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the skin of tibetan buddhist community called okay, see i was one of about 60 children there. the that's me in the photo. i was 5 years old. one of my parents abandoned me here in a place called shut to do so the my childhood was an endless cycle of praying and frustrating. i didn't see my mother for several years. i was subjected to beatings, food deprivation and cold. some of the girls i grew up with went through much worse in the form of teachings and rituals that took years to be classified as rate
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the fall in the name of a religion that to westerners is above suspicion. the buddhism, the of the report being received the nobel peace prize. the this is not rights teachers did not have sex with students. the
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the, [000:00:00;00] the, my name is ricardo i now 40 years old for 6 years. i've been fighting to bring our former master to justice in court. lama comes on all the spots, spots as belgians. he was one of the 1st westerners to establish
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a buddhist community in europe. he's a recognized teacher of tibetan buddhism along the . here we go. the today i'm the spokes person for 23 plaintiffs, and the case against lama crimson. here, a plaintiff, which he called him, and he now lives in the south of spain and declined to show up. he's on trial for exploitation of workers holding children hostage and sexual abuse the results. please be seated. yeah,
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so we'll continue with mr. mental the uh the shipment is because with the boom it's do you wish to emphasize anything about the statements you've made? so it was a fairly easy was discussed because it just was until this case began to consume my mind over the last 4 years. and i had no idea about the definition of sexual abuse, then addition installed on your x ray. don't. why was it mounted by the idea that these girls, by daring to go public, could imagine because it might be ruined? 06, was it the quantity tweeze? it don't i decided we had to protect them. but a, the thinking was told that if we protect those who are most vulnerable, and we tell our own stories and make a goal disclosure to the court, or it won't expose new ma'am. then the truth would come out to the new society lovingly to accept
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the the boys who went with your parents to show it to a disarray in the south of france. you will with your parents in the hall. yes. have a wrong football. and at some stage they left. was there any physical abuse? go ahead. i know much. they got slapped, and it was crazy, but i didn't think it was serious. much post makes it difficult, but i saw kids getting beaten in the stairwells. he'd be the best. the most do not, but child smashed against the wall covered in blood. so can you call upon me? i have many visual memories of violent scene here. you could show any of the commercial here. she said, how did you react to this violence? it didn't, i was afraid that maybe they were you also given private lessons by mr. spots. i think you do you have a question? well yes. one on one. right? yes. that's going to prove it. can you describe to us the nature of these lessons?
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because i'll send you more, i'll set you up and i'll say he began to summon me for private meetings when i was quite small, easy to home. this was in his room beneath the tower in my g 2, when he told me to go to a small tower just behind his apartment. he's about to know. this was in the evening discreetly so as not to arouse any suspicion or jealousy from bet. so i'm going to read receipt. that's how he presented it. want me to present that. why it keeps. i have to go to this tower in the evening and wait for him. i think i'm glad to bring my do they along because i would be sleeping there for a few nights and i couldn't couldn't. she won't be awful. i went up into the tower new taskbar, came later in the evening. as he says, he sat down and prayed with me, his mom a p. and then as i'm stage, he began talking about spiritual energy. i'll see if i need to know how to use the
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future to, to, to high a, to see. and he touched my shoulders, saying that spiritual energy was coursing through my body, which i should be able to feel the feeling that he said i had to take off my clothes because they were blocking the energy. i'm good, not bad at midtown domino. and i remember falling asleep in the tower because he didn't turn up the 1515 does. when he then i remember being woken up by him touching my private parts to the best complete best you don't plan with to she already talked to you on. so, you know, you might need to mclean told me to lay naked on the floor. e s q produced some sort of bomb and started applying it to my breasts functionally. so i'll fight, you know, they explained to me that there was a lot of energy in the central oregon's and breast with this because these were the major energy zones. g, is you quite a come up the lid so he began to,
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to simulate them in order to transfer the energy spots the united states that substitute enlightenment, talk to you. he understood everything. see, so he was omnipresent. you're gonna know he knew what we were thinking and feeling that somebody knew our past lives are good karma or bad karma. really hygiene you heard of best be was extremely generous because instead of living in nevada, he chose to live on earth to help us east and be in this awful place where everyone was suffering. she said she was doing this for us so, so he ordered us to do things that may have seemed unfair or odd a little crazy or pointless by you. but we needed to follow his exact instructions to achieve enlightenment from cycled identity. results on. yeah. if was, if i understand correctly, the alignment demanded blind obedience. we yes. what if i was raped in this life? it was because i must have been a man who raped a woman in
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a former life. cl number. give you my punishment was to relive the experience as a woman to purge my bad karma lucky me and become closer to enlightenment agency and 50 fortunately, they want to see that's what that's what he told you we i'm describing what he told us so. so let me suspect his teachings. yes. the as a child, i remember seeing all the great masters of buddhism coming to meet all the spots. even the dalai lama visited him. however, during my investigation, i came across images that stunned me in the early ninety's. while we were suffering at the hands of all of us spots. a
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meeting was arranged between the dalai lama and buddhist masters in the west. they spent hours talking about sexual and financial abuse within buddhist communities. so well that spots was not an isolated case. the . i can't remember the exact numbers, but i think there was something like 25
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a western board as teachers from different traditions. we met with the dalai lama, i think about 7 or 8 times over 3 days we. he was very generous with his time on the trouble of the conference. the guy with the died on the receiving letters from on the happy women nightly, who complained to him as the head of the church that they had been mistreated by the tibetan teachers. it is, i'll send you a teachers in the us and in europe. we're concerned about the growing number of sexual and ethical scandals that were coming to light on the 6th grade. it's something needed to be done. it who 2nd before was of
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the i have received many letter each of these things to go through every, every effort for me to stop as i understand the situation and how the down the present. here we have to discuss we just said, this is not right. the teachers are not have sex with students. but if your holiness could join in and that kind of statement, it would give enormous power to it. it would help enormously good media. they show people that i haven't shopped, teachers won't listen, maybe the teachers were having sex and drinking. they may not listen to the
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students. so now listen. now listen to you. that will help tremendously. then people can say no say no. because you're giving a spend, which people trusting right towards the end of this rating. the suggestion was that we write an open letter in which we would present what we had reflected upon and what we had decided and hopefully arrive at some kind of resolution from march 16 to 191993. a meeting was held at dunham sila, between his holiness, the dalai lama and a group of 20 west and on the teachers. i was charged with the right seen. i've lost the taxes, and there is of this led to the i read it is paper back to his already nice issues
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. in recent years, several asian and west and teachers have been involved in scandals concerning sexual misconduct with the students. students should be warned against the dangers of falling prey to christmas exalted titles exoticism. instead of fighting these points, there was some response presenting them as some sort of consensus. okay. arrived at the, on the part us visit the i'd say,
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well we maybe we should say there's maybe we should say that other voice is also amongst the group suggested changes and so forth. and we arrived off for a couple of hours at a text that we were all happy to put on names to thank you. and then the dalai lama said, 1st of all, we have to pass this message through his private office. and then nothing happened for weeks. there was no response, there was nothing. and eventually it did come back to me and the others. and the only thing that's had changed was the dell as long as name had been removed as a signatory. the or in my childish eyes,
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the dalai lama was the embodiment of benevolence. why didn't he intervene? i realized he was not only a spiritual guide. he was also a political leader. his priorities lay elsewhere. the also going to keep it then going to destroy the defense of pick go you don't need a more recent than his gloves. you did exceed those on tv. those are designed for the know that they both get those you have them on the right name is tending. did you i served in the office of certain this
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fall or with for to something use the chemo go to bed for now is about 6 years 1959. so in this, the thought i might came into india along with thousands of to bed the and then would the delilah i'm on there was this whole government sort of set up continued farm to that. the, i remember you the sixty's use at the time, but in this order, this made up is to lead us for the issue of to bit to be discussed in the united nations. so we had all these letters to be type for the heads of these countries. but i remember typing many n or because they didn't have computers. oh,
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it was terrible. one mistake. they've got the whole thing. didn't die, not connected to that any way indoors. it is, it was actually a very exciting moment. the dalai lama is both a political and religious figure. yeah. to her, when there's always been a political, as i mention, especially at the beginning when they arrived from tibet more in exile, just say or is that they were driven out. they offered some 100. it's a book to so many of them died. it don't exactly even that they reached india and had to find their place if they needed allies, the rate from the early times, but situation to a very difficult among the veterans index side. i'd take any kind of help, you know,
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from outside was very welcome. they needed support us from western countries the just in a very inclusive do they want to go or they want to explore. they want to find things. you know it's very interesting. in the initial stage it was mostly the hippies who are not interested in production but this to go to new places and you know, go up there has shoes and let's deal with things like that. but then some of them have also, you know, inquisitive mind so then gradually listen, let's see b and more and more, you know,
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for those who really wanted to explore and find out the tourism goes to the individual position. i am the director of this is digit code library of division logs into our pipes. the origin, the idea of establishing this is digital. this is the ration from motion and dissemination of dividend go to i do use enough the quest for truth wisdom, knowledge and myself is how that is that i realize that in the west who owns that, we don't think about ourselves and aren't properly aware of ourselves we do all the townsend isn't the only things that we're focused on, the external one,
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all to see one cars, power money, the television, $1.00 highest. we want to travel always. we're always looking outwards, but never what's happening inside of us on the us. probably not the candidates for that sort of jump, but we're at least we're represented that was we were a channel into the wider world that they now found themselves in the for many who maybe even just studied or had contact with directors for a year or 2 on the not too long it was enough for them to have some kind of a close feeling for the tibetans and once the left i'm still out or in
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board, but i just i'm down in the center. awesome. but support group back in my parents day. buddhism was really becoming on vogue the calls that don't leave it with these. the civic when he comes to sees it needs to be available. most of these are and don't, they don't sit, but you also need to come and see them at the closest you seem to do want to stipulate or that conversation you said this was on 12 white white who i just use like a the civilians wanting the most of them to do with the some of the big sick i'm senior litzy, they only thought it's as if to bed due to having been physically expelled from its homeland has managed thanks to the dalai lama this to create what i would call a virtual de territorial lies to bed, easy going with each monasteries and tibetan buddhism centers around the world
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constitute a kind of prefect to acting on behalf of that virtual to bed, spread all over the globe. so some of the, the, you know, the quote that he suddenly realized that he could link the political, spiritual, and cultural dimensions and safe tibetan culture through the spiritual desires of west. and this is actually also using those desires to put political pressure on china. official political selection will you please enter the told you and received the nobel peace prize for
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1989. we did go in the middle and the, the, the, when this awards happened, it made it easier for governments and other organizations to say that, you know, create inviting historians. this is an open already the the tibetan branch is a minority among buddhists, but it's the most successfully exported. its success is mainly due to the dalai lama, who in just a few years managed to achieve iconic status. everyone in one of their photo taken with the tibetan liter bill clinton. chuck,
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she rock and movie stars. like richard gear the the cases of abuse. multiply that support for the tibetan cause spread around the world. the, i'm one of the few journalists who has focused exclusively on abused by buddhist for a long time. so people approach me constantly every 2 or 3 weeks. someone approaches me about some abuse somewhere in the world. the as sometimes those people have been abused themselves, sometimes they have been witnesses to abuse and they try to involve me in their case, the soviet, remember, cherry is
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a one of the biggest abuse or symbolism over the years, i think. so you made hundreds of victims just by, you know, abusing them physically and sexually. and i'm not even including people who were worked until the drops for nothing. this has been going on since the mid 19 seventy's until the late 2000 and the implant 10. so that's a long period of time, the, or the $10.00 to $20.00. so what should be done if someone would,
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in this system clearly saw it's the most secure link, but see if i'm able to beat music. i've lived in the west for many years now. i the seasonal c though is always the most economical, fully, congestion, v c special thing. so in the photo, would these move to it? so may just say people don't send you that, such as that. i'll send you more to, but i just stated this. i think i thought because if i do see more to say the to be doing amendment various, i was at a large conference attended by 60 to 80 people. so you know that you and there was a young lama there called the sociology, written, pushy type hard. yeah, it could just go very good english. and it was very dynamic and aggressive when it came to the excess of materialism, that the failure of western society and its quest for happiness, the shape. so you should be able to see that. and also i was showing you. but now
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if you, what are your viewing today? does it exist? so he had a spiritual vision of existence that was very committed, very practical, very connected to the modern world, yvonne, which was pretty amazing at that time. paul. yeah, it's ok. the preschool weeks probably over there, i happened to speak english. i was offered a job as a translator and interpreter working. first of all, room, pushy and other law must to see if one thing led to another and i became press, is it a friend? thought france off the so hill at some point wrote a book, or at least had a book written for him. and the dalai lama wrote afore to the book.
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so the book became a best seller. and those tiny organizations grew bigger and bigger. so this is how a small time tibetan guy, bills and them are all over the world. anyone interested in spirituality is familiar with the tibetan book of living and dying. the like many people, i was fascinated by it and intrigued by its author. it is stupid. the book was a huge success in the english speaking world when published in 1992 and a year later in french, german and other languages. a lot you have hundreds of people began coming to the center. so you're going to do some really big centers developed in 10 or so countries do us various western
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european countries, australia, india, now that probably then branch this spring up and other countries put the figure it out. okay, all right, but she has a great entrepreneur. i'm like fairly excellent startup king of tibetan buddhism to build a few times even on there were different types of people getting different type of treatments during retreats to the normal students and retreats. and it's worth told me. that's the right way of living is a life where you renunciate material goods the and then there was the life of the in a circle on the line last. and the v i piece which was one
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of the luxury good for. so there was a big discrepancy between the students and which they were who were told to live in a sense of the luxury i, i saw on the other side, the men and women in the, in the sample. i had a task that was taken care of. so we all and it was clear that the most beautiful girls were with him almost day in mind. the yet, i accepted that they were there with out asking myself the question if they had,
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for instance, other relationships with these girls were told that he needs the need that can you find that he needs to be available to attend to any need at any moment for the 247, whatever he did during the day he had to have assistance to fit always looked at the foot of his bed for a few hours. though in the early months, i only slept 2 hours a night in the pony, and one of the domains does have found me or a via sweat the needed to go to the bathroom or to each one corner or for us to scratch his back. and that he never washed alone. he had help with all these tasks . he didn't do anything on his own now and if i'm not slowly but surely. i understood that the beautiful women around. so here were
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having sexual relationships with him. the she didn't, did she states are to use the word raped because it immediately puts me in the role of a victim, and that's difficult to accept a key key you up of to your, to off. okay. optima it was on, but yes, it was right. so he was a heavy old man with the authority of you who would lock the door and force his way and make threats. yeah, he simple as it came in us. so yeah, i pick him up g. so yeah, i'll explain very clearly to me on the edge of his bed that if i told anyone that keeps us including the girls,
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then i would break the somebody up between us because i listened my a key. no clue. yeah, sex taking the sacred bond and the voucher fidelity and loyalty to my master. as a symmetric, it could, it would have terrible comic consequences for me and my loved ones push the consul general duma. when sylvia, all as his disciples, in particular female disciples to become concubines, were to have sexual relations with him for bust him. and he, we shouldn't see this as a departure from buddhist normal hospital. i know not to produce my social is not exist. these things exist in tibetan tension, buddhism, duty of hindu origin. they exist in their text. speaking of these sexual rituals occurring to use, there's also a notion of skillful means is by y'all are up a yes can sort of can, according to them in order to convert someone to buddhism,
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a teacher can employ all means possible for you to do more, including violence and lies the computer messed up. the discussion is a key and i knew about rumors relating to shell, given true, some get a role model for so guy that these numbers had these women fell in love with them all the time. oh, i have in the it shows empty food. i had read a bit about what was happening. okay. but i had no idea about you and what your
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experience i pub, how may i ask after the 1st incident with sylvia? i was totally shocked. ok. a today is it is, i felt my horrible, but i didn't know what had happened to me and what to make of it. look home kind of course i remember that i've been strictly forbidden from talking to anyone very keeps as well. if on the, during the less than talk by so gale around it, it's a girl come troop in the courtyard. deadly interrupting the flu. i didn't, i didn't use a tibetan teacher another in the same kind of style as so, you know, he's very open to the west and speaks english to it says that alex, the document says long neck here. a kind of modern, westernized core room down there. okie doke, is it, is there any nonsense for i had a question for him in the show,
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and here's why. i asked him what it meant to be a consort concubine, a uh, a elements. there was a moment of silence, pre fully understood why i was crying a myself for a moment, he simply replied, since that it's a really great opportunity to have this kind of relationship with a teacher don't call. so again, it's a case of a teacher being witness to suffering and completely ignoring the issue. suppose it here just to confirm that this was a suckle aspect that's very consistent with what i read elsewhere and what happened
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in tampa. and so goes entourages. the i had always wanted to be a non, since i was a little girl the but i didn't really believe in christianity, so i couldn't see how i was going to be a non, but i always knew i was going to be then i realize that that the time i was, the most important thing in the world is which isn't you have to see the optics of your devotion as completely pure. but the problem comes that it also puts all the power in the hands of the group. and totally does in power as the student. if the go is not perfect,
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then giving them everything is very dangerous. his holiness had said that if we told him who the lamas were and what specific, he would make sure he did not visit those places. so he's still visited this deb, i gave them legitimation for many of us. we felt was somewhat of a trial but it wasn't just the dalai lama who was cited as a guarantee in our lawsuit against go to all the spots. i discovered that all representatives of tibetan buddhism were used to
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guarantee the credibility, the, your honor, i have some photos to show the witness. for me for, can you comment on this photo and data said the dalai lama on a visit to brussel smaller 11. but i mean, did he express himself in english on the english, a deep clean translated adult along his words, spots but gift, who was seated next to him. okay. and he translated everything with yes, i was sitting opposite of us
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where we hear the tampa in brussels. and this is much too much here to come with mister spots. the suspense has in cobb jumbling pushy, and i don't know who that is. a monk who was accompanying him to me from the such a monastery, the shifts, and monasteries, sex. when legislation, it's clear that mister spouts is always surrounded by individuals who are recognized within the buddhist religion, which is acknowledged. mazda is who's also already cannot be challenged to delete this as well. no, that's in absolutely not. okay. step just completely and even in the everything we were able to earn, we have to donate. not just to recap uh, but as an offering to your teacher who is worth more than anything and there's nothing more precious than him. the police don't. people hate to go to conferences and retreat sites. i pray on my review,
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we're told was a moment that had to be properly valued and why you had to put money in the box in cash as possible on glasses. they were ceremonies were gifts were given you in particular to so yeah, i think i do. you could give jewelry or whatever you want it the hours a month. i carry like 60000 years and called into daily the, it's definitely like a mafia issue going from anywhere to india or it's in the poll, then they want to know and they actually actively seek that information during retreat. you could help solve your by taking some luggage for him.
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and i just carry the super hot jacket like, uh, like whether or not shining lives or like swayed care. i'm scared to take off sucky. okay. would phone mean so you have it. okay. don't lose it. or you if you lose it and come back i was good. when i went through the, the customs thing was money from donated by students at a retreat. it was for buildings in the monastery which is up in the mountains, the only loan that visited europe in september 2018. the i and some
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other victims seized the opportunity to arrange a meeting with them in a suite on the top floor of this hotel recorded the conversation the conjunction in using your image. yes and they are using these in court in as you do so try them as a way to legit you might just center this has to stop. you have to do something at least one less than this. jesus uh
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hold responsibly. the one of my so the, the, during the interview victim told the dalai lama about her experiences with a girl who is still act of
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the serious, excessive discipline. yeah, but i'm not going to be my girls. and i'm kind of thought i'm going to do them to is a 54 year old tibetan lama to fled to europe 20 years ago. because i presume he has several centers around the world, including one in southern spain. but i'm the 1st to use to send data information. not yeah. so now we need. yeah.
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so to do this, i wasn't the only one that happened to my people. my many laws in the west found themselves in the same situation. your. i'm going to let you all money at the end of that there, there linda, your, i don't blame is holiness for what he did underwriting, but it just, it just, we have very good relations and i completely understand his response yet i'm going to use this on the day that go to budget and with regard to the dutch woman who spoke to his holiness and you have for me, i know her, she's one of my students. and most she followed me for many years. but i thought she had some devotion to me and yet more i'm not thinking about it now. and then, and i believe she was in love with me, that then it's genuine youth that only because the mon you use in drawing the guidelines. so it isn't for us into bed. if a woman loves a lama, she says to him, i love you because asking me what you will. i chose, i got an alarm,
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a replies either yes or no, or kind of go in the west. it's not like that on a well, i'm not duty in the, in some of them is shown in the room and she will try to find another way behind his back. she'll probably have that doesn't work. she becomes angry and goes to court and talk to you about the notes it was ended attending at asia on the left, the associate though i'm not under. i certainly in the past and i made many mistakes with regard to the way i spoke to cory law. and interacting with the students, how much of a shot you about the rock and the yeah and the this was because i wasn't familiar with how western societies think new mobile eulogy. and there are many different practices in tibetan buddhism where, cuz she this jessica was 211 and some of them do not conflict with the law and tulsa and are very beneficial in to meet you to a, it is absolutely necessary that these are taught the unit on the other hand,
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some are incompatible with the times and the place we live and do not fit the western mentality. and the museum coming up. monroe the despite a lawsuit in switzerland and several communications to his office, the dalai lama did not respond. donica is still teaching tibetan buddhism, the in 2020. the court of appeals sentenced to pull that sponsor to a 5 year suspended prison sentence and financial reparations for his victims. the appealed to
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a higher court the shuttle do so. they continues to welcome visitors and the ok see organization has never rejected the legacy of all the spots the
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