[000:00:00;00] the guinea per goes and the russian leader of the wagner mercenaries was last seen in public. on june 24th, the day he aborted and armed mutiny headed from la scale. and we were told that there'd been a deal that he'd move to build a roof which a day, the leader of bell. ruth said that he's not here. try russia at the same time watching state t. v reported st. petersburg police and rated provisions apartments. the people who cross russian president vladimir putin are usually poisoned, imprisoned, or they died by falling out of hospital windows until today. it looked like per goshen,

might just be the exception. i'm bring golf and berlin. this is the day. the one i know for sure that precaution is a free man. what is important to do is that mr. privilege appears to be traveling free and it's more or less. we don't track his movements. we need to have the opportunity, no ways to do that. because things that really, really change and that is absolutely unclear how what this story and just give sure i don't know everything about the relationship between putin and precaution, and i don't want to know everything about the pretty much to read it without comment. for now i'll say coming up middle boss mark deducted, berg says 11 most had the chance to make twitter into something bigger and better, but he blew it just had to stay. i think anything can basically rival tristan how are days?

yeah, i mean, i must eat on muskets completely range research was you, our viewers watching on cbs in the united states inch of all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with more of the mysteries surrounding the man in charge of rushes, wagner mercenary group. if getting progressions whereabouts are unknown tonight. after his board and insurrection 2 weeks ago, he agreed to move to bella. ruth's now that is according to the leader of bela bruce, alexander lucas shank. help with today. a surprising change of venue like a shane. co saying that the wagner boss is no longer in bella. russo probably going somewhere in russia and about the same time, state television and rush that reported the police and rated provisions home in saint petersburg and discovered go money, a collection of wigs, along with numerous fate passports. the wagner boss has not been been seen in public since the failed rebellion back in june when he and his soldiers for hire

attempted to march on the russian capital of that revolt ended. when bela roosting president, alexander, look a shake of it says that he stepped in and broke or to deal between wagner and the kremlin. that deal called for provision to move to build the roof and return rush. it would pursue no charges against him. like i think i said the wagner mercenaries could also relocate to bell a ruse, just like their boss. apparently that has not have to to, to, to show you about the moment of the question that transfer and set up as not yet being decided. they will depend on the decisions taken by the russian leadership of the wagner group. if they consider it necessary to stay in a set number of wagner, scientists and belarus for rest training and so on, we will fulfill that decision sonya with me speech and we don't track his business

. we need to have the opportunity no waste to do that. also look a shank a said that he has plans to meet with the russian president so well indeed, the 2 presidents boots in and look a single that communicate quite often. do i pay again to put you on? ok, i'm can you just, how would you not report on all of that telephone conversations? you go to function. all right, let's see if there's a line from the kremlin. let's go now to our rush analysts, konstantin acres. he joins me from vilnius in lithuania because i think it's good to see you. i know that you've been working your sources, whether you're hearing about provisions, whereabouts branch about, you know, forces in this case could be owing to either mr. fortune or mr. pre gordon. voss uh i do not have access to them. uh what i think to me uh, it's just different uh, just by us from reading

a lot of for russian telegram from me and speaking to one po number which is a restriction which was by suite of pretty gordon is probably probably neither in bill. it was northern russian, and frankly, i totally understand because you yourself are put in the enemies of the end up dead. and the guardian knows it better than a lot of other people. so much suspicion is that he slipped off all this kind of reach of the coach and walked lacrisha was saying about the mercenary soldiers under basic. and it should be a testifies to the fact that the part of the group, at least as far as the rushing upside, is probably no longer well, where would, for goes in, go in, in your, you know, educated guess your opinion that would give him the most amount of safety,

what do you have to go to? what africa or i think in africa, that would be quite risky for him. i can only guess. maybe he has passports, not, not only rushing past me, but his money, he could have bought himself any kind of investment possible to him. you know, the kind of the, for example, where i think, you know, go anywhere where are we, where can we can be accessed, reached easily by the may call comforts. mm hm. and that will just the lines of setting zealand, you know, south korea, japan. so i'd say, well, maybe some, the lease made it somewhere in a box, maybe the caribbean, and roughly possible it does have a different plan. so we have these russian passports with different names on consumption. frequently, slightly, these guys, me then why not buy a box,

but we're not going to name the countries, not everyone knows that give passports for investment. you know, you're describing the plot of almost like a james bond movie here. i mean, if this is indeed the case, if he has, you know, gotten out of, of the country in disguise. what about the images we sold today on russian state televisions, i'm claiming that police in st. petersburg had at some point, rated the residence of production, and what they found were bars of gold, money, fig passports, lots of wigs. i mean, it's, everything you would need for this. james bond thriller. you know, looking at pictures from recordings, calls of what attracted me, a general even every time every time there is a search in russia and boots and wants to make, you know, one of the boy yars paid for the coach to go from rich,

you'll receive his gold watches cash, so on this one. but the thing that attracted my attention, even more than weeks influence possibles, it's this huge pack of rushing money. the minute the note's with all the details of the price and the branch, the uh, the deposits the location of the bank of rush. i've spoken to financial experts and they said that's to get such kind of money. such package, you really have to deal with the very, very high level of the default of just because the some extra money. and that just was the 3 guards are most popular 18 when absolutely full control over at least the elements of the russian sex. and that basically shows us that

something really went wrong with him during this region law school and probably some of his allies in the last moment. she can doubt. but there is a lot of that's, she was very, very intimately links to very high actually on the russian. so he may go down in history as the one who got away when were talking about, you know, those who dared to cross vladimir putin. and what about the these, the thousands of wagner mercenaries who were with him in this a boarded insurrection attempt on the 24th of june. what's gonna have, what's gonna happen to them? do we know what their fee is going to be? the official suggestion to that was during the long run for me will not pay them as much of the rest long even subject them to the evidence of discipline. and that do not exist in nursery farms. and um,

i think the problem with this illusion is actually by the garden. and by poor thing just just, i'm just trying to think what would be try. so there must be a lot of bizarre to fight, especially for smaller sums of money. and i do not believe that the lot of the person that i don't know that the local, then we'll go and join the ball. and i, what i can imagine is that other people will be delegated to create a new project management company as well. so child be old on the rights and use them an effort, go somewhere else. we have no testimony. we have no information that for example, the operations in an effort to but not so maybe that good to be focused. yeah. the one thing other way and the never ending story. the w. rush analysts, konstantin, and good companies always think you fascinating, getting your analysis. thank you right. well, there has been no lit up in rushes attacks on ukraine today,

or russian missile strike of the ukrainian city of levine killed at least drive people have injured dozens more. levine is located in western ukraine far from the front lines. and yet it has come under repeated attack. the mayor says this attack, or this latest air strike, is the worst to hit the cities and civilian infrastructure since the start of the war. shoak, written all over the faces, neighbors, friends and family dead will find li, injured communities fall from the front line. but now at the center of this devastating goal, a few russians are heading us. that's how they like us. i'm sorry for those people who were killed, they were young, so sorry for them in tie of flows of this apartment building and lives destroyed,

cause turned into twisted scraps of metal results. and i came back and found out that my mother had died. my neighbors had died. this point, it seems that i was the only one who survived from the 4th floor. it's a miracle list which is the worst if it wasn't for the rescue, whereas we wouldn't have got highs of the apartment. they broke down the door unless the size, i have no apartment, nothing. i can't talk anymore. i'm left with eyes anything. ukraine says russia attacked living with cruise missiles, which would known from the black sea. it says 7 was shot down with 3 go through. as it can see, the main restroom go is, of course, the destruction of the ukrainian people. this is a will to the day that the but we live when we are holding onto

the search for survivors continues. as does the clean up these people's lives will never be the same again. is this truly the twilight of twitter? mark zuckerberg is building on it? is company meta, which owns facebook, instagram in whatsapp has launched its own micro blogging platform and it's called threads. millions of people have already signed a twitter. you may remember last users and advertisers after it was taken over by you on most last year or more. now i want to pull in joshua tucker, who's a professor of politics at the georgia center for the advanced study. of russia, he's also the co director of the n y. you center for social media and politics. it's good to have you with us this evening. you know, threads is basically just out of the gates and already there are reports we, we've got to what, twitter, i'm getting

a cease and desist order against threads. how do you read this as well? i read it as twitter must see trends as a threat at this point, which is a bit more than it has written a bit more than how it has reacted to some of the other twitter clones that we've seen emerging in the last couple of by the last, you know, year or so since you want to just took over twitter. the big question here right around the lawsuits, of course, is going to be how do you prove this? how do you prove that there was intellectual property threats that here in a world where there are already lots of different social media platforms that all look fairly similar to each other. so in terms of legal side of things we're gonna have to, we're going to have to, um, you know, wait and see what happens. but it is interesting. the numbers i size of a couple hours ago was they were claiming they already had 30000000 people who had signed up for threads. and clearly twitter has been, you know, pushed to take action at this point. and i understand too that they're, they're trying to, to get people to use their instagram log in to get in to threats. now, we know that instagram has a 1000000 users worldwide. i mean,

just the sheer numbers here. these numbers obviously make the chances of for threats to be the one to the throng. twitter makes a stance is as good as anybody's doesn't it, right? i mean, so this has been the pattern. we've seen that social media of companies and social media platforms, which is that when you don't introduce something new, what we call a new affordance, a new characteristic of the platform. it's very hard to the throne, the incumbent. like if you look at upstarts that have been successful, you have things like twitter which introduce micro blogging or i instagram which introduce sharing photos or tick tock which introduce short form videos. and since mosque has taken over twitter, we've seen lots of different kind of various types of twitter clowns that have come about. we've seen truth social, we've seen blue sky. we've seen mastodon, and then there's more of these out there. and in all cases, there's a bit of fanfare when they 1st started off or, or something happens on twitter that people think is going to lead to more people go into these platforms. but then they kind of feed, right?

because they don't really offer anything new. and we don't really have a good example of a social media platform that has, you know, gotten to the level of prominence of like a tick tock without actually having anything new to it. but as you said, what does differentiate threats from the all these other attempts previously to come up with that kind of twitter alternative is the power of matter and the power of how many users this has to, has been very interesting to see, for example, that they did launch this threats has been launch is essentially a part of or an addendum to instagram. and so it does make it when you so i went and signed up last night with soon as you sign up, the 1st thing they ask you do is you, would you like to follow everybody who you're currently following on instagram? if they were to bring to bear the power of other networks that they have people in such as facebook or even what's app, it does give this gives threats an advantage that some of these other platforms are at. but it's still not filled out. it's still an uphill battle. yeah. you know, we can't find

a sign up for it here in the european union because there are concerns here in the you about, you know, protection and private data there. all kinds of concerns of attached to anything that is attached to mother and facebook. for example, the facebook be used by the russians to influence us presidential elections. how concerned should people be that threads could be used by the russians to put out this information about the war in ukraine moving forward or? yeah, i mean, so this is the question with all social media platforms. now, right social media platforms have tremendously reduced the barrier to sharing information, whether it's text based information that we see in threads. it's videos that we see and tick tock or youtube photos and combinations that we see and facebook or instagram. this is always the issue, it is reduce the barriers to sharing information. so it makes it a lot easier for anyone to share information then they want to do previously. now, one thing we know from social science research is that the vast majority of the

information that gets shared on the social media media platforms and on the internet generally, the vast majority of it is, is, you know, correct information or opinionated information with this kind of what we worry about with these kind of disinformation campaigns, they're kind of a small drop in the bucket, but you're absolutely right to ask. we have a new social media platform. we now have to ask, what are going to be the controls on it, to control this information here in the united states. the question of misinformation has gotten a highly politicized, and what platforms do about it. and so each one of these times whenever we get one of these new platforms gets a question of how the platform is going to seek to control it. now in the case of again with trends, what makes it different from the launch of se, blue sky or the launch of st. mastodon and asking about content moderation is that meto already has a massive content, moderation operation, that it is employed in terms of facebook and in terms of instagram. and is obviously thinking about in terms of the matter versus, in terms of all these different questions. so in terms of, should we be concerned about a new social media platform being a vector for it, for act,

for bad actors to try to utilize that platform to share information that could be harmful? sure, we should be worried about this. but this again, is new in the sense that we've got an offer to, we've got here a platform that has a long history as far as long goes and the social media era of trying to think about content, moderation, and deal with these kind of threat better so again it's, it's a little bit different than just a new upstart. yeah, i mean we're going maybe possibly from tweeting to threading what to see what happens. josh, we're talking, we appreciate your time in your valuable insights and night. thank you. thanks so much for having me or or russia is not just using bombs and missiles against ukraine. it's international propaganda. war has been deployed half truths, rumors and this information in a variety of languages and with more than 500000000 speakers. spanish is a key vehicle for generating a sympathetic russian narrative. 6 of june,

2023. the nova cough got them collapses in ukraine. and videos like this one shared and viewed thousands of times in the spanish speaking world. but of course, there are many fakes. this use a here claims that this video shows the moment when the them exploded. this, this is leading. yes, we see the same them, but a reversed image search shows the video was published in november 2022. the tweet blames ukrainians for the exposure at the latest them as not many other use. us use the same description like in these tweets calling ukrainians. nazis is one of the major narratives of this war by spanish speaking accounts spreading this information. looking at the content on ukraine, russian state back the accounts have use the term nazi 50 percent more often since the invasion and according to experts. there's a reason for this. also let in america, it's

a very quick way of generating rejection towards government by linking it to not citizens. another major disinformation narrative focuses on lensky himself. is crediting ukraine's president as a person and politician to legitimize the war this video, which was few thousands of times, claim savanski wants the war to continue as a reaction european poly metairie and to leave the session. but this claim is false . reverse image search and the science on the tables lead us to the origin of the video, an austrian paul, even session earlier this year. here politicians of the far right austin f period policy that leaves the room during the speech present. lensky. however, he didn't say that he wanted the war to continue. but why is the lensky often to target himself? best so nice to have a life there's realizing rushes war on a character and discrepancy that character. as an ad hominem operation that

propaganda also, employees find that not one of the major narrative focuses on infectious. they have become an important tool of russian propaganda in spanish. recent studies shows of the 15 most were tweeted accounts surveyed 7 for independence. spanish speaking influence of one such spanish speaking influenza. as leo savannah, you go, she shares this leading claims about the war with thousands of all the words. the goal hosting support for the russian government did not fluid yet is that must be and she has been doing so throughout the course of the war year. she's explaining how well russians are rebuilding my review for city and south east and ukraine. this claim is misleading. the volume doesn't mention that russia was the one to destroy the city. she only shows how it is now building new apartments or playground. and according to study,

she's not the only influence of spreading russian narrative in spanish. one though, a lot like when official information is discredited, there is an attempt to turn to other voices how the citizen voices tend to be more credible as so much good evening. tough truce rumors and this information, all in all, a way of strengthening russian perspectives on the war and ukraine. the russians have an opening there because they can dress themselves up as being different from the western world. and it's a significant opening with a global reach of almost 500000000 spanish speaking. it's one of the languages for russian propaganda. the tweeting, threading, when police force india the retaining an antiquated perch to do they're communicating. i'm talking about carrier pigeons. now we want to be clear here. the wind messengers are not the main mode of communication for the police,

but the cops say they do see this as a feather in their cap. i really from the past or for police in india, eastern a visa speed. these homing regions i have tried and tested tradition. they have been trained to get important messages just in case morton communication systems feed. because the pigeon carriers that we have since 1994 to $6.00 and the service was busy going to use for communicating from one station to another station. now v hope kept it as a heritage. as i said, when you think with us here in just to be of course more than 100 boats go to the exercise. a copper, plastic cap, food containing a message estate at the beach and slick they are then released fully expected to

reach the destination. the books have long been used by the festive parties. up until 2006 gave you a pigeon square still unimportant. we defend messages between dfcs 400 police stations that are so many story that we're, we're this coming to our middle coming in, sending a message, okay, when it's being called, you know, somebody coming to the murder and then with the sent them, i said, but the pigeon, he wasn't the separate on the name of the police. the, you know, foreclosure has so many accounts of how the pigeons have ended very whitefield services, you know, in things and on. it's hard to see the train that you'd be doing this can slide up to 25, could on meet this and back, and the memory and accuracy of destination means. in fact, for us to watch out where you're standing, the day is almost done. the conversation you think is online to find us on twitter at the w needs, you can probably be on twitter, it printed off the tv and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then in

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shuttle. the key, more people than ever, on the news world, volume, and such the nice. on the bus and so it does have the castle, the piano. is it a mac on the car then? that's okay. that's the nanda foundation. one book sitting on the find out about me being a story in some language. reliable news for migraines. wherever they may be, put this array in russia. i mean, gain for ukraine. although it's cut or offensive has made slow progress. moreau rose following the failed march on moscow by the wagner group, whose brutal tactics have spilled much ukrainian blood. the longer term fate of