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the in a tibetan buddhist community called okay, see i was one of about 60 children there. the that's me in the photo. i was 5 years old. one of my parents abandoned me here in a place called shut to do so that my childhood was an endless cycle of praying and frustrating. i didn't see my mother for several years. i was subjected to beatings, food deprivation and cold. some of the girls i grew up with went through much worse in the form of teachings and rituals that took years to be classified as rate the fall in the name of

a religion that to westerners is above suspicion. the buddhism, the for being received the nobel peace prize. the this is not rights teachers did not have sex of students.

the . my name is ricardo. now 40 years old. for 6 years, i've been fighting to bring our former master to justice in court. lama couldn't zone all the spots spots as belgians. he was one of the 1st westerners to establish a buddhist community in europe. he's a recognized teacher of tibetan buddhism along the

in the here we go. the, today i'm the spokes person for 23 plaintiffs, and the case against lama crimson here. a plaintiff, which he called him, and he now lives in the south of spain and declined to show up. he's on trial for exploitation of workers holding children hostage and sexual abuse the results. please be seated. yeah, no, no, we'll continue with mr. mental the shipment. this coast with the boom it's, do you wish to emphasize anything about the statements you've made? so it was

a fairly easy was discussed because it just was until this case began to consume my mind over the last 4 years. and i had no idea about the definition of sexual abuse, then addition installed on your x ray. don't. why was it mounted by the idea that these girls, by daring to go public, could imagine because it might be ruined? 06, was it? the quantity tweeze? it don't, i decided we had to protect them, but a, the thinking was told that if we protect those who are most vulnerable, and we tell our own stories and make a goal disclosure to the court, or it won't expose new ma'am, then the truth would come out to the new society lovely to accept the the

boys who went with your parents to show it to a disarray in the south of france. you will with your parents in the hall. yes. a long hold on and at some stage they left. was there any physical abuse? go ahead. i know much. they got slapped anymore. it's crazy, but i didn't think it was serious. much post makes it difficult, but i saw kids getting beaten and the stairwells you the best the most do not. but child smashed against the wall covered in blood. so can you call upon me? i have many visual memories of violent scene here. you could show any of the commercial here. she said by apple. how did you react to this 5 minutes to didn't i was afraid that maybe they were you also given private lessons by mr. spots? i think you do you have a question? well yes. one on one way. yes. that's going to prove it. can you describe to us the nature of these lessons? because there's nothing in the office. you have cannot say he began to summon me for private meetings when i was quite small,

easy to home. this was in his room beneath the tower inmate g 2. when he told me to go to a small tower just behind his apartment, he's about to move. this was in the evening discreetly, so as not to arouse any suspicion or jealousy from bet. so i'm going to read receipt. that's how he presented. it. want me to present that why it keeps, i have to go to this tower in the evening and wait for him. i think i'm going to bring my do a along just because i would be sleeping there for a few nights and i couldn't, couldn't be, she won't be on too. i went up into the tower. the new taskbar came later in the evening. he says he sat down and prayed with me, his mom a p a. and as i'm stage he began talking about spiritual energy. i can see if i need to know how to use the future to, to, to high a, to see. and he touched my shoulders, saying that spiritual energy was coursing through my body, which i should be able to feel the feeling that he said i had to take off my

clothes because they were blocking the energy. i'm good, not bad at midtown, don't you know? i remember falling asleep in the tower because he didn't turn up the 15 but couldn't do anything. i remember being woken up by him touching my private parts to the best coverage best did it don't plan with to she already talked to you on so you know, you might need to include told me to lay naked on the floor e s q produce some sort of bomb and started applying it to my breasts functionally . so i'll fight, you know, they explained to me that there was a lot of energy in the central oregon's and breast with this because these were the major energy zones. g is you're going to come up the lid so he began to, to simulate them too high in order to transfer the energy spots, the lights that substitute enlightenment. he understood everything. see,

so he was omnipresent. you're gonna know he knew what we were thinking and feeling . god forbid he knew our past lives are good karma or bad karma. you leave. hygiene you heard of best be was extremely generous because instead of living in nevada, she chose to live on earth to help us east and be in this awful place where everyone was suffering. she said she was doing this for us. he so, so, so he ordered us to do things that may have seemed unfair or odd a little crazy or pointless by you. but we needed to follow his exact instructions to achieve enlightenment cms. i pulled out the results on. yeah, if was, if i understand correctly, the lama demanded blind obedience. we yes. if i was raped in this life, it was because i must have been a man who raped a woman in a former life and i'm give you my punishment was to relieve the experience as a woman to purge my bad karma lucky me and become closer to enlightenment agency and 50 fortunately,

they wanna see that's what that's what he told you we i'm describing what he told us. those moments dispatched his teachings. what, yes, the as a child, i remember seeing all the great masters of buddhism coming to meet all the spots. even the dalai lama visited him. however, during my investigation, i came across images that stunned me in the early ninety's. while we were suffering at the hands of a little best spots. a meeting was arranged between the dalai lama and buddhist masters in the west. they spent hours talking about sexual and financial

abuse within buddhist communities. so well that spots was not an isolated case. the west and board. his teachers from different traditions. the we met with the dalai lama, i think about 7 or 8 times over 3 days we. he was very generous with his time.

he was very generous with his time. under the trouble of the conference. the guy with the died on the receiving letters from on the happy women night late, who complained to him as the head of the church that they had been mistreated by the tibetan teachers. it is, i'll send you a teachers in the us and in europe we're concerned about the growing number of sexual and ethical scandals that were coming to light on the 6th. it's something needed to be done. it who 2nd before was i have received many letters from women, many women saying please, what can be done? do something or i also received a, this is,

i'm glad to say about 600 each of these things to go through every, every effort for me to stop as i understand the situation for the list of done that under the present. here we have to discuss we just said, this is not right, the teachers are not handsets of students. but if your holiness could join in and that kind of statement, it would give norm us power to it. it would help enormously good media. they don't, they don't tell people to do this. i, i haven't shopped at the teachers won't listen. maybe the teachers were having sex and drinking. they may not listen to the students. so now

listen. now listen to, you know, tremendously then people can say no say no, because you're giving a spend, which people trusting right towards the end of this meeting, the suggestion was that we write an open letter in which we would present what we had reflected upon and what we had decided and hopefully arrive at some kind of resolution from march 16 to 191993. a meeting was held at dunham sila, between his holiness, the dalai lama and a group of 20 west and on the teachers. i was charged with the rising out of the

texas and then of this led to the i read it is paper back to his already nice issues. in recent years, several asian and west and teachers have been involved in scandals concerning sexual misconduct with the students. students should be warned against the dangers of folding prey to christmas exalted titles, exoticism one. the citing these points uh there was some response representing them as some sort of consensus. okay. arrived at the and say,

well we maybe we should say this maybe we should say that other voice is also amongst the group suggested changes and so forth. and we arrived off for a couple of hours at a text that we were all happy to put on names to take you through it. and then the dalai lama said, 1st of all, we have to pass this matter through his private office. and then nothing happened for weeks. there was no response, there was nothing. and eventually it did come back to me and the others. and the only thing that's a changed was the dell, as long as name had been removed as a signatory. the or in my childish eyes,

the dalai lama was the embodiment of benevolence. why didn't he intervene? i realized he was not only a spiritual guide. he was also a political leader. his priorities play elsewhere. the also going to know the engine. additionally, the defense of pick go you don't need a more recent than his gloves. you did exceed those on tv. those are designed for him to know that i didn't get to see him that i eat among the my name is tending. did i soaked in the office of certain this

fall or with for to something use the chemo go to bed by now is about 6 years 1959. so in this, the thought i might came into india along with thousands of to bed the and then would the delilah i'm on there was this whole government sort of set up continued farm to that. the, i remember the sixty's use that time. brandon, sort of this made a b as to where lead us for the issue of debate to be discussed in the united nations. so we had all these letters to be type for the heads of these countries. but i remember typing many and because they didn't have computers or, oh, it's

a terrible one mistake. take out the whole thing again, die. not connected to that. any way indoors. it is. it was actually a very exciting moment. the dalai lama is both a political and a religious figure. yes to her when there's always been a political, as i mention, especially at the beginning when they arrived from tibet more in exile, just say or is that they were driven out. you know, if it's a 100, it's a book to so many of them died. it don't exactly even though they reached india and had to find their place if they needed allies, the rate from the early times. but situation to a very difficult month. veterans index side, i'd take any kind of help, you know,

from outside was very welcome. they needed support us from western countries. the just in a very inclusive do they want to go or they want to explore. they want to find things. you know it's very interesting in the initial stage it was mostly the hippies who, who are not interested in production but this to go to new places and that's you know, go up there has shoes and let's deal with things like that. but then some of them have also, you know, inquisitive mind so then gradually listen to the c b and more and more, you know, for those who really wanted to explore and find out the tourism,

go to an individual position. i am the director of this institute called the library of division logs into our pipes, the origin, the idea of establishing this institute of this position for motion and dissemination of dividend go to i use enough the quest for truth wisdom, knowledge and myself is how that is that i realize that in the west who owns that, we don't think about ourselves in our properly aware of ourselves as you on the townsend isn't the only things that we're focused on the external one,

all to see one cars, power money on the television, illinois we want to travel always, we're always looking outwards, but never what's happening inside of us on the us. probably know the candidates for that sort of jump, but we're at least we're represented that was we were a channel into the wider world that they now found themselves in for many who maybe even just studied or had contact with directors for a year or 2 on the not too long, it was enough for them to have some kind of a close feeling for the tibetans and once they left i'm still out or in board,

but i just i'm down in the center. awesome. but support group back and my parents stay. buddhism was really becoming on vogue. the ones that don't really use the civic when he comes to the sees it needs to be of them. it does a lot of these and all paid off if you also need to come and see them at the groceries to see, to do my best. if you have any tool that comes with the price and you said this was on $12.00 white white, who did you like it? the civilians wanting the most of them to do. would you submit to the 2nd senior litzy? they only thought it's as if to bed due to having been physically expelled from its homeland has managed thanks to the dalai lama this to create what i would call a virtual de territorial lies to bed. easy, the dates, monasteries, and tibetan buddhism centers around the world constitute

a kind of prefect to the acting on behalf of the virtual to bed. spread all over the globe space. also i'm going to the, you know, it doesn't cool. now he's suddenly realizing that he could link the political, spiritual, and cultural dimensions and safe tibetan culture through the spiritual desires of west. and this is actually also using those desires to put political pressure on china for digital solution. will you please enter that told you and received the nobel peace prize for

1989. we did go on levels and the, the, the, when this awards happen made it easier for governments and other organizations to say that, you know, create inviting historians, groceries that know been already the the tibetan branch is a minority among buddhists, but it's the most successfully exported its success is mainly due to the dalai lama, so in just a few years managed to achieve iconic status. everyone in one of their photo taken with the tibetan liter bill clinton. chuck,

she rock and movie stars. like richard gear, the, the cases of abuse. multiply that support for the tibetan cause spread around the world. the i'm one of the few journalists who has focused exclusively on abused by buddhist for a long time. so people approach me constantly every 2 or 3 weeks. someone approaches me about some abuse somewhere in the world. sometimes those people have been abused themselves. sometimes they have been witnesses to abuse. and they tried to involve me in their case, the soviet rainbow, che, is

a one of the biggest abuse or symbolism over the years, i think. so you may have hundreds of victims just by, you know, abusing them physically and sexually. and i'm not even including people who were worked until the drops for nothing. this has been going on since the mid 19 seventy's until the late 2000 and then plant 10. so that's a long period of time, the, or the 10th and the good to be done within this

a system. i don't really stop. it's the most secure link. but see if i'm able to beat music. i've lived in the west for many years now. i the see, so look, see though, is always the most likely next hopefully congestion v c value, sufficient thing. so in the photo, would these move to it? so may just say people don't send you that such as the last thing you want to, but the, i just stated this, i think i thought because if i you see more to say the to be doing amendment terrace. i was at a large conference, attended by 60 to 80 people, so you know that you and there was a young lama there called the sociology, written, pushy type hard. yeah. it could just go very good english. and it was very dynamic and aggressive when it came to the excess of materialism, that the failure of western society and its quest for happiness the she can do to

assist you if she's on the bed on south shelby. but now it'd be what i didn't, visual spewing today, does it exist? so he had a spiritual vision of existence that was very committed to cost, very practical, very connected to the modern world, which was pretty amazing at that time, paul. yeah, i think okay, the basically expanded on glare. i happen to speak english. i was offered a job as a translator and interpreter working for so gal, rim, bushy, and other law must to see if one thing led to another, and i became pro, to the fridge. by france off the so hill at some point and wrote a book, or at least had a book written for him. and the dalai lama wrote before to the book. so the book became

a best seller. and those tiny organizations grew bigger and bigger. so this is how a small time tibetan guy, bills and them are all over the world. anyone interested in spirituality is familiar with the tibetan book of living and dying. the like many people, i was fascinated by it and intrigued by its author. the book was a huge success in the english speaking world when published in 1992 and a year later in french, german and other languages. a lot. yeah. hundreds of people began coming to the center. so you're going to do some really big centers developed in 10 or so countries, the us various western european countries, australia,

india. now that probably then branch of spring up and other countries could be figurative. okay, i'll rep or she has a great entrepreneur. i'm like fairly excellent startup king of tibetan buddhism to build a tv time on there were different types of people getting different type of treatments during retreats to the normal students and retreats. and it's worth told me that the right way of living is a life where you renunciate material goods and then there was the life of the in a circle on the line last and the v i piece which was one

of the luxury good folks. so there was a big discrepancy between the students in which they were who were told to live and assess the lunch tray i, i saw on the other side, the men and women in the unit circle and had a task that was taken care of. so we all and it was clear that the most beautiful girls were with him almost day in like the yet i accepted that they were there with out asking myself the question if they had for instance,

other relationships with these girls were told that she needs the need that can you find that she needs to be available to attend to any need at any moment for the 247, whatever he did during the day he had to have assistance to fred. always looked at the foot of his bed for a few hours, though in the early months i only slept 2 hours a night in the pony, and one of the domain does have found me a via sweat the needed to go to the bathroom or to each one corner or for us to scratch his back and that he never washed alone. he had help with all these tasks. he didn't do anything on his own now and if i'm not slowly but surely. i understood that the beautiful women around. so we all were having sexual relationships with him.

the shouldn't charge to use the word rate because it immediately puts me in the role of a victim. and that's difficult to accept a key key you up of to your, you know, about a, something about it was on, but yes, it was right. so he was a heavy old man with the authority of you who would lock the door and force his way and make threats. yeah, he samples. it came in us. so yeah, at pick him up g. so yeah, i'll explain very clearly to me on the edge of his bed that if i told anyone that keeps us including girls,

then i would break the somebody up between us because i listened my a key. no clue. yeah, sex taking the sacred bond and the value of fidelity and loyalty to my master. this as a match. it could, it would have terrible comic consequences for me and my loved ones push the console john to do more. when sylvia all asked his disciples, in particular female disciples to become concubines, were to have sexual relations with him for bust him. and he, we shouldn't see this as a departure from buddhist nor in the hospital. i know not to produce my social is not existed. these things exist in tibetan tension, buddhism, duty of hindu origin. they exist in their text. speaking of these effectual rituals, extra and ego, there's also a notion of skillful means by y'all or up

a us can sort of can, according to them in order to convert someone to buddhism, a teacher can employ all means possible for you to do more including violence and lies the computer mess up the service, the key, evans, i knew about rumors relating to shell, given true, some get a role model for so guy that these numbers had these women and were with them all the time to have in the shows on keepers. i had read a bit about what was happening. okay,

but i had no idea about you and what you'd experience i pub, how may i ask after the 1st incident with sylvia? i was totally shocked. ok. the today is, it is, i told her about that, but i did know what had happened to me and what to make of it is the palm kind of course i remember that i've been strictly forbidden from talking to anyone. it keeps as well if from the, during the less than talk by. so gail, i ran into the gall controls in the courtyard at narrow thing. the cool i didn't, i didn't use a tibetan teacher. another in the same kind of style as so, you know, he's very open to the west and speaks english to isabel alex. he documented these long neck here. a kind of modern westernized call room a down the oaks, you know 30 the is there any notice for i had a question for him in the show and in tears, i asked him what it meant to be

a concert concubine. a uh, a elements there was a moment of silence, pre fully understood why i was crying a myself for a moment. he simply replied success. it's a really great opportunity to have this kind of relationship with a teacher don't call. so again, it's a case of a teacher being witness to suffering and completely ignoring the issue of cost it here just to confirm that this was a suckle aspect that's very consistent with what i read elsewhere and what happened in true power. and so goes entourages.

the i had always wanted to be a non, since i was a little girl the of the but i didn't really believe in christianity, so i couldn't see how i was going to be a non, but i always knew i was going to be then i realize that, that the time i was the most important thing in the world is which isn't you have to see the object of your devotion as completely pure. but the problem comes that it also puts all the power in the hands of the group and totally disempowered the students. if the girl is not perfect, then giving them everything is very dangerous.

his holiness had said that if we told him who the lamas were more specific, he would make sure he did not visit those places. so he's still visited this, deb, i gave them legitimation for many of us. we felt with some of the trial but it wasn't just the dalai lama who was cited as a guarantee in our lawsuit against go to all the spots i discovered that all representatives of tibetan buddhism were used to guarantee the credibility,

the, your honor, i have some photos to show the witness. the police. what can you comment on this photo and data said the dalai lama on a visit to brussel smaller 11. but that mean did he express himself in english, on the english to come translated the dalai lama. his words are still spots but skiff who is seated next to him. okay. and he translated everything we yes, i was sitting opposite of us

where we're setting up the time in brussels and this is not too much of the call. so with mr. spots the suspects hasn't even got juggling pushy, and i don't know who that is among who was accompanying him to me. from the such a monastery, please. yes, from the shirts and monastery 6. well, ministers, it's clear that mister spots is always surrounded by individuals who are recognized within the buddhist religion, which is acknowledged most as whose authority cannot be challenged to delete this isn't the sort of absolutely not. okay. so hopefully we can even in the everything we were able to earn, we have to donate. not just to recap, uh, but as an offering to your teacher who is worth more than anything. and there's nothing more precious than him. the police, don't people pay to go to conferences and retreat sites?

i presume everything you were told was a moment that had to be properly valued. and why you had to put money in the box and cash that's possible, right. on glasses they were ceremonies were gifts were given in particular to so yeah, i think i do. you could give jewelry whatever you want it the o as in my i carry like 60000 years and gone into daily the. it's guessing the like a mafia. if you're going from anywhere to india or it's in the poll, then they want to know and they actually actively seek that information during retreat. you could help. so go by taking some luggage for him. and i just carry the suit. the hot jacket, like, uh,

like whether not shiny leather like suede care. so i'm scared to take off sucky. okay. would phone mean so you have it. okay. don't lose it or you if you lose it and come back i was good. when i went through the, the customs thing was money from donated by students at a retreat. it was for buildings in the monastery which is up in the mountains, the only loan that visited europe in september 2018. the i and some

other victims seized the opportunity to arrange a meeting with him in a suite on the top floor of this hotel recorded the conversation the is using your image. yes. and they are using these in court, in this trial. as a way to legitimize this, as to stop, you have to do something at least

one less than jesus. uh quoted as possibly the one of my so the, the during the interview victim told the domain mama about her experiences with a girl who is still active of

the serious excessive display. yeah. but not like it's not going to be my girls, and i'm kind of thought i'm going to do them to is a 54 year old tibetan lama to fled to europe 20 years ago. because i presume he has several centers around the world, including one in southern spain. but i'm the 1st to use to send data information.

not. yeah. so what i'll do is we need yeah. to start the news. i wasn't the only one that happened to like you. well my many lamas in the west found themselves in the same situation. you know what i'm going to like to call you on monday at the end of that there, there linda, don't. i don't blame his holiness for what he did upon direction, but it just said death. we have very good relations and i completely understand his response yet i'm going to use this on the day that go to budget with regard to the dutch woman who spoke to his holiness and you, how quickly i know her, she's one of my students and she followed me for many years and looked at it. i thought she had some devotion to me and yet more, i'm not thinking about it now. and then. and i believe she was in love with me. that then it's genuine youth that only because the modem is using, drawing the guidelines. so it isn't for us into bed. if a woman loves a lama, she says to him, i love you because ask of me what you will. i chose. i got an alarm,

a replies either yes or no, or kind of go in the west. it's not like that on a light duty in the, in some of them is shown in the room and she will try to find another way behind his back. she'll probably have that doesn't work. she becomes angry and goes to court. and talk to him about 10 minutes. it was ended attorney at asia on the left, the associate though i'm not under. i certainly in the past and i made many mistakes with regard to the way i spoke to courtney law and interacted with students. hallmark which tells you about the rock and the this was because i wasn't familiar with how western societies think new mobile eulogy. and there are many different practices in tibetan buddhism where, cuz she, it's jessica with lemon. and some of them do not conflict with the law, pen, tulsa, and are very beneficial in to meet you because it is absolutely necessary that these are taught of the new. on the other hand,

some are incompatible with the times and the place, live and do not fit the western mentality. and the museum coming to monroe the despite a lawsuit in switzerland and several communications to his office, the dalai lama did not respond. non good is still teaching tibetan buddhism. the in 2020. the court of appeals sentenced to pull that sponsor to a 5 year suspended prison sentence and financial reparations for his victims. p appealed to

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