in the ends, political crimes, the in our series, guardians of truth. watch now on youtube dw documentary the, this is the job your new life from been in the united states decides to give close to bones, fingerprint us president joe biden defend sending thousands of the contribution of weapons to house cube and the fight against prussia saying it's the right thing to do all it's coming up. nato, profess for you so much,

but the focus on membership for you creative treatment. but that all the questions over the alliance was capabilities are us generalised as dw mitchell is not ready to face any tut from russia. we working alongside humans to provide assistance and support and will not be replacing any existing jobs. reassuring was that or united patients are summit thought robots, all software, big, good one. the was better than people the i'm number, such as, while it's good to have you with us, the united states will send cluster bombs to ukraine to help to fight the russian invasion. the white house says presidential by to meet the difficult decision to supply of the contribution weapons because it was the right thing to do. more than a $120.00 country band cluster bombs,

because the kill and maim indiscriminate to human rights groups accuse both sides of using them and a for small being sent to ukraine. but the pentagon says cube has given assurances on that as one somebody who's working with ukraine to minimize the risk associated with the decision ukrainian government has offered us assurances in writing on the responsible use of dpi, cm's, including that they will not use around in civilian populated urban environments and that they will record where they use these rounds, which will simple 5 later to mining efforts. ukraine also has committed to post conflict the mining efforts to mitigate any potential harm to civilians. now we just have the us government's view with that, but human rights groups don't integrate from one that perspective. i'm joined now by medic, by human, wellington shifted walker. c director of the us division of human rights watch, bust him to the program. very, thank you for joining us. we just heard the promises from the us. i knew tran, that these weapons it'd be deployed to viciously. what do you make of that is the

responsible way of using cluster munitions? i'm in customer relations were prohibited for a reason. they spread over wide area and when used in civilian areas, go home and name and kill civilians, they leave remnants behind unexploded set munitions that failed to designate. so they pose a, an immediate risk, a long term risk, therefore, were frankly opposed by the decision to transfer request emissions to ukraine. we understand that you kind of doing well, come to fight the war. and if it needs weapons, it needs military support. we just, there are limits and lines that should not be crossed enough conflict, and this is one of them, plus 2 munitions prohibited weapons that should not be use by any act to under any circumstance. but such on conflict of costs leads to a massive amount of loss of life. and there is the question that of these cluster bombs could potentially have to train beat back the russians and speed up the end of the war. does that make it worth it?

this is a question for your current answer. i think, you know, we realize that in both their militaries will reach for any weapon that they can use in the fight. um, we just view trust munitions as beyond the pile uh, from the past experience of the use in previous concepts from afghanistan and iraq to, to said the, you decide the and of course south east asia, cambodia, vietnam last, they're still working to clear it custom nations that we used more than 50 years ago, and this unfortunately will be the case for you crime if it goes down. this puts, it already has a massive clearance task in front of it. sending more customizations is going to make it worse for the company, strong points. but another question that the supporters of classic munitions at asking is that if josh as not shying away from using them, does it become unfair to expect to ukraine to not respond? and client, what do you make of that?

2 wrongs don't make arise and sorry, but you know, this is, this is where we talk about the, the desire for international rules based order with rules and laws that we fall or plus munitions has been prohibited for a reason. and this is why they should not be used. there are other weapons that can be used as a means of a mess. it's a full sizing, and you crying that we believe will can be, can be used without resorting to the use of landlines or custom, munitions. you mention other weapons. what do you see of some of as a good alternative for you trained here? been talked about a unitary artillery rounds and you kind of already received the various different types of weapons that would compensate for the use of crusty munitions. you know, there's no magic width and no silver bullet that will end the war in ukraine, suddenly costs you munitions and not them. but we, we, here we hear what you kind of saying in this regard. we just done a great

a to mary abraham from jo and dice wash. thank you so much for your time. thank you very much. now nato leaders are preparing for the key summit next week. that's what the focus on membership for. you create in sweden, but there is another significant concern for the alliance, whether it is capable of dealing with any said from rush out or died. us general have still in the top you need to is not ready a needle maintained. it's got allies completely covered and they thought protect every inch of allied territory. but candidate nato has forces in fire, power, pre positioned in 8 allies along its eastern flank. but if russia were to attack, for example, the narrow gap between bella ruth and colleen and grad known as this, a walking corridor with the aim to cut off the baltic states. we can not move fast enough. i think this is very dangerous if the russians can see, and they're aware that we could not get to. let's say this

a walking car door for the full sean gate down in romania as fast or faster than russian federation forces could give their retire. general ben hodges is an expert in military mobility and to his chagrin, immobility from the years he was charged with insuring american troops and their equipment could respond quickly to threats. loads of red tape and lack of transport capacity topped his list of blows. you can not even live a couple your fashion journey without special permissions. there's not enough real cars in the cargo. don't you buy a cargo to move more than one and a half are remember gauge that all over europe simultaneously? that's nothing compared to what we would need. and then there's the lack of inter governmental communication. hodges recalls a special moment in 2017. when you as paratroopers were dropped into full guerria for a training exercise. we discovered in the last minute that the bulgarian ministry

of interior responsible for their borders. we're going to have officials out on the drop zone and expect to see the passport of every parents river as if they had just got off a little tons of light. and i was like watching another issue is infrastructure such as bridges and roads that can't bear the weight of heavy tanks or tunnels, which are too narrow. fixing these problems was long ago identified as a key area where nato into europe can union could and actually had to work together . the alliance needs the access, the you has control over regulations and funds for logistical upgrades and member states. but after years of plans, task forces and projects and now war next door, the potential remains largely on paper policy analysts and the heikki highest spend to months researching the current state of military mobility and was dismayed at his findings. definitely, i was surprised given how many years has passed since know through the team. he

came a priority at the, at the level and nothing much has happened just to give you an example of currently at the you level the objectives to reach maximum of 5 working days to get permission to cross borders. that's quite a lots, right? they want to make free for rapid reaction, forces 5 working days, waiting on paper work for each country that would need to be crossed. that's the goal. meanwhile, moscow has no such barriers, and can hire points out. the necessary changes in europe won't happen overnight, is it's a continuous process that takes years. so if we have started, i don't know, 15 years ago now, it would have been better if we started now we'll see in 4th and the results maybe in 10 years. general hodges says the new military plans to be adopted at nato's bill. me a summit. should lead to a big improvement because possible more time responsibilities will be assigned by regions reducing transport times. but he's still worried to everybody gets serious

and understands why this is to the benefit of the alliance for terence is going to continue to be seen as some sort of a euro craddick. uh, thing that just needs to be sorted out. he says, is pass time now to get serious. let's take a look at some of the other stories make nero's at this hour. a dog as president, aggressive by of adeline has said he believes ukraine deserves to be drawn to a neutral membership. he made the comments off to the meeting with ukraine and president below, and res lensky, and on cut off the other one, had previously state neutral on ukraine's new to aspirations. so knowing you the better solution looks like it has reviewed a few cam built for our shut off. no go. the most energies were expected to relocate to better those under the do you that and that they mutiny last month. but the little says voc no officials have yet to inspect the call number that you may have noticed on breaking news from the netherlands badge and the

boss few. our dodge prime minister mach router has resigned. his coalition government fees to reach agreement on immigration measures. crisis talk between the full correlation fox. no spell of fox lead on friday evening. shooter is some evidence longest. subbing leader is government will stay on and can't take a mode until new elections later. the sail from the audio re spoke to joining us gordon. the rock and the hicks, he told us what led to does resignation. so we have some thoughts in the coalition and there's actually to right wing parties, which is mr. which is the liberal party today. and the christian democrats said they wants to much harder line and on integration and to restrict the numbers of asylum seekers coming in, particularly mister richard, who was under pressure from his own policy and its own members of parliament. on the other side, you got 2 more progressive parties. the more the interest levels are,

the $66.00 and the christian union who wanted a more humane approach to resolve them. they argue that said that we should be more emphasis on integrating as long as he goes and refugees foster and processing their claims foster into the system. and these 4 parties couldn't reach a deal. and the real sticking point turned out to be whether or not as long as he could. so who are already in the country who already have this on the plane launched could then bring their families over. now the, the mr. which is the policy that christian democrats wanted to limit the name of the numbers and make it more difficult for those families to come and join the family members in the netherlands. and they made an offer to the other 2 policies, which shows that they couldn't accept and prove to be irreconcilable. a that's a so unless gardner oak in the head now robots have totally united nations summit, they could wonder it on the was better than humans. some of the most have gone through when i draw both eligibility took center stage friday at

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