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because of her courage and how she thinks most rain. so today wise mother, annoyed for nearly 4 decades. she's for peace for me, for brace of freedoms in their homeland. they run in spite of love buried, cries all our children should not inherit silence from us. the an income, if you look into the nice task, july 29th on w. as you have disney brig goes and the russian leader of the wagner mercenaries was last seen in public. on june 24th, the day he aborted and armed mutiny headed from us. gail and we were told that there'd been a deal that he'd move to build a roof which a date, the leader of bell, the ruth said that he's not here. troy russia. at the same time russian state t. v reported st. petersburg police and rated for goshen department. the people who
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cross russian president vladimir putin are usually poisoned, imprisoned, or they died by falling out of hospital windows until today. it looked like for goshen might just be the exception. i'm bring golf and berlin. this is the day, the one i know for sure that precaution is a free man. what is important to do is that mr. privilege appears to be traveling training tomorrow less. we don't track his movements. we need to have the opportunity no waste to do that. because things that really, really changing, i just absolutely unclear how what this story and i don't know everything about the relationship between preteen and precaution and i don't want to know everything, but pretty much to read it without comment for now
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i'll say coming up middle boss mark the sucker bird says 11 mazda had the chance to make twitter into something bigger and better, but he blew it. had to stay. i think anything can basically rival tristan how, what days yeah, i mean, i must either, must, was completely range research. was you our viewers watching and cbs in the united states, into of all of you around the world? welcome. we begin the day with more of the mysteries surrounding the man in charge of rushes, wagner mercenary group, denny progressions, whereabouts are unknown to night. after his board and insurrection 2 weeks ago, he agreed to move to build a roof. now that is according to the leader of bela bruce, alexander lucas shank out today. a surprising change of venue like a shane co saying that the wagner boss is no longer in beller reuss,
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probably somewhere in russia. and about the same time, state television and rush that reported the police in rated provisions home in saint petersburg and discovered go money, a collection of wigs along with numerous fake passports. the wagner boss has not been been seen in public since the failed rebellion back in june when he and his soldiers for hire attempted to march on the russian capital of that revolt ended. when bela roosting president, alexander, look a shame joe says that he stepped in and broke or to deal between wagner and the kremlin, that deal called for promotion to move to build the roof and return rush. it would pursue no charges against him. like a shrink. i said the wagner mercenaries could also relocate to bell a ruse, just like your boss. apparently that has not happened. but can you share your but the moment, the question that transfer and set up as not yet being decided,
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they will depend on the decisions taken by the russian leadership and the wagner group. if they consider it necessary to station a set number of valves and assign to embarrass for rest, training and so on, we will fulfill that decision. sonya with me speaking, we don't track his business. we need to have the opportunity all ways to do that. and also look, a shank of said that he has plans to meet with the russian president. so the duction done. well indeed, the 2 presidents boots in and look a single they communicate quite often into opinion to put you on. oh gosh, i'm kind of just how i did not recall on all of that telephone conversations. hi, 2 different function, right. let's see if there's a line from the kremlin. let's go now to our rush analysts konstantin acre. he joins me from vilnius and lithuania because i think it's good to see you. i know that you've been working your sources, whether you're hearing about provisions,
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whereabouts branch about, you know, forces in this case could be owing to either mr. fortune or mr. pre gordon. voss uh, i do not have access to that. uh, what i think to me uh, it's just different uh, just by us from reading a lot of for russian telecom kind of speaking to one po number which is a restriction which was by some means of pretty gordon is probably probably neither in be able to was nor in rush, and frankly i totally understand because you yourself are put in the enemies of the end up dead. and the guardian knows that that's something that a lot of people or so much suspicion is that he slipped out all this kind of reach of log into the coach and was
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a little more shingle. was saying about the mustang soldiers under basic and it should be a testifies to the fact that the part of the group, at least as far as rushing upside is probably no longer well, where were progressing, go in, in your, you know, educated guess your opinion that would give him the most amount of safety. what do you have to go to? what africa as i think of africa, that would be quite risky for him. i can only guess. maybe he has passports, not, not only russian cost me, but his money. he could have bought himself any kind of investment passports in the account of the for example, when i see your logo is pending, where, where are we, where can we can be accessed, reached easily by the may call comforts. mm hm. and the closest the
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lines of setting 0 and you know, south korea, japan. so i'd say, well, maybe it's new, lease me, that's our nature. but maybe it's the caribbean and roughly passport does have a different but so you have these russian passports with different names. the keys photo frequently, frankly, these guides me then why not by possible. we're not going to name the countries, not everyone knows that give passports for investment. you're describing the plot of almost like a james bond movie here. i mean, if this is indeed the case, if he has, you know, gotten out of, of the country in disguise. what about the images we sold today on russian state televisions, i'm claiming that police in st. petersburg had at some point, rated the residents of production, and what they found were bars of gold, money, fig passports, lots of wigs. i mean, it's,
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everything you would need for this. james bond thriller, you know, looking at pictures from regardless of calls of what attracted me, a general even every time. every time there is a search in russia and boots and wants to make, you know, one of the boy yars paid for the coast to go. you'll receive his gold watches cash, so on this one. but the thing that the truck might actually even more than weeks influence, possibles, it's this huge pack of rushing money in minutes notes. we've all read all the details of the price from the branch, the the deposits location of the bank of rush. i've spoken to financial experts and they said that to get such kind of money
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such package, you really have to deal with the very, very high level of the default of just because the sum of all some money. and that just was the pre garza most popular 18 when absolutely full control over at least elements of the russian state. and that basically shows us that something really went wrong with him during this region law school and probably some of his allies in the last moment you can doubt. but there is a lot of that's. she was very, very intimately linked to the very high actual on the russian. so he may go down in history as the one who got away when were talking about, you know, those who dared to cross vladimir putin. and what about the these, the thousands of wagner mercenaries who were with him in this a boarded insurrection attempt on the 24th of june. what's going to have,
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what's gonna happen to them? do we know what their fate is going to be? well, the official suggestion to that was during the next moment, what about harmony will not pay them as much of the russian army will subject them to the evidence of discipline. and that do not exist in nursery farms. and um, i think the problem is this illusion actually by the garden, and by presume i'm playing just just, i'm just think a lot of the movie what would be try. so there must be a lot of bizarre to fight, especially for smaller sums of money. and i do not believe that the lot of the person, the then we go enjoy the on the bottom. and i, what i can imagine is that other people will be delegated to create a new project management company as well. so child be old on the rights and use them an effort,
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go somewhere else. we have no testimony. we have no information that for example, the operations in an effort to buttons. so maybe they're going to be focused. yeah, the ones the other way and the never ending story. the w. rush analysts, konstantin, and get companies always. thank you. fascinating. getting your analysis. thank you break. well, there has been no lit up in rushes. attacks on you crate today of russian missile strike of the ukrainian city, levine killed at least drive people with injured dozens. mort levine is located in western ukraine far from the front lines, and yet it has come under repeated attack. the mayor says this attack or this latest air strike, is the worst to hit the cities civilian infrastructure since the start of the war. shoak written all over that faces, neighbors, friends and family, dead or finally injured, a community fall from the front line. but now at the center of this devastating
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goal, you said you russians are helping us. that's how they like us. i'm sorry for those people who were killed, they were young, so sorry for them. in tie of flows of this apartment building and live be destroyed, cause turned into twisted scraps of metal. i came back and found out that my mother had died. my neighbors had died. this point, it seems that i was the only one who survived from the 4th floor. it's a miracle. this, the truth is the worst if it was for the rescue, whereas we wouldn't have got highest of the apartment. they broke down the door and left the size. i have no apartment, nothing. i can't talk anymore. i'm left with eyes anything. ukraine says russia
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attacked living with cruise missiles, which were known from the black sea. it says 7 was shot down with 3 go through. as you can see, the main restroom go is, of course, the destruction of the ukrainian people. this is a war to the day, but we will, when we are holding onto the search for survivors continues. as does the clean up these people's lives will never be the same again. is this truly the twilight of twitter? mark zuckerberg is building on it? is company meta, which owns facebook, instagram in whatsapp has launched its own micro blogging platform and it's called threads. millions of people have already signed a twitter. you may remember last users and advertisers after it was taken over by
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you on most last year. there are some more now i don't want to pull in joshua tucker. he's a professor of politics at the georgia center for the advance study of russia. he's also co director of the n y. you center for social media and politics. it's good to have you with us this evening. you know, threads is basically just out of the gates and already there are reports we, we've got to a twitter um getting a cease and desist order against threads. how do you read this? well, i read it as twitter must see trends as a threat at this point, which is a bit more than it has a re, a bit more than how it is, reacted to some of the other twitter clones that we've seen emerging in the last couple of by the last, you know, year or so, since you must took over twitter. the big question here right around the lawsuits, of course, is going to be how do you prove this? how do you prove that there was intellectual property threats that here in a world where there are already lots of different social media platforms that all look fairly similar to each other. so in terms of legal side of things we're going
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to have to, we're going to have to, um, you know, wait and see what happens. but it is interesting. the numbers i size of a couple hours ago was they were claiming they already had 30000000 people who had signed up for threads. and clearly twitter has been, you know, pushed to take action at this point. and i understand too that they're, they're trying to, to get people to use their instagram log in to get in to threads. now we know that instagram has a 1000000 users worldwide. let me just the sheer numbers here of these numbers obviously make the chances of for threads to be the one to the throne. twitter makes those chance is as good as anybody's doesn't. it are. right? i mean, so this has been the pattern we've seen with social media of companies and social media platforms, which is that when you don't introduce something new, what we call a new affordance, a new characteristic of the platform, it's very hard to the throne, the incumbent, like if you look at upstarts that have been successful, you have things like twitter which introduce micro blogging or i instagram which
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introduce sharing photos or tick tock which introduce short form videos. and since may i ask, who's taking over twitter, we've seen lots of different kind of various types of twitter clowns that have come about. we've seen truth social, we've seen blue sky, we've seen mastodon, and then there's more of these out there. and in all cases, there's a bit of fanfare when they 1st started off or, or something happens on twitter that people think is going to lead to more people go into these platforms. but then they kind of feed, right? because they don't really offer anything new. and we don't really have a good example of a social media platform that has, you know, gotten to the level of prominence of like a tick tock without actually having anything new to it. but as you said, what does differentiate threads from the all these other attempts previously to come up with that kind of twitter alternative is the power of meta and the power of how many users this has to, has been very interesting to see, for example, that they did launch this threats has been launch is essentially a part of or an addendum to instagram. and so it does make it when you so i went
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and signed up last night with soon as you sign up, the 1st thing they ask you do is you, would you like to follow everybody who you're currently following on instagram? if they were to bring to bear the power of other networks that they have people in such a space, but or even what's app it does give this gives threats an advantage on some of these other platforms that at but it's still an up till about. it's doing up to about yeah, you know, we can't find a sign up for a tear into your p and union because there are concerns here in the you about, you know, protection and private data there. all kinds of concerns of attached to anything that is attached to mother and facebook. for example, the facebook being used by the russians to influence us presidential elections. how concerned should people be that threads could be used by the russians to put out this information about the war in ukraine moving forward? so yeah, i mean, so this is the question with all social media platforms. now,
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right social media platforms have tremendously reduced the barrier to sharing information, whether it's text based information that we see in threads. it's videos that we see and tick tock or youtube photos and combinations that we see and facebook or instagram. this is always the issue, it is reduce the barriers to sharing information. so it makes it a lot easier for anyone to share information then they want to do previously. now, one thing we know from social science research is that the vast majority of the information that gets shared on the social media media platforms and on the internet generally, the vast majority of it is, is, you know, correct information or opinionated information with this kind of what we worry about with these kind of disinformation campaigns, they're kind of a small drop in the bucket, but you're absolutely right to ask. we have a new social media platform. we now have to ask, what are going to be the controls on it, to control this information here in the united states. the question of this information has gotten a highly politicized, and what platforms do about it. and so each one of these times whenever we get one of these new platforms gets a question of how the platform is going to seek to control it. now in the case of
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again with trends, what makes it different from the launch of say, blue sky or the launch of say mass it on and asking about content. moderation is that meto already has a massive content, moderation operation that it is employed in terms of facebook and in terms of instagram and is obviously thinking about in terms of the matter versus in terms of all these different questions. so in terms of, should we be concerned about a new social media platform being a vector for it, for acrobat actors, to try to utilize that platform to share information that could be harmful? sure, we should be worried about this. but this again, is new in the sense that we've got an offer to, we've got here a platform that has a long history as far as long goes and the social media era of trying to think about content, moderation, and deal with these kind of threat better so again it's, it's a little bit different than just a new upstart. yeah, i mean we're going maybe possibly from tweeting to threading what to see what happens. josh, we're talking, we appreciate your time in your valuable insights and night. thank you. thanks so
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much for having me or or russia is not just using bombs and missiles against ukraine. it's international propaganda. war has been deployed half truths, rumors and this information in a variety of languages and with more than 500000000 speakers. spanish is a key vehicle for generating a sympathetic russian narrative. 6 of june, 2023. the novak hoff got them collapses and ukraine and videos like this one shared and viewed thousands of times in the spanish speaking world. but of course, there are many fakes. this use a here claims that this video shows the moment when the them exploded. this is the fleeting. yes, we see the same them, but a reversed image search shows the video was published in november 2022. the tweet blames ukrainians for the exposure and latest them as nauseous. many other use us
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use the same description like and these tweets calling ukrainians. nazis is one of the major and narratives of this war by spanish speaking accounts spreading this information. looking at the content on ukraine, russian state backed accounts have use the term nazi 50 percent more often since the invasion and according to experts. there's a reason for this. also let in america, it's a very quick way of generating rejection towards the government by linking it to not citizens. another major disinformation narrative focuses on lensky himself. is crediting ukraine's president as a person and politician to legitimize the war this video, which was few thousands of times, claims to lensky wants to war to continue as a reaction european poly meant terry and to leave the session. but this claim is false. reverse image search and the science on the tables lead us to the origin of
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the video, an austrian paul even session earlier this year. here politicians of the far right austin, s p policy that leave the room during the speech presidency. however, he didn't say that he wanted the war to continue. but why is the lensky often to target himself best? so now you have a language realizing versus war on a character and described to me that character as an ad hominem operation, that propaganda austin, employees find that that major narrative focuses on infectious. they have become an important tool of russian propaganda in spanish. recent studies shows of the 15 most were tweeted accounts surveyed 7 for independence. spanish speaking influence of one such spanish speaking, influence that leo via go she shares misleading claims about the war with thousands of all the words. the goal hosting support for the russian government did not for the is that must be and she has been doing so throughout the course of the war.
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here she's explaining how well russians are rebuilding my review for the city and south east and ukraine. this claim is misleading. the via doesn't mention that russia was the one to destroy the city. she only shows how it is now building new apartments or playground. and according to studies, she's not the only influence of spreading russian narrative in spanish. one though, a lot language official information is discredited. there is an attempt to turn to other voices how the citizen voices tend to be more credible than so much. the tough truce rumors and this information, all in all a way of strengthening rushing perspectives on the war and ukraine. the russians have an opening there because they can dress themselves up as being different from the western world. and it's a significant opening with a global reach of almost 500000000 spanish speakers. it's one of the languages for
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russian propaganda. the tweeting, threading, when police force india the retaining an antiquated perch to do their communicating and talking about carrier pigeons. now we want to be clear here. the wind messengers are not the main mode of communication for the police, but the cop say they do see this as a feather in their care. i'm really from the past for police in india, eastern a visa speed, these home in pigeons. i'd have tried and tested tradition. they have been trained to get important messages just in case morton communication systems feed into the pigeon county as of yet we haven't since 1994 to 6 and the service was busy going to use for communicating from one station to another station
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. no v help kept it as a heritage. as i say, the one you think with us here in just to be of course more than 100 boats go to the exercise a copper or a plastic cap. food containing a message estate to the beach and slick. they are then released fully expected to reach the destination. the birds have long been used by the festive parties. up until 2006 gave you a pigeon square still unimportant. we defend messages between a dfcs 400 police stations that are so many story that we're re, i guess coming your middle coming in, sending a message, okay, when it's being caught, you know, somebody coming to the murder and natalie sent a message by the pigeon. he wasn't the separate on the name of the police. the, you know, foreclosure has so many accounts of how the pigeons have ended very whitefield services, you know, in times and on. it's hard to see the train that you'd be doing this can slide up
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our series guardians of truth watch now on youtube dw documentary the this is dw news live from berlin tonight, the mercenary mystery. where is the russian, wagner, boss, guinea, for goshen. we thought that he was inside the roof until today when the leader of bella, ruth said that for goshen is probably in russia. also coming up a russian rock in strength of the ukrainian city of leave kills at least 5.
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