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the, the you have good, any pre goes in. the russian leader of the wagner mercenaries was last seen in public on june 24th, the day he aborted and armed mutiny headed from us. gail and we were told that there'd been a deal that he'd move to bill a roof which a date the leader of bell, the ruth said that he's not here. troy russia. at the same time russian state t. v reported st. petersburg police and rated for goshen department or the people who cross russian president vladimir putin are usually poisoned, imprisoned, or they died by falling out of hospital windows until today. it looked like for goshen. might just be the exception. i'm bring golf and berlin. this is the day, the
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one i know for sure that precaution is a free man. what is important to do is that mr. privilege appears to be traveling screen. it's more or less. we don't track his movements. we need to have the opportunity to know ways to do that because things that really, really changing. i just absolutely unclear how what this story and just give sure i don't know everything about the relationship between pretend and precautions. and i don't want to know everything about the pretty much to read it without comment. for now i'll say coming up, middle boss mark the sucker berg says 11 months had the chance to make twitter into something bigger and better. but he blew it, had to stay. i think anything can basically rival tristan how would days yeah, i mean i must eat on muskets completely range research was you our viewers
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watching and cbs in the united states into of all of you around the world. welcome . we begin the day with more of the mysteries surrounding the man in charge of rushes, wagner mercenary group, denny for goshen. whereabouts are unknown to night after his board and insurrection 2 weeks ago, he agreed to move to build a roof. now that is according to the leader of bela bruce, alexander lucas shank out today. a surprising change of venue like a shane co saying that the wagner boss is no longer in beller roofs problem. going somewhere in russia, and about the same time, state television and rush, i reported the police and rated provisions home in saint petersburg and discovered go money, a collection of wigs, along with numerous fake passports. the wagner boss has not been been seen in public since the failed rebellion back in june when he and his soldiers for hire attempted to march on the russian capital of that revolt ended when belo routine
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president alexander lucas jenko shows that he stepped in and broke or to d oh, between wagner and the kremlin that deal called for provision to move to build the roof and return rush, it would pursue no charges against him. look, i think i said the wagner mercenaries could also relocate to bell ruse, just like their boss. apparently, that has not have to click on it to, to show you about the moment of the question that transfer and set up as not yet being decided. they will depend on the decisions taken by the russian leadership and the wagner group. if they consider it necessary to station a set number of 5 and a fine to embarrass the rest training and so on, we will fulfill that decision. sonya with me speaking, we don't track his business. we need to have the opportunity and all ways to do
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that. also look, i think a said that he has plans to meet with the russian presidents. well, indeed, the 2 presidents boots in and look at jenco. they communicate quite often and to a page in to put you on your desktop. how would you not report on all of that telephone conversations from the section? right. let's see if there's a line from the kremlin. let's go now to our rush analysts, konstantin acres. he joins me from vilnius and lithuania because i think it's good to see you. i know that you've been working your sources, whether you're hearing about promotions, whereabouts, branching out, you know, forces in this case could be only to either mr. fortune or mr. pretty good. both uh, i do not have access to them. uh, what i think to me uh, it's just different uh, just by us from reading a lot of for russian telecom from me and speaking to one po, number which is
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a restriction which was by swedes. of pre gordon is probably probably neither embellish nor in russian. and frankly, i totally understand because you yourself are put in the enemies of the end up dead. and the guardian knows it best of them. a lot of other people so much suspicion is that he slipped out all of this kind of reach of luck in the future. and what was saying about the mercenary soldiers under basic and it should be a testifies to the fact that the part of the group at least as far as rushes, i'm sorry, is probably no longer here. well, where would for goes in, go in, in your, you know, educated guess your opinion that would give him the most amount of safety. what do
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you have to go to? what africa as i think of africa, that would be quite risky for him. i can only guess, maybe he has passports, not, not only russian cost me, but his money. you could have bought himself any kind of investment possible to him . you know, the kind of deal for example, where i see your logo is pending. where, where are we, where can we can be accessed, reached easily by the may call comforts. mm hm. and the closest the lines of setting zealand, you know, south korea, japan. so i'd say, well, maybe it's me, least me, that's our nature. but maybe it's in the caribbean and roughly possible does have a different but so you have these russian passports with different names. the keys photo frequently, slightly disguised me, then why not buy a possible?
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we're not going to name the countries. not everyone knows that to get passports for investment. you're describing the plot of almost like a james bond movie here. i mean, if this is indeed the case, if he has gotten out of, of the country in disguise. what about the images we sold today on russian state televisions, i'm claiming that police in st. petersburg had at some point, rated the residents of production, and what they found were bars of gold, money, fig passports, lots of wigs. i mean, it's everything you would need for this james bond thriller, you know, looking at pictures from recordings, calls of what attracted me, a general even every time. every time there is a search in russia and boots and wants to make, you know, one of the boy yars paid for the coast to go. you'll receive his gold watches,
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cash, so on this one. but the thing that attracted my attention, even though the whigs influence possible, it's this huge pack of rushing money. uh, the minute the note's with all the, all the details of the price from the branch, the uh, or the location of the bank or russian. i've spoken to financial experts and they said that to get such kind of money such package, you really have to deal with the very, very high level of the default of this because the sum of all some money. and that just was the pre garza most popular 18 when absolutely full control over at least the elements of the russian sex. and that basically shows us
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that something really went wrong with him during this region law school and probably some of his allies in the last moment you can doubt. but there is a lot of that's, she was very, very intimately links to the very high actually on the russian. so he may go down in history as the one who got away when were talking about, you know, those who dared to cross vladimir putin. and what about the, these, the thousands of wagner mercenaries who were with him in this a boarded insurrection? attempt on the 24th of june. um, what's gonna have, what's gonna happen to them? do we know what their fee is going to be? the official suggestion to that was during the original rationale will not pay them as much of the rough law may be subject them to the evidence of discipline. and that do not exist in nursery farms. and um,
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i think the problem is this illusion actually by the garden and by poop playing just just i'm just thinking a lot of the movie, what would be try. so there must be a lot of bizarre to fight, especially for smaller sums of money. and i do not believe that the lot of the person that the come up with then will go and join the ball. and i, what i can imagine is that other people will be delegated to create a new project management company as well. so child be old on the right and use them an effort, go somewhere else. we have no testimony. we have no information that for example, the operations in an effort to but not so maybe that good to be focused. yeah. the one thing other way and the never ending story. the w. rush analysts, konstantin, and get companies always. thank you. fascinating. getting your analysis. thank you, right well, there has been no lit up in rushes. attacks on you crate today of russian missile
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strike of the ukrainian city of levine killed at least drive people in injured dozens. mort levine is located in western ukraine. far from the front lines and yet it has come under repeated attack. the mayor says this attack, or this latest air strike, is the worst to hit the cities civilian infrastructure since the start of the war. shoak written all over the faces, neighbors, friends and family dead or find lee injured, a community fall from the front line. but now at the center of this devastating goal. you said you russians are helping us. that's how they like us. i'm sorry for those people who were killed, they were young, so sorry for them. in tie of flows of this apartment building and lives destroyed,
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cause turned into twisted scraps of metal. i came back and found out that my mother had died. my neighbors had died. this point, it seems that i was the only one who survived from the 4th floor. it's a miracle. there's the worst if it was for the rescue, whereas we wouldn't have got highest of the apartment. they broke down the door and less of size. i have no apartment, nothing. i can't talk anymore. i'm left with eyes anything. ukraine says russia attacked lives with cruise missiles, which would known from the black sea. it says 7 was shot down with 3 go through. as you can see, the main russian go is, of course, the destruction of the ukrainian people. this is a war to the day, but we will, when we are holding onto the search for survivors
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continues. as does the clean up these people's lives will never be the same again. is this truly the twilight of twitter? mark zuckerberg is building on it? is company meta, which owns facebook, instagram in whatsapp has launched its own micro blogging platform and it's called threads. millions of people have already signed a twitter. you may remember last users and advertisers after it was taken over by you on most last year or more. yeah, i don't want to pull in joshua tucker. he's a professor of politics at the georgia center for the advanced study of russia. he's also co director of the n y. you center for social media and politics. it's good to have you with us this evening. you know, threads is basically just out of the gates and already there are reports we've, we've got to what twitter of getting a cease and desist order against threads. how do you read this?
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well, i read it as twitter must see trends as a threat at this point, which is a bit more than it has a bit more than how it is, reacted to some of the other twitter clones that we've seen emerging in the last couple of by the last, you know, year or so, since you must have over twitter. the big question here right around the lawsuits, of course, is going to be how do you prove this? how do you prove that there was intellectual property threats that here in a world where there are already lots of different social media platforms that all look fairly similar to each other. so in terms of legal side of things we're going to have to, we're going to have to, um, you know, wait and see what happens. but it is interesting. the numbers i size of a couple hours ago was they were claiming they already had 30000000 people who had signed up for threads. and clearly twitter has been, you know, pushed to take action at this point. and i understand too that they're, they're trying to, to get people to use their instagram log in to get in to threads. now we know that histogram has a 1000000 users worldwide. i mean,
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just the sheer numbers here of these numbers obviously make the chances of for threads to be the one to the throne. twitter makes those chance is as good as anybody's doesn't. it are. right? i mean, so this has been the pattern we've seen with social media of companies and social media platforms, which is that when you don't introduce something new, what we call a new affordance, a new characteristic of the platform, it's very hard to be thrown, the incumbent like if you look at upstarts that have been successful, you have things like twitter which introduced micro blogging or i instagram which introduce sharing photos or tick tock which introduce short form videos. and since may i ask, who's taking over twitter, we've seen lots of different kind of various types of twitter clowns that have come about. we've seen truth social, we've seen blue sky. we see mastodon and then there's more of these out there. and in all cases, there's a bit of fanfare when they 1st started off or, or something happens on twitter that people think is going to lead to more people go into these platforms. but then they kind of fade, right,
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because they don't really offer anything new. and we don't really have a good example of a social media platform that has, you know, gotten to the level of prominence of like a tick tock without actually having anything new to it. but as you said, what does differentiate threads from the all these other attempts previously to come up with that kind of twitter alternative is the power of meta and the power of how many users is has. so it's been very interesting to see, for example, that they did launch. these threats has been launch is essentially a part of or an addendum to instagram. and so it does make it when you saw i went and signed up last night with soon as you sign up, the 1st thing they ask you do is you, would you like to follow everybody who you're currently following on instagram? if they were to bring to bear the power of other networks that they have people in such as space, but or even what's app it does give this gives threats an advantage. and then some of these other platforms are at, but it's still an up till about yeah, it's doing up to about yeah, you know, we can't find a sign up for a tear into your p and union because there are concerns here in the you about,
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you know, protection to private data there, all kinds of concerns of attached to anything that is attached to mother and facebook. for example, the facebook is being used by the russians to influence us presidential elections. how concerned should people be that threads could be used by the russians to put out this information about the war in ukraine moving forward? yeah, i mean, so this is the question with all social media platforms. now right social media platforms have tremendously reduced the barrier to sharing information, whether it's tech space information that we see and threads. it's videos that we see in tick tock or youtube, photos and combinations that we see and facebook or instagram. this is always the issue, it is reduce the barriers to sharing information. so it makes it a lot easier for anyone to share information then they want to do previously. now, one thing we know from social science research is that the vast majority of the
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information that gets shared on the social media media platforms and on the internet generally, the vast majority of it is, is, you know, correct information or opinionated information. what this kind of, what we worry about with these kind of just information campaigns. they're kind of a small drop in the bucket, but you're absolutely right to ask. we have a new social media platform. we now have to ask, what are going to be the controls on it, to control this information here in the united states. the question of this information has gotten a highly politicized, and what platforms do about it. and so each one of these times, whenever we get one of these new platforms, it's a question of how the platform is going to seek to control it. now in the case of again with threads, what makes it different from the launch of say, blue sky or the launch of a master don and asking about content moderation is that meto already has a massive content moderation operation that it is employed in terms of facebook and in terms of instagram and is obviously thinking about in terms of the matters in terms of all these different questions. so in terms of, should we be concerned about a new social media platform being a vector for act,
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for bad actors to try to utilize that platform to share information that could be harmful? sure, we should be worried about this. but this, again, is new in the sense that we've got an offer to, we've got here a platform that has a long history as far as long goes into social media era of trying to think about content, moderation, and deal with these kind of threat vector. so again it's, it's a little bit different than just a new upstart. yeah, i mean, we're going maybe possibly from tweeting to threading what to see what happens. josh, we're talking, we appreciate your time in your valuable insights tonight. thank you. thanks so much for having me. or russia is not just using bombs and missiles against ukraine. it's international propaganda. war has been deployed half truths, rumors and this information in a variety of languages and with more than 500000000 speakers. spanish is a key vehicle for generating a sympathetic russian narrative. 6 of june, 2023,
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the novak hoff got them collapses, and ukraine and videos like this one shared and viewed thousands of times in the spanish speaking world. but of course, there are many fakes. this use a here claims that this video shows the moment when the them exploded. this, this is leading. yes, we see the same them, but a reversed image search shows the video was published in november 2022. the tweet blames ukrainians for the exposure at the latest them as nazis. many other use us use the same description like in these tweets calling ukrainians. nazis is one of the major narratives of this war by spanish speaking accounts spreading this information. looking at the content on ukraine, russian state back accounts have use the term nazi 50 percent more often since the invasion and according to experts. there's a reason for this. also let in america,
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it's a very quick way of generating rejection towards the government by linking it to not citizens. another major dis, information. narrative focuses on lensky himself. is crediting ukraine's president as a person and politician to legitimize the war this video, which was few thousands of times, claims the lensky ones, the war to continue as a reaction european poly metairie and to leave the session. but this claim is false . reverse image search and the science on the tables lead us to the origin of the video, an austrian paul, even session earlier this year. here politicians of the far right austin s p. policy that leave the room during the speech by the lensky. however, he didn't say that he wanted the war to continue. but why is the lensky often to target himself 1st? so now you have a language realizing versus war on a character and described to me that character as an ad hominem operation,
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that propaganda also, employees find that not that major narrative focuses on infectious. they have become an important tool of russian propaganda in spanish. recent studies shows of the 15 most were tweeted accounts surveyed 7 for independence. spanish speaking influence of one such spanish speaking influenza. as leo savannah, you go, she shares this leading claims about the war with thousands of all the words. the goal hosting support for the russian government did not for the is said, and she has been doing so throughout the course of the war. here she's explaining how well russians are rebuilding my review for the city and south east and ukraine . this claim is misleading to via doesn't mention that russia was the one to destroy the city. she only shows how it is now building new apartments or playground. and according to studies, she's not the only influence of spreading russian narrative in spanish. one though,
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a lot like when official information is discredited, there is an attempt to turn to other voices, how the citizen voices tend to be more credible is that might could be tough truth rumors and this information all in all a way of strengthening rushing perspectives on the war and ukraine, the russians have an opening there because they can dress themselves up as being different from the western world. and it's a significant opening with a global reach of almost 500000000 spanish speaking. it's one of the languages for russian propaganda. the tweeting, threading, when police force india the retaining an antiquated perch to do their communicating and talking about carrier pigeons. now we want to be clear here. the wind messengers are not the main mode of communication for the police, but the cops say they do see this as
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a feather in their cap. i'm really from the past for police in india, eastern avisa speed, these homing regions. i've tried and tested tradition. they have been trying to get important messages just in case morton communication systems feed. because the pigeon county as of yet we have it since 1994 to $6.00 and the service was busy going to use for communicating from one station to another station . now v help kept it as a heritage, as i say, the one. the other thing with us here in just to be of course more than 100 birds, go through the exercise a copper plastic capsule containing a message of state to the beach and slick. they are then released fully expected to reach the destination. the books have long been used by was the 1st the parties
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up until 2006 gave you a pigeon square still unimportant. we defend messages between a dfcs 400 police stations that are so many story that we're re, i just coming to our middle coming and sending a message. okay, minutes being caught, you know, somebody coming in to murder anatomy. they sent a message with the pigeon. he wasn't the separate on the name of the police. the, you know, foreclosure has so many accounts of how the pigeons have attended very white to services, you know, in times and on. it's hard to see the gene that you can slide up to 25. could on the different back and the memory, and it could have see of destination means in fact, for us to watch out where you're standing. today's almost done the conversation you think he's online to find us on twitter at the w needs. you can follow me on twitter at bridge dot tv and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then in the,
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