard to use the word rape because it immediately puts me in the role of a victim. and that's difficult to accept a key key you up of to your, you know, about something about it was on, but yes, it was right. so he was a heavy old man with the authority of you who would lock the door and force his way and make threats. yeah, he samples, it came in us to to get a quick m a g. so yeah, i'll explain very clearly to me on the edge of his bed that if i told anyone that keeps us including girls, then i would break the somebody up between us because i know somebody. yeah. you
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know me. no clue. yeah, sex taking the sacred bond and the voucher fidelity and loyalty to my master. i assume that it could, it would have terrible comic consequences for me and my loved ones push the consul general. do more. when silvio asked his disciples, in particular female disciples to become concubines, or to have sexual relations with him, professor mckinney, we shouldn't see this as a departure from buddhist nor in the hospital. i know not to produce my social is not existed. these things exist in tibetan tundra and buddhism, duty of hindu origin. they exist in their text. speaking of these sexual rituals, extra and ego, there's also a notion of skillful means by y'all or upper us can sit on the can, according to them in order to convert someone to buddhism, a teacher can employ all means possible for you to do more including violence and
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lies the computer mess up the service a key, evans, i knew about rulers relating to shell game true. so get a role model for so guy that these numbers had these women and were with him all the time. oh, he's having the issues on campus. i had read a bit about what was happening. okay, but i had no idea about you and what you'd experience i pub, how may i ask after the 1st incident with sylvia?
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i was totally shocked. i'm sure k a today is, is i just all my horrible and, but i did know what had happened to me and what to make of it is the pause. and of course i remember that i've been strictly forbidden from talking to anyone. david keeps as well if on the, during the less than talk by so gail, i ran into the gall control in the courtyard. deadly interrupting the cool. i didn't, i didn't use a tibetan teacher. another in the same kind of style as so, you know, he's very open to the western men speaks english looks gone, communities, long neck here. a kind of modern, westernized core room, down there. okie, nobody. is there any notice for i had a question for him in the show, and in tears wasn't i asked him what it meant to be a consort concubine for a
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uh, a elements. there was a moment of silence and pre fully understood why i was crying a my son from all that he simply replied, since that it's a really great opportunity to have this kind of relationship with a teacher don't call so again, it's a case of a teacher being witness to suffering and completely ignoring the issue. so call it here just to confirm that this was a circle as well. that's very consistent with what i read elsewhere and what happened in tampa. and so goes entourages. okay. the
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i had always wanted to be a non, since i was a little girl the but i didn't really believe in christianity, so i couldn't see how i was going to be a non, but i always knew i was going to be then i realize that that the time i was, the most important thing in the world is which isn't you have to see the object of your devotion as completely pure. but the problem comes that it also puts all the power in the hands of the group. and totally does in power as the student is to go is not perfect, then giving them everything is very dangerous. his holiness had said
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that if we told him who the lamas were and what specific he would make sure he did not visit those places. so he's still visited this deb, i gave them legitimation for many of us. we felt with some of the trial but it wasn't just the dalai lama who was cited as a guarantee in our lawsuit against go to all the spots. i discovered that all representatives of tibetan buddhism were used to guarantee the credibility, the,
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your honor, i have some photos to show the witness. the police, what can you comment on this photo and data if we don't see the dalai lama on a visit to brussel smaller 11. but i mean, did he express himself in english on the english to come translated the dalai lama, his words mister spots. but who was seated next to him? okay. and he translated everything with yes, i was sitting opposite office where we're sending out the tampa in brussels. and this is much too much yearly call
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with mr. spots, and the suspects has been garb jamel and pushy. and i don't know who that is amongst who was accompanying him to me. from the such a monastery, please. yes, from the shuts in monastery. 6, west ministers. it's clear that mister spots is always surrounded by individuals who are recognized within the buddhist religion. which is acknowledged most as whose authority cannot be challenged to delete this isn't the sort of absolutely not. okay. it just completely and even in the 1st thing we were able to earn, we have to donate not just to recap, uh, but as an offer into your teacher who is worth more than anything. and there is nothing more precious than him. the liaison people hate to go to conferences and retreat sites. i pray on my review were told it was a moment that had to be properly valued. and why you had to put money in the box in
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cash if possible. on glasses, there were ceremonies where gifts were given you in particular to so yeah, i think i do. you could give jewelry or whatever you want it, the hours a month i carry like 60000 years and called into daily the it's definitely like a mafia. if you're going from anywhere to india or it's in the poll, then they want to know and they actually actively seek that information during retreat. you could help so be all by taking some luggage for him. and i just carry the super hot jacket, like a leather, not shiny leather,
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like suede care. so i'm scared to take off sucky. okay. would phone mean so you have it. okay. don't lose it or you if you lose it and come back i was good. when i went through the, the customs thing was money from donated by students at a retreat. it was for buildings in the monastery which is up in the mountains. the only loan that visited europe in september 2018 the i and some other victims seized the opportunity to arrange a meeting with them in
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a suite on the top floor of this hotel recorded the conversation the just using your image. yes and they are using these in court and there should be some trial as a way to legit you might just center this has to stop. you have to do something at least one less than jesus. uh would hold responsibly to what am i so the no
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the during the interview victim told the dalai lama about her experiences with a girl who is still act of the
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serious sense of discipline. yeah, but it sounds like it did a lot to me in the girls and i'm kind of thought i mentioned to them as a 54 year old tibetan lama to fled to europe. 20 years ago. it was said previously has several centers around the world, including one in southern spain. but i'm the 1st who didn't use sure. sandra. data, information. not. yeah. so now we need to
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do this. i wasn't the only one that happened to my people. my many lamas in the west found themselves in the same situation. joe, or i'm going to let you all know that the that there, there linda, your, i don't blame is holiness for what he did on direction, but it just to death. we have very good relations and i completely understand his response yet i'm going to use this on the go to budget. and with regard to the dutch woman who spoke to his holiness and you have what you mean. i know her, she's one of my students. and most she followed me for many years, but i thought it as i thought she had some devotion to me and me more. i'm not thinking about it now. and then, and i believe she was in love with me, that in as genuine youth that only because the modem is using drawing the guidelines. so it isn't for us into bed. if a woman loves a lama, she says to him, i love you because ask of me what you will. i chose. i got an alarm or replies either yes or no, or kind of go in the west. it's not like that on a well,
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i'm not doing it in the, in some of them is, you know, showing it to him and she will try to find another way behind his back. she'll probably have that doesn't work. she becomes angry and goes to court and talk to you in about 10 minutes it was ended, it turned to be at asia. on the left, the associate though i'm not under. i certainly in the past and i made many mistakes with regard to the way i spoke to courtney law and interacted with students. hallmark which tells you about the rock and the this was because i wasn't familiar with how western societies think new mobile eulogy. and there are many different practices in tibetan buddhism where, cuz she, it's jessica with lemon and some of them do not conflict with the law, pen, tulsa, and are very beneficial in to meet you to a. it is absolutely necessary that these are taught the unit. on the other hand, some are incompatible with the times and the place we live and do not fit the
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western mentality on the new single me the monroe, the despite a lawsuit in switzerland and several communications to his office, the dalai lama did not respond. naca is still teaching tibetan buddhism, the in 2020. the court of appeals sentenced to pull that sponsor to a 5 year suspended prison sentence and financial reparations for his victims. p appealed to a higher court the shuttle due solely continues to welcome visitors. and the ok see organization has
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