to corner the hot spot for food and some great coach on the board has to be w travel off we go the business, the, the new slide from ballot. the us might send cluster munitions to ukraine. whitehouse officials say that decision is on the active consideration as part of a weapons, a packed box cluster. i mean, this is found in many countries. i'm assuming right groups of raising concerns also coming on top. so continuing for sweden to join nato,

but there are concerns of help with the military alliance is to confront a threat from russia, one for my us general. now tell dw, we're not ready and supportive searching for germany is controversial alternative for germany. policy whose members include many fluoride extremity. the question is, how should established policies respond? the gulf is welcome to the program. the us administration is expected to announce that $800000000.00 military aid package for ukraine. and that could include cluster bumps, key fonts. the weapons for its contra offensive against russia, bought the bombs county band by over 120 countries because they can kill indiscriminately over a wide area threatening injuries to civilians. human rights groups are raising

concerns a graveyard dismissals and hockey's, the remnants of russian munition to have devastated civilian life in pulse of ukraine. among them, the rockets used to launch cluster bones, a large number of small explosives of packed into these containers and released me to with the potential to close extensive damage to an area the size of a city block such as hit in cost, intuitive cost assist. you new credit on that screech, and which was his in march this year by cluster bombs, local firefighters trying to contain the damage and detected cluster munitions that don't explode. can also may move killed people decades later on thursday, the pentagon press secretary defended the use of the weapons that is pointing the

finger at moscow. so essentially it can be either loaded with shape charges which are arm or penetrating or they can be loaded with fragmentary munitions, which are anti personnel. so clearly a capability that would be useful in any type of offensive operations. i would note that the russians have already been implying a cluster munitions on the battlefield. human rights watch says base russia and ukraine have used cluster munitions. so fall in the conflict and has cooled for both sides to stop. immediately. we all saw your crime correspondent, ne comedy how chief justifies using this controversial weapon. i think that number one argument is that russia has been using the throughout, in large numbers in ukraine has. and they would say, if anyone should stop using these munitions, it should be the russians. and that is a clear kind of face of your country with more resources,

with more different types of options should be the 1st to take that step. i think those is important to kind of zoom out of it. the bigger picture from the front end perspective is that they already feel like they've been limited in lots of things they can do. they have their hands tied behind their backs in a way, try to protect their country. they're not allowed to use less than weapons against the russian territory. they haven't been given the kind of claims or helicopters that would allow them to protect different lines that the rest of the using in large numbers. and these because that emissions, all these cluster bombs on an option, they are basically available in serial numbers in the us. also, they wouldn't be any running time that could be quickly delivered. they don't take any special training or preparations. that is something that could make a huge difference to ukraine. sounds offensive right now, rather than these more complex, expensive technologies that take a little longer and full of kind of political problems about people. different countries. not wanting to give their permission for these systems to be transferred to. this is every kind of real option for you credit at a time where they all having real problems trying to push through those rest of the

positions that are being built up as the last 6 months or so. they come to me that reporting from key if and from on this we can now talk to rich, where he's a senior christ isn't conflict research for human rights watch in berlin. now your organization published the report this day, calling on both ukraine and russia to stop using cluster bombs. but this is a wall by christmas alt tags and drones are being used to kill people every day. what different sex wants to bump going to my really, you know, these weapons are inherently discriminant, indiscriminate and are subject to a band assigned by most countries in the world, including germany for reason of you on the immediate attacks these weapons have, they have lasting and serious consequences for civilians. many of these subdivisions fail to explode and they expose civilians for decades to danger. and that danger is serious and life threatening. it can be losing a limb and it can be losing your life. it makes passions like, you know, planning and a feel for them on your lawn. things be deadly. and your germany is also

a country that has experienced, you know, this, of this kind of threat for decades to comment as well. and this is not something that you know, you can frame and you already, there's been extensive contamination and this is only going to pile long, you know, the civilian har for decades come now, but if these cluster bombs could help you cry and beating back to the russians and potentially speed up it into this will, would not be was, it will know this, but we're talking about here is about preventing civilian harm. and certainly your brain has other options that don't, you know, spread these munitions all over wide areas and are doable. definable, what's those civilians and harm long into the future because they're difficult to find and develop. doable to clear. there's been a lot of talk about the can to cameron contamination efforts, you know, which will have to take place in any case of, of these efforts are dangerous and they take time and they will expose that to civilian service. but the individuals doing that they're going to opperation to

danger. so why are you not focus your efforts on getting the russian to stop using these weapons? because effective in your calls can only lead you cran, exposed to russian cluster balls with little hope of replying and kind. the human rights watch has documented the use of russian to cluster munitions from the 1st few hours of this and invasion that they conducted and included that includes one of the deadliest attacks conducted against the buildings by rushing forces in the train station and coming towards can we have hall matches since the beginning of this war, but since the bad has been instituted for all parties to stop using these weapons, as this is not about focusing our attention on credit, this is about all parties, not just in ukraine and russia, but everywhere because of the extraordinary farm, these weapons cause a disability and say,

continue to cost them long after worst finish, which we have that was shown rights. watch, thank you very much. as they had of nato, you insulting back. convinced that meeting would lead us from turkey and sweden hoping for breakthrough on sweden's natal membership. there was another significant concern for the military alliance that is made. so how prepared is it in europe to provide a coordinated response to any threats from russia? one senior asked us to enroll now tells dw nato is not ready because it cannot move fast enough. a needle maintained it's got allies completely covered and they thought protect every inch of allied territory. but candidate, nato has forces in fire, power, pre positioned in 8 allies along its eastern flank. but if russia were to attack, for example, the narrow gap between bell arisen colleen and grad known as this. a walking corridor with the aim to cut off the baltic states. we cannot move fast enough. i

think this is very dangerous. if the russians can see, and they are aware that we could not get to. let's say this a walking car door for the full sean gate down in romania as fast or faster than russian federation forces could give their retire. general ben hodges is an expert in military mobility. and to his chagrin, immobility from the years he was charged with insuring american troops and their equipment could respond quickly to threats loads of red tape and lack of transport capacity top to his list of lows. you cannot even live a couple your passion, germany without special permissions. there's not enough real cars in the cargo. don't you bought a cargo to move more than one and a half are remember gauge that all over europe simultaneously. that's nothing compared to what we would need. and then there's the lack of inter governmental communication. hodges recalls

a special moment in 2017 when us paratroopers were dropped into full guerria for a training exercise. we discovered in the last minute the demo, gary and ministry of interior responsible for their borders. we're going to have officials out on the drop zone and expect to see the passport of every parents river as if they had just gotten off a little tons of flight. and i was like, you watch. another issue is infrastructure such as bridges and roads that can't bear the weight of heavy tanks or tunnels, which are too narrow. fixing these problems was long ago identified as a key area where nato into europe can union could and actually had to work together . the alliance needs the access, the you has control over regulations and funds for logistical upgrades and member states. but after years of plans, task forces and projects and now war next door, the potential remains largely on paper policy analysts and the height the highest

spend to months researching the current state of military mobility and was dismayed at his findings. definitely, i was surprised given how many years has passed since know through the team. we came a priority at the, at the level and nothing much has happened just to give you an example of currently at the level the objectives to reach maximum 5 working days to get permission to cross borders. that's quite a lots, right? they want to make free for rapid reaction, forces 5 working days, waiting on paper work for each country that would need to be crossed. that's the goal. meanwhile, moscow has no such barriers, and can hire points out. the necessary changes in europe won't happen overnight, is it's a continuous process that takes years. so if we have started, i don't know, 15 years ago now, it would have been better if we started now we'll see in 4th and the results maybe in 10 years. general hodges says the new military plans to be adopted at nato's bill. me a summit. should lead to a big improvement because possible more time responsibilities will be assigned by

regions reducing transport times. but he's still worried to everybody gets serious and understands why this is to the benefit of the alliance for parents is going to continue to be seen as some sort of a euro craddick. uh, thing that just needs to be sorted out. he says is past time now to get serious. that is good. so yours, but it's terry shows are corresponded in brussels who file those reports. it is very, a very serious issue that general hodges believes these changes should have taken place years ago. and that is dangerous financial that they haven't that so what does he mean and why it has that situation not improved as fast? well, in general, hodges speaks very euphemistically when he says, if the russians know we can't get there. because of course, the russians know that nato can't get there fast. in fact,

this walk you core doors more commonly referred to as this who walk in gap and because it's logistically, so hard to get forces in there quickly. and of course, is nato's practicing how to defend this a walking gap then rushes, practicing how to take this a walk and gap. so none of this is a surprise, but this is that these are really vulnerable areas need those long known and long practice how to defend them. but i think with general hodges is saying now is that you've got a war next door. you see that russia is unpredictable. why are these changes not being done more quickly? and some of them are in fact, bureaucratic. this idea that even nato's rapid reaction forces have to wait 3 days on paper work to cross countries borders. i mean, that's not a very rapid reaction force, right? yeah. that, that is indeed frightening. now the research that you spoke with says, even if plans were implemented now it could be 10 years to see any results. i mean, isn't that a bit late and can they can nato and the you fast track these changes as well?

fortunately, too late for what is a question we could ask because russia has not and is not likely to attack nato country. but when you're talking about these infrastructures changes, they're huge, and again they are on the you side as you point out. they need money from, from the you and from national governments. but you're talking about literally replacing bridges, replacing tunnels, changing real gauges. i mean, there are countries now you, you cannot simply move cargo between, between e u member states between nato allies because the train tracks don't line up. those are huge projects, millions of bureaus, and they take years to change. so they haven't started yet to any great degree, and that's why you wouldn't see the results for years. but this is really, i think it's gotta be a disappointment for nato and the european union because they said years ago that this was going to be a flagship project military mobility. and yet, so little has happened that they must be sort of thinking, you know,

we failed to some extent now and they told members a meeting and villainy is next week. we see any more concrete plans is the plans that will be adopted are expected to be adopted. they're, they're not yet approved by all. allies will make some changes that uh, as been hodges mentioned, will make military mobility less of a hindrance or military immobility, less of a hindrance. and that is because this re vamp of need, those plans are going to focus on regional hubs for, for where forces would be sent from where equipment would be sent from you're not going to have to get from the furthest reaches, you know, from, from southern spain to a stony a, you're going to have things pre positioned and there already is some, a lot of pre positioning closer to where a crisis may break out. so you'd have, you know, less distance to cover. but still, if we go back to, to the situation now, still, if it takes 5 days for every country you have to cover that's, that's still going to be a problem. regional the regional plans are going to be

a big health. uh, once they're approved in vilnius, but they're not going to solve all these problems that's going to have to take place in budgets that are not yet approved. so it's not going to solve things. hopefully it will make it less of a less of a vulnerability for the alliance. terry shows that reporting from day to headquarters in brussels. thank you very much, terry. but here in germany, the far right alternative for germany potty or a f d. he has seen its popularity such in recent weeks, the parties phone numbers have risen to a historical high looking at the latest in for us as div up survey the a f d is bullying. second place behind the main, a position conservative cd. you see us, you 20 percent of those polls say they would vote for the fall right party if a national election were held now. and that's more than for any of the 3 government parties. the poll boost comes despite sections of the f. c,

being seen by many experts as linked to extra missed an anti democratic circles in germany style. right is having a great summer support for the alternative for germany as high as the never before . and the 10 year history, the so said if the ringo one vote or in 3 now backs the i if the in june for the 1st time the party, one executive power was only a local government official, yet the atheist jubilant. but the d is not just another political party, its members include many for rights, extremist. and it is under observation by the intelligence services for allegedly undermining democracy. so what explains the success? the established parties do a terrible job and they are getting from batch to verse by the day, by the hour. they want to force people into a central planning, central planning, edit cute, and that's etc rated. and more and more people react to it concepts and each of the,

the ac has always been successful with issues that increase for years for state as, as well known. we are living in times of multiple crises, this quite a bit of fear of their fear of even more immigration of refugees and other migrants . and then of course, that's the fear of rising prizes and the fear of an encroaching state when the ends and people to see can start. fee is drive people to seek an alternative. how should the establish parties respond? so far? all have set that they will not cooperate with the if the simple additions even talk about banding, it just the shots just clicked on the thread behind us. and then we have the phenomenon of rock when populace parties in scandinavia, the netherlands, austria, and germany think this helps way or in the world as well. but that doesn't mean that have to become relevant installment. and that will not be the case here either . but those responses don't address the concerns that tries to support this

it no, i think it could make even more people vote for them to me. what's important and what i would say this to mister shows prevent blockage, clear the blockages and looked at the future. florida shown mine is coming in my opinion, the only way to turn the situation around is with good politics. by carefully refuting the these claim that the state this week, so federal and state governments have to show concrete actions and not just abuse those who vote for the f b. i didn't talk me or additional developing a debate, but there are stations. meanwhile, the party believes itself, the vote will increase. we are prepared to deliver to the people what they deserve . that means straits policy, silver policies know ridiculous and to do the things which need to be done and still give up things which need to be given up. given germany's history of fluoride

policy and government responsibility is something old. on the part you send the bone, the 2nd one to avoid it. any costs. how do you threaten that? if it came to follow, you would clean up. we will tell you, we will make sure that you never have responsibility in this country. keep that in mind. that however, is exactly what the a, if the is a meaningful for the next federal election in 2025. if they want to nominate the chancellor candidate to speak about the half these increasing strength. i'm now doing that i've statement. he's a member of parliament for the social democrats who are lead germany's governing coalition at the moment of assisting with the f. d is now the 2nd most popular policy and the polls right now, even before your policy does not show the government, which is led by the speedy is failing as voters as well. i don't think so. of course that's strengthening the fact that we then they also strong impulse pulls

on the elections yet, but we have to do, i would say 3 things, one. and we prefer it in your report, is we have to do good policies and explain them to the people in clear language. good policies, meaning addressing all those issues where you can raise the fears and they all, they only explode fierce that's their own. on the position they don't have any solutions, they only have scape goats and they're talking about that. so that's 1st of all, that's the most important thing. but been talking about how to deal with the prize . these are you taking, this is a, is the government taking the fears of the population of seriously enough as i think we do. but we have still this room for improvement. i would say in terms of telling the people we need to change our energy policies. but we have to do it in the way that people with normal wages, with low income able to afford to assess the one thing. second, we have to talk with the conservative that they don't think that arousing rides provide bring populism. have some in any way,

it only has the origin and there was other radicals, uncertain terms. that's the most difficult part is there is a saying and we heard that in your reply to that one should not address the vote as i think we should. because one who is welding from nazi potty quotes for our nazi party. and although i know that space is that's an, as is used by the hard car nazis, they want to have that right this way. but we have to make it more difficult for people to vote for a party that really wants to abolish democracy. and given the german history, we really have a responsibility to do that. and with all the clear on this, that's a for a, that's necessary to do that. now in the of the one that's 1st local government deluxe, and just a few weeks ago you said it would go down in history as another day of time. and that boat involve just 15000 people supporting the f d. why it's such a strong reaction to because we're not talking about politic arrivals. we're

talking about people that who are in favor of violence. who wants to abolish the rules of our constitution? who wants to, they use the freedom of speech and the opinion which is given in our constitution that we have, if they would have anything to say, people like us would be and present. so to make it very clear to the people, you kind of vote for nazis and they are as follows of democracy. and we must be very clear about that. but again, we will only be successful in that if our own policies executed in a way that we and talk to the people's fears and the needs that people are especially those of low income and the income here. yeah, but how come the governing coalition do that? a lot of course if you look at germany you would say given the. busy the crises scroll of the starting, the new canyon was pretty much it was pretty good way,

how we got through the winter without mass unemployment. all those things. we put a lot of money in programs providing that and have done better. and then other neighbors have done so actually the prizes are not that bad, but we have 3 different bodies and there's a lot of conflict and, and the public, you on government could be better. so we, we have to improve our professional work. that's one thing to do, and then be clear how we talk to the people, not in the technocratic way as some colleagues do. but with a very clear way to address the people so that they know who one doesn't vote for a photos of them. obviously never know where and for no reason. now, all of germany's mainstream policies cons a rule out going into coalition with the f d. now if we look around in europe, bite wing policies are sitting in governments all over the place. so do you think these floodgates against 50 will stand by see, we have

a different history. it's something totally different. wherever i bring extremism in scandinavia and united states or in france and germany, we look at the history of the last century and you see what, what was the consequence of that? the terrorist date of hits and everything are the ones that came after that. so therefore, we cannot to tolerate that there's anti semitism, that's why it ends against minorities, against the refugees and the violence everywhere. and we have to fight the force of democracy more the countries have to do that. 5 state of the member of the john and parliament for the governing social democrats. thank you very much. thank you. so i went to sports now window. this number for saved casper road. it accepted the tournament in the 2nd round of to fade following to great britain's liam brody.

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