of weakness, he calls it for goshen has apparently tapped into the view that kootenays and is a corrupt system where the ruling lead had been enriching themselves and are more interested in pleasing, prudent than doing what is right for national interest to ordinary people. that's a message which seems to have resonated how high is the dissatisfaction with bruton and food newsom? well, uh, is the middle tray. uh, the rear is a clear uh, spinning sized russian generals as old as on the exterior competence. and it's a, it's a very interesting in our own legal situation because it is right now that the russian army is gave some vision you found confidence in themselves because actually is, are you crazy on the fence? if is extremely slow. oh, that is a perception of the russian army is not my perception, but that's not how they caesar situation. they, they fear that could be a really big now they say it's not that big and not back horrible. uh so that gives

some of this uh, sun sofa. that sound not actually bad, bad. uh, at the same time, but keep lame is age and you're all set and that is why they supported to some extent of silence. they may be pig gordon's criticism because they share the same feeling, but it does move at that ready to just don't think about it. so they still got approval. and the sit in class, we need to find visible for a very long time. is that, but here's how the, the head of the c, i a, is framing the situation. he says that this affection with the world will continue to not away at the russian leadership. and that it creates a once in a generation opportunity for the c. i a to recruit spies in russia. if you are very familiar with the security services, do you think that the c i will find fertile ground for recruitment or? well, i think rather, we, as you know, there's a lot of wishful thinking. yeah. we're trying to identify every sign of,

of descent as a, as a signal about the system a will and that, but the blood collapse and the know as a and the metal for several months. i would be extremely, i would be more cautious to be honest. it's not likely that lots of people accepted xyzzy. i was a war includes as a russian the let's put you in as a way to good at conducting repressions, especially against his own people. we have several s as the people in general that have ministers in jail governance in jail. so it is a big thing for the russian society yet. and lots of people themselves found the stands that, that's actually, that is no way for them, but to stay. and to stay loyal to foods. and so i would say, i would say that for c, i a, it's might end up as soon as see uh, but i would be cautious also the program is bad to say which with the best people find that it was a chance for defection with and right now for the russian, the lives because the folder restrictions saw for travel. i mean the silkwood easy to, to make it through europe. all it isn't that the stays,

the chances that the same people as a russian, that is what saying ok, maybe now i stopped spines. was i many concerns about forgive, but give me a chance to, to move on to, to the friends and not just stays that quite same quote. and since the uprising he has been seeming to be bent on projecting normalcy and stability, we've seen him ramping on public appearances. and the week after the uprising, he gave a number of national addresses for training the rebellion. as a heroic episode, he travelled to the southern region of dag of san, where he sipped local cognac, he spoke about growing regional tourism. he even attended a technology fair in moscow. what are russians make of that? or are they buying it? well, not all of them off gums, so especially in big stages, bugs and proven, says you have lots of people who are still very supportive of boats and they accept as a russian propaganda adoption of a van. so that puts in my amber acid to avoid blood shit on to some extent he did

actually, or that it was no real big launched it. uh, except for this uh, unfortunate pilots and it is appropriate for the middle of tray. not for that population provision. i mean, his rants, they really offer this alternative to the war propaganda for many russians in on varnish glimpse from the front lines. you highlighted the use list and, and justify losses. can russians really go back to regularly scheduled programming? well, that's a good question, but i think what it goes to the wanted to do, uh, he wanted to become some sort of uh uh you will press it for says russian society, all we have is a license to uh, tags or us. and it leads to mobilize the rest of society, which and does one side. he still thinks that it's possible to win the business law . def file, the total mobilization. but we don't know what might happen if say you agree on the

offensive goes with the success of fall. we just don't know that might change the situation. and if that changes, there might be new space and you room for your doors and then people are, can, let's talk about prudent for us to show up his power. first of all is a crack down under way. as that is one thing which is clear. uh, also it gives the services and the army as a national guard, they loan. is it less than that? why do you have a program? is it on a sort of circle of pollution? is it better not to interfere? and i think it is a very bad signal for points and because well what if tomorrow some of the guys say could do it? of all someone, all is the rest of the security council. now come opposite the russian television and say, wow, i'll wasn't sure why the major go to hell and we need to replace, give someone that would be a huge confusion on that. this cliff right now. you, if you look at the overall situation, though, russia's most senior generals, they,

they've dropped out of view since the uprising. i'm thinking about general ross him off. he's report the not appeared in public. he's of course, in charge of the war effort and ukraine. the kremlin has also been deflecting questions about the whereabouts of general sort of the can, who is seen as aligned with precaution and believe to be detained. what do you think is happening to them? a while it's really difficult to understand. i've been checking the information about sort of a can for all these days. uh, it looks like sort of course i did. it was sent to prison. uh, we kinda confirmed them, but he said it seems that he was at least until i get as, and it's quite interesting vibes we are here and visit rumors. it bows and middle trojan are also about not about security services, which is a very interesting thing. while you have these people, i'm is f as b as a national guard, all of the security services pulled in charge of putting his personal security and political stability. it is yet all the questions that come to has. it's all about

some of the trick. how much impact do you think these events of the past weeks are going to have on the war and ukraine? um, it's a good question because the one hand we see is that walking our didn't participate directly, at least in big numbers and, and trying to selves you praying and contra offensive. it is a jump for the regular russian army. while at the same time walk, there is still a very capable force and they have his reputation ends. there are some miller trait, yet there is new confusion. now because of the, obviously i'm using it stays by longer because of his policy who upheld full absolutely nothing. well put us of course, enough of as was about to be spiel of his pilots were killed because of a on another the russian heroes. but it was a middle track hearing is that that it would be no justice for the fall of his ball as an assemblage. nobody would be prosecuted for keeping this,

this policy and that credit and you confusion, it means that it has a regular army still finds in the bottle failed. you have a number of product miniature companies as an ottoman now is looking at risk product mutual competitors with some suspicion because these guys overs approved frederick and kill russian soldiers and they can get away the fed. so these kind of confusing and long dollar my sites and situations about the felt the ukrainian counter offensive has, has not yet achieved significant success. according to nato's top commander in europe. do you think that now there is more pressure on putting to end the war? no, i don't think so. i think what, pushing on the stance is, uh uh very it was such a big investment in inside. yeah. of your brand contra offensive. uh, wallace was a big thing for, for that you brand new and governments for is that you bring a lead to ship. it was a big thing from nature for the west. in russia,

it was played as a sign that the russian army well behaved. and actually it was not extremely uh, great uh is the beginning of the war, but the vegas and batch are there is this. uh there is a strange feeling now, especially because it's all about history and the 2nd world war and all of that. so there is these ideas shaded by man, yet by the russian army over his dogs of war. uh, and the very bad shape, but a guessing best uh on the way and puts you on this trying to capitalize on vis filling. i'd like to ask you one last question about the uprising, the wagner uprising because many are concerns that a food does fall. the concern is that a replacement leader could be worse crumbling, critical krakowski said the following. we glimpse how the regimes inevitable fall is likely to come about and the forces that we'll seek to take over so called national patriots led by another fog. if you look at the big picture, do you think that russia is ultimately doomed to have one thug replaced by another?

after putting of all our thoughts into it might happen because as a more visible goes, is it more as the russians the sides is getting used to visible? and now the, i guess it is a motional argument and save exit will because there's so many casualties. there's so many people killed and even the people who felt well confused about the beginning of the war. now they have visited in growl and my villas someone gets killed by these ukrainian. so why should i feel store it and bought some more. so and some, and some way the support for that was guessing all it's not big about it's, it's most stable and it means that the whole system of the society projection itself does idea that while it's going to be with a long war. and in the long war you get people like general sand, why, while using very tough language, more and more and more popular pop law. and at some moment they might get some

miles from position in depaula. yeah, that's true. how long do you think putting has while i think it has to be, i talking about years, a condo, so that definitely have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us on conflicts out. thank you. the

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