the, the visiting views live it from berlin tonight, the mercenary mystery. where is the russian wagner? boss? yup. gave me for goshen. we thought that he was inside build a roof until today when the leader of bell the roost said for goshen is probably in russia. also coming up tonight, a rush and walk in strike on the ukrainian city of leave kills at least 5 people

the mirror describing it as the biggest attack of the cities infrastructure since the invasion began. and we'll look at how it rushes this information more about ukraine is reaching a big audience of spanish speakers and why that matters. plus mark sucker bergs. meta takes on you on twitter with a new social media platform threads. millions of already signed up for the new surface, the bridge off. it's good to have you with this, the whereabouts of you have get any for goes and the head of rushes. wagner mercenary group are still unclear. tonight, the leader of bella, ru, selling general, the kitchen sink up. today's and provision is still is in russia with thousands of fighters and not in build a roof as he's been quite me for the past week or so. the kremlin says it is not

keeping tabs on the wagner box. how do i be to the mystery continues? what would the bid about of you? if you need precaution? the wagner must entity groups boss hasn't been seen publicly since leading an underworld on multiple. because it had reported the travel to better was that's part of a deed with the russian president vladimir putin. following the mutiny he led last month. you know, but it was his leader, alexander lucas shinkel says, goshen isn't russia unlocked in his country as he has previously claimed records and the cords, it's up so i don't know you have my books and on the board. i know for sure. i mean, when you pick asian one is a free man, we have right now. he is an f 3 man for to new port loose new or more more i think to him on the so not long ago. let us know what's the next week. we spoke yesterday

after lunch and discussed the next steps involved and his activities just to the trouble covered no here yet, business mainly the main vice production, the state d. v has shown images of what it says was that rate one precautions office and residents in st. petersburg. profession security services found cash good because it happens to several passports by 10 big potentially enabling him to travel with the false identity. but they could have 1000000 sees it is not following the wagner chief. we seem to be wished to do that. oh, that's yeah. oh, i see it's doing the mutiny didn't fit in a harsh respond to those digging pot. no, it's not clear what has happened to the man who let it come through or to use roman a gun to think of it has more now on the rate that reportedly took place earlier

today and st. petersburg inside provisions residence. well yes, i've seen those pictures um, all that mansion and what is inside. and those pictures went all over the internet and a ton of them. channels close to pretty gordon said that was a no vs attempt, or the russian authorities to discredit mister pedagogy and to show him as a kind of a millionaire. but they say that the pictures actually helped me separate goals. and because according to that, uh, channel tug up general, very close to precaution, but um and there was not so much gold as you would expect of someone who, who is very, very rich um and actually just show that she was a patio and the 2 heads uh, all those metals, uh, he's a hero, russia. so they're trying to say that basically nothing new there. and so no best attempt to the kremlin through propaganda to distract attention from,

from the real problems and the conflict between the russian army and the, because nothing worries. and that was due to be as well my go to ranko reporting there. a bunch of missile strike on the ukrainian city of la b has killed at least 5 people and injured dozens more. levine is located far from the moore's front lines in the west of ukraine, and yet it has come under repeated attack. the mirror says, this is the heaviest onslaught of the cities civilian infrastructure. since the start of the invasion, you creating and presidents zalinski today promised what he called a tangible response, a shoke written all over that faces neighbors, friends and family dead, or 5 lea injured communities fall from the front line. but now at the center of this devastating will you,

russians are helping us. that's how they like us. i'm sorry for those people who were killed. they were young. so sorry for them. in tie of flows of this apartment building and lives destroyed cause turned into twisted scraps of metal. i came back and found out that my mother had died. my neighbors had died. this point, it seems that i was the only one who survived from the 4th floor. it's a miracle list which is the worst if it was for the rescue, whereas we wouldn't have got highest of the apartment. they broke down the door and less of size. i have no apartment, nothing. i can't talk anymore. i'm left with eyes anything. the ukraine says russia attacked living with cruise missiles, which were launched from the black sea. it says 7 was shot down with 3 go through.

as it can see, the main restroom go is of course, the destruction of the ukrainian people business. i want to the day, but we will, when we are holding onto the search for survivors continues. as does the clean up these people's lives will never be the same. again. the vitamin ministration says it plans to supply ukraine with cluster bombs, as part of a new weapons package that is set to be announced friday, cluster bombs, which are also used in serious civil war release. large numbers of smaller explosions that can kill in main indiscriminately over a wide area. within a 120 countries have banned the weapons, the group human rights watch, says both russia and ukraine have used cluster munitions. in this conflict.

our lives go to washington, the i'll bring, you know, the bureau chief in dispos, she's covering the story for us. it is what's behind the buying administration's decision to throw cluster bombs into the mix. a good idea is it just said we are expecting to hear an announcement tomorrow that'd be united states plans to send cluster munitions for 155 millimeter. how it's a canyon's. it was other weapons as well. so brand, this announcement does not only come days before the nato summit next week, and when you slip renier. but also at the moment when presidents and then ask is blaming russia that they might be targeting this up for news on nuclear power plant . one of the biggest in europe, and accordingly, that could lead to a cause, cost or fee and wide parts of euro. so this announcement will be another commitment from the us from president biden, to support ukraine a to support their spring or summer offensive, even though as you just mentioned,

human rights groups world wide condemn. uh, the usage of this class to unison. yeah. cluster bombs are definitely controversial . talk to me a little bit more about what the reaction has been there in the us or in washington to this news. all right, so 1st of all, um, do you also said that in other news sources kind of uh, also say that both countries do grade and joshua are already using those accessible and so that's not really new to the battle field. however, to kind of get a little bit of context how these work. so cluster munitions are kind of conventional explosives that break apart and slide and scatter bump let's. and they are called stop munitions. and they have to serve this reputation as an especially ugly weapon of war because of the danger they oppose to civilians. and not only that is not all of the submitted sup your nation explodes when it hits the ground.

it is also kind of compared to land mines as they can explode, years later if someone steps on them and that often are children and women. so these are reasons why most of the european countries, germany included, have banned the use of cluster bombs. so this decision will cost a lot of controversy tomorrow, and we definitely will go to the press conference conferences and challenge the decisions and ask for the reasons behind it is useful with the leaves tonight from washington. as always, thank you. of russia is not just using bombs and missiles against the view crane. it's international propaganda. war has been deploying, have troops. rumors and this information and language is no barrier here with more than 500000000 speakers. spanish is a key vehicle for sympathetic russian message. 6 of june,

2023. the novak hoff got them collapses in ukraine and videos like this one shared and viewed thousands of times in the spanish speaking world. but of course, there are many fakes. this use a here claims that this video shows the moment when the them explode. it. this is the fleeting. yes, we see the same them, but a reversed image search shows the video was published in november 2020 to the tweet blames ukrainians for the exposure at the latest them as nazis. many other use us use the same description like in these tweets calling ukrainians. nazis is one of the major narratives of this war by spanish speaking accounts spreading this information. looking at the content on ukraine, russian state back the accounts have use the term nazi 50 percent more often since the invasion and according to experts. there's a reason for this. also let in america, it's

a very quick way of generating rejection toward government by linking it to not citizens. another major does information. narrative focuses on to lensky himself. is crediting ukraine's president as a person and politician to legitimize the war this video, which was viewed thousands of times, claims that lensky wants the war to continue as a reaction european problem and terry and to leave the session. but this claim is false. reverse image search and the science on the tables lead us to the origin of the video. an austrian paul even session earlier this yeah. here politicians of the far right auster an s p. the policy that leaves the room during the speech presidency. however, he didn't say that he wanted the war to continue. that. why is the lensky often to target himself? best so nice to have a language realizing brushes war on a character and described in that character as an ad hominem operation that

propaganda often, employees find that laptops that major narrative focuses on influences. they have become an important tool of russian propaganda in spanish. recent studies shows of the 15 most or tweet to the account, surveyed 7 for independence. spanish speaking influence of one such spanish speaking influenza. as leo savannah, you go, she shares this leading claims about the war with thousands of follow ups. the goal hosting support for the russian government did not fluid yet, is that prostate and she has been doing so throughout the course of the war year. she's explaining how well russians are rebuilding my are you for a city and southeastern ukraine. this claim is misleading. c via doesn't mention that russia was the one to destroy the city. she only shows how it is now building new apartments or playground. and according to studies, she's not the only influence of spreading russian narrative in spanish. one though,

a lot like when official information is discredited, there is an attempt to turn to other voices out. the citizen voices tend to be more credible. is so much the tough truth rumors and this information all in all a way of strengthening russian perspectives on the war and ukraine. the nations have an opening there because they can dress themselves up as being different from the western world. and it's a significant opening with a global reach of almost 500000000 spanish speakers. it's one of the key languages for russian propaganda of the more now i'm joined by political sciences marie the martin boss squids. she's the founder and director of pro box. that's a venezuelan monitoring service to combat digital and this information, it's good to have you with us tonight. we know that politically brush and venezuela are close allies. how prominent is this information about the board in ukraine in

venezuela? oh thank you very much for is this is face actually in countries like venezuela, the current name, this information and for, for vanda eat beans ready. ok. the official information us do mention these and that's why the coupon cut our are very close allied to the russian government. and these pop up on the on the way the news of the information close enough in america. we have seen, for example, a day after a cold between my dog and 14, almost one median sweep. so, 40 russia said leave for a leave. the message says, the been a slab, the southern government west. again, this information is rented by western countries. again,

russian is very alarming because it's not only all monday installation of the formation, it's failing life of the word true in the language that it's not being maybe a study of car, uh english or this information in our erode. that is the hard. uh, it's been by very hard, but in a spanish languish we are buried behind on the spot. oh yeah it's, it's fascinating here that what you're describing, journalist independence, whaler or agents of this russian, this information campaign. i know your organization probably box monitor is digital . this information. tell me what have you observed since russia's invasion of you of ukraine began. yeah, actually in, but it's not,

it's not only some journals that are spread and this information has so special information. if the space all the power off this page of 18 petitions are spread and this information uh, is it worth the trip? uh is uh, the invasion were uh, business dictation process of the crane and the, uh, all the information we have seen from either national media on not reliable, rather than the, according to the ministry of communications in minnesota. that the, the piece here just rather off this information online, this information a twitter and all the, all nice lockson's me. so it's be, it's the, if i could just ask you, this are a all that, if i can just ask you what happens in this way. if a journal, as an independent journalist tries to report of the truth about the war,

a different narrative, it does not the confirm what the state is reporting is, is that journal is risking his or her job or even personal safety by doing that. oh, absolutely, absolutely. it started or uh you don't have traditional media too. so this information you only have social media platforms to denounce the and social media side for huh. another kind of issues, for example, all these false information that is being spread. it huge, a huge amount. so sweep by the swelling routine, and it's basically loading the conversation in social media platforms. and the goal here is not to believe in one through. it's not belief in and it is. and of course, this will probably fit in the public opinion and how these kind of issues are being

understood by the population inside the clock or the, the not in the box cuz we appreciate your time is valuable insights tonight. thank you. thanks. do you have a good night? all right, let's take a look now. some of the other stories that are making headlines this hour. you crazy, right? you have announced a prisoner exchange involving $45.00 soldiers from each side. ukraine released video with the freed mccraney and service, been an undisclosed location, and said some of the freed prisoners at fault in mario pope, and at the as of stall steel plains nato. had you're in stoughton berg says sweet and could join the alliance, added summit in lithuania. next week. the foreign ministers of sweden and turkey had been meeting in brussels. turkey has opposed to sweetness, membership, accusing of harboring terrorists, stalking back to sweden has made changes to meet turkish domain to the operator of the submersible which imploded while diving to the rest of the

titanic has suspended its operations indefinitely. ocean gate was planning to more expeditions to the wreckage site. next year, you may remember all 5 people on board the tide. many submarine. they were killed in the implosion. now back to social media, twitter has a new rival marks tucker bergs. company met up, which already owns facebook, instagram, and what's app has launched its own micro blogging platform called threads. $30000000.00 users have already signed up for the new service. twitter is threatening to sue, met the gloving rivalry between 2 of the tech world's biggest names is escalating innovation, weeks 11, musk and democracy took about a cup publicly traded. bob's with musk even tweeting a challenge to a cage fight with his rival. so that is

a new mike club looking at from facebook parent company. meta it's look is very similar to, to where to where the feet of persons featuring text photos and videos allowing users to interact in real time. so ads launch comes at the critical time for twitter. a sense of crisis has persisted. ever since. speed on muskets. okay, the last october, content motivation slashed more than half of its stuff fired. and some of its biggest advertising is concerned by a stream of technical glitches. and sudden policy announcements, as an instagram spin of threats, has a built in potential audience of over 2000000000 users. an early blog as being brought in from it's up to you can call it the must imply a ways to it's a is confused. it's down. use is, don't know what's happening, what the state to say is how they relate to switzer anymore. in london,

the launch has met cause mix reactions among social media uses. day's notice as being part of the media. social media out right now. but i think to just have it stay, i think i would just say keep theater for a while. and then if i run over that with it, matches slides live up to, the hype remains to be seen. the company ended c, e o. come with conspiracies of the own, such as the leaking of hoss or 1000000000, uses data in 2021. nevertheless, it's, it's still the biggest challenge, the trick to invest saw. and so there is hoping to see the to tech titans tested in a cage. they will just have to settle for threads versus twitter instead of more on join now by using porter season associated professors specializing in this information at george washington university. it's good to have you with this, you know, we've seen the others such as master dod, trying to overshadow it,

take take twitters place, they haven't been successful. what about the chances for threads, do you think threads is going to finally be able to needle it through this time? pardon the pun. the changes, the test of success are much higher threads the is building on the normally successive instagram threads is easy to use and threads allows users to import their existing social networks from instagram to, to my mind, it's not even close on threads, has a chance to deter on twitter in a way that and asked it on other platforms of not it what, what language that would be used. i mean with twitter, we say we've, we've tweeted stuff that we posted a tweet. what would we say on threats? we've threaded something the what language we, yes, i suppose using the front of something or posting something. the thread is, um is, is a good bit. but look, if that's the biggest problem that this platform has,

then this platform is going to be a massive success. so now they're going to be questions about what the cost of that success comes at. but again, the strength is looking like the clear competitor to twitter. and do you think that's why we've, we've heard mark sucker burger saying basically the line must have his chance to turn twitter into something bigger and he blew it. and now, you know, i'm here with red. yeah. there with that confidence is coming from as yeah, i think there's little doubt among those of us who follow twitter that must cause presided over a period of failure for the company. the platform has, has bland revenue. it's no longer a service fun and free unwilling place that once was in oftentimes twitter, the focus is on the lot of musk itself,

himself in ways that are pretty unusual. i'm threads offers the problem is there's something lighter or easier, similar to instagram, without all the most drama. the old kid can we, you know, get on threads without worrying about our information being taken. i mean, we know that instagram once have facebook, you know, they're all part of the same company. we know the history that meta has when it comes to that, that'd be that. why would we think that threads is, is any safer for our private data? sure, i think is a really good question. so those of us who monitor this information and this information have often been critical of facebook policies. but let me be clear to the policies of facebook. meta emitted general are vastly security on this front to twitter as policies under most. so if you're worried about data security, i think you're right to be, but i think you'd be much, you'd be more right to be more concerned about twitter under most. i've got 30

seconds left. what do you say then about the european union? it doesn't. we weren't, we don't have threats in the app store available right now. and it's because of this worry about what happens to your data. is the you being yeah, over worried here as a class, but again, i think it makes a lot of sense to be cautious and skeptical. is a policy makers of air in the past, and they haven't been cautious enough about social media not so i, you know, i think it's, it's great to, to, to the positive on, i mostly the regulators in the us. but also my take a look at met his behavior here on regulatory concerns and he thinks has concerns. i think that's likely to be a developing story over the next few months. even border george washington university. either we appreciate your time and your insights tonight that will be taking you as you thread. thank you. i, are you watching dw news coming up next to the point to ask whether nuclear weapons

and wagner mercenaries, and bella ruse are a threat to ukraine and native. i'll be back at the top of the hour with mobile news followed by the day i hope to see you then the

to the point clear position. international perspective. in the face of turmoil in russia, neighboring rooms is playing the increasingly active role, nuclear weapons, and wagner in bella, ruth, to crane and nato. that's our tough going to the point, the detroit,

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a field team, documents, daily life of the town. how are the people who are dealing with the growing tension? they change their world. we are with, you know, when i me inside start to joint on dw, put disarray in russia. mean gain for ukraine. although it's called her offensive has made slow progress. merot rose following the failed march on moscow by the wagner group, who's brutal tactics have spilled much ukrainian blood. the longer term fate of wagner's mercenaries could well be decided and neighboring beloved roofs.