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the lamp and a reminder of the top story we're following for you. ukrainian president, florida. mister lansky has visited turkey to rally support for his country's fate, to join nato. for the 1st time, he received strong packing from president friendship, tie up at one who said there was no doubt you claim this to become a man, but you're up to date. uh, documentary of next investigates where the most sustainable agriculture is possible . here in europe, i bid for sewland. thanks for watching the it's all just practice or is that the nation face in brooklyn with a wing 7 months before a restaurant attack ukraine, a field team documents daily life in the town. how are the people from the club? was the growing tension currently to go in and be insight starts july 8th
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on dw of the today and was kind of guessing into stuff with a little we believe the future lies in the grow. get them, we have 9 or 10000 to pigs today. i mean in my father's day it was just 50 and then i left the body that we're going to need to work on. we can keep doing things the way we do. now. we have to be sustainable as possible, and many, in other words, the green revolution is desperately need is he'll actually go to fix whatever on the costs of a fundamental disruption to how we produce paid. we really do expect the call will be open fleet by 20 such 5. it's hard to see kind of people really embedded in traditional agricultural being, the loses it doesn't matter where you are. you are the only people that
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can manage the land properly at the time the europe's farmers produce our food day in and day out and they've done so for many centuries, the every country region and climate has its own calling every tradition, the farmers shape our landscapes they reflect our history as well as our identity, the budget, a farming using crisis. industrial, agriculture, striving for higher yields at a lower cost has become an environmental disaster. it's time for a radical re thing. but what would that look like? the some 700000000 people living in europe.
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how can they all be fed sustainably? today most you up and farms are still run by families. the come on. coming to the happy here and then i know they're not interested. all right, the gosh, i don't want to change. i don't want to because i'm, you know, i don't mind. i love raising my animals. i left my watch and i love being surrounded by animals and i love my freedom. and i'm a farmer. someone local who works the land and knows it well. i think that i do my
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job. well, it's feeding people is i court in atlanta, but when we run into problems, we deal with them one at the time. 24. i'm proud to be in this field most i'm proud to be helping feed mankind the issues you're in my res dairy cows. you so i have about $65.00 dairy cows per year, which produce about 600000 meters of mill valley. even from what i have all these my father used to sell milk directly to customers who would come with pounds. but hardly anyone. does that tell me? no. it's a shame. for the less she called me if you choose my grew up here and i watch my father build up the song. that history connect me to this place. these are my routes and it's something i want to present. okay. similar to like his reading
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during the meal crisis and some people really struggled cycle for the price of milk was so low that they couldn't profit on a farm or on their own. if they had family issues or health struggles or anything, it went quickly down hill on ocean. when we initially let me feed people, we do our best always done. we give it a whirl. and yet the some in the phone, the way out seems to be suicide. so that's wonderful because the number of farmers taking their own lives isn't astronomical. it's tragic and they're not a psychiatric type of farms aren't being abandoned. farmers are giving up in france, a farmer committed suicide every 2 days. more than anywhere else in europe. abandoned funds are everywhere, but why the
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global competition is at least partly to blame. consumers demand low prices in every kind of fruit and vegetables. what ever the season? agriculture has become a ruthless global business. not all that long ago, most of our food was produced locally. but today in europe, half of all food is imported according to data collected by euro stat. over the past 20 years, the this map display smoke exports among european countries. the sticker, the line, the larger the export, fresh, tomatoes, travel, even further. european consumers want fresh vegetables and the global market reactions the to europe has become
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a world champion and exports of pork primarily to china and asia, but also to the rest of the world. the performers, the choices, symbols, expand and increase productivity or get squeezed out the, the impact is clear. in 10 years, europe is lost nearly for 1000000 farms, the, and yet, every year the european union goes out $60000000000.00 euros in agricultural subsidies. where does all that money go? the answer lies in history, and the origins of europeans subsidy policy, the at the end of world war 2, much of europe, lee and ruins. hunger was rampant agricultural production, had to be revived as quickly as possible.
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the, the solution was financial aid and rapid modernization. the strategy worked soon, the shops were failed and the bread, butter and meat were plentiful. again. the strategy is still alive today. agricultural productivity is risen steadily. since the 1950s, the average weight yield per hector has doubled the dairy cows supplied $2.00 times as much milk. many experts say that your lips, massive subsidy system is outdated. europe could easily feed itself without it. but eating drawers many have grown to depend on it. a part of the blame lies in the criteria that govern you accurate cultural policies
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. 3 quarters of the funds are distributed according to the size of the farm. the larger the farm, the larger the subsidy with often outlined this results. this was done. romania is great by you. i'm in europe's largest fine. 55000 textures of land and 10000000 euros in agricultural subsidies every year. the money goes to out to hire a company based in the united arab emirates, 7 most part the most of the loan. uh uh god, if i just bought a dean, they didn't really wanna have frontier. you just put the fields behind me belong to one company. so it's a thorn and assigned to roaming and family farm is because the company practices,
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very intensive agriculture, so full of fish that just to fit in or excelled and out of the 50 lip into products you did that you dial him. what's the cheapest? the sometimes slowly here is use mainly to grow grains, and the grain doesn't stay here and it's exposed to directly off to the office, probably to the united arab emirates. it may not the load out of a we need to she the finish this with the last with a completed and it just started on the company, meet all the criteria needed to receive subsidies. while the small pharmacy, i'm not eligible for those sort of the things that they give you been to practice the funded the romanian government has interpreted the european rules to mean that farm smaller than 3 actors are not eligible for each subsidies. that effectively excludes most agricultural operations in romania, where a small family farms are the norm. splitting force of your suspicion in my boots, in the last, within the j. chiropractic articles didn't seem to tell us that it,
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how can you offer support to less than one percent of farmers while the remaining 99 percent or less down getting some to visit it in terms of the social impact e u. agriculture policies with the financial subsidies and other measures have been additional failure. all the regulations are harmful to all society follow on the so charlie ramona to many junior is determined to fight back together with other small farmers. she's fighting for their rights today. her organization has some 14000 members. somebody you knew to say, this was the wrong thing. our political leaders have never lived in a rural area. she and that's why they don't know what could help us on the printer if they would at least visit our community. maybe they'd have some sense of how small farmers layouts out as soon as she able to a doctor who's sitting in their offices on it. they don't see any of the 3 point in
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the la syria and practice. duties are 2 different thing might have who are up to go . small farms are often less productive, but the cobit pandemic is served as a reminder of their importance. during lockdown, local funds rose to meet the demand and without them many local crops which helped maintain biodiversity would be long gone. she made young women love the so we'll fight until we get our rights back. farmers deserve that, don't sit on the e u agricultural subsidies system has proved problematic in practice. how can that be remedied? industrial agriculture has given rise to a host of problems and not just for small farmers, but for us all in europe is responsible for some 11 percent of carbon emissions.
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the our appetite for meat is part of the problem. the just satisfied that craving the number of livestock has sort according to the un statistics, especially in italy, been deluxe western france, and ireland. that's especially true when it comes to port in some regions. there are more pigs then people, spain is now the world's top port exported the
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analyst with the most sonya success of books. you know, that's funny. uh, in the last few years of the pigs. farming sector in spain has grown exponentially . it's become a major player world wide and about 40 or 50 percent of spans. production is explored as financially for a bank to munoz run. several family owned farms with 10000 live stock is pick farming business is one of the largest in spain. likes toyota, go to as i see this completely getting into the i think one thing about this, cuz our history at catalyst has always been about growth. we have 9 or 10000 pigs in my father's time, it was 50 and that's all you have. and so there's a, we're proud of that. uh, our family is proud of our business. is that or would you the seo and those with our passion. we've dedicated our lives to it now, and we don't intend to give it outside of the book. and sometimes we're
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the only part is when i started out, we raised cattle. my father always had cattle. the slaughterhouse used to be right here. this is why we were slaughtered, the famous i'll be la calves. obviously cans are famous around the world. really. the thing that i'm facing us with was she gets done with stuff on the get. we'll see on that. he was able to stand or less of you agriculture and livestock farming have to keep up with population growth that you have meant that population density is much higher than it used to be both intense. i'm so angry at cultural production and livestock farming also needs to become more concentrated the moon, the, the world population keeps growing is every time there's millions of people when they might or might not like me and told me that they lead whatever they have for me i don't know, but we have to keep producing food, lucy, and that he meant the mos in law were planning to new project
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to livestock operations use for them. we hope these aren't the last new projects we can take on growth as our future interest. you can't just stand still with us by the endless growth. is that really the solution? or will we have to set the limits for our own good and for the animals we depend on industrial farming practices are not the only problem. live stock requires more high protein feed, such as corn grains and so i half of europe's farm land is devoted to animal feed. the war and ukraine has made the bread, we eat more expensive, and the same is true for animal feet. much of it is exported like so. a from south america. the stakes in our plates come at the cost of clear cutting, vast tracts of ring forest.
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the po valley in northern italy is one of europe's most fruit tile regions. ideal for livestock farming and large scale feed cultivation, the damage caused by intensive farming is very apparent here and not just in the air we breathe. the most good stuff because nothing, don't know what the dividend, gomez, if you look around, you can see this a lot of corn is growing and dispute. this is industrial, agriculture, very intensive, mainly to vote to the cooling ones. i need is the fountain, isn't that grow them? it's incredible system. it's early in the morning. professor manuela that's on your end or students are studying the impact of the chemicals used on crops and a lot of the following up. all right, so i'll take the 1st measurement, then we'll take sample storage of the luckless if there's any questions on the, to the community. we've been monitoring the ground water in this area for about 15
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years and demands that like we found there's some areas where the nitrate concentration is always above the legal limit. again, it was that's due to the use of synthetic, cannot get accepted, lies those containing nitrogen compounds in agriculture. thompson use these nitrogen compounds to grow when the ponds don't use tools because too much that's lice. it was applied or it was applied incorrectly to set up the nitrogen containing substitute for these are washed into the soil. when it rains you'll get lucky, but it should be that's an printing kind of book with us and from the soil. it ends up in our grounds and water so that's can increase the nitrous concentration in our ground just kind of do you need to also get enough stuck with them because to i feel it to the brim. see yes. we'll measure the nitrate levels now and resound like tom to hamilton. and it's not the way that it goes on the 9th right residue in ground. water is dangerous because ground water is used for
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many things above all for drinking water. drinking water with high nitrate levels can make you sick, dotted the amount of light blue baby syndrome, gemma, which is a hot defect, found maybe in children is beautiful. it causes problems with the oxygen supply agent and recent studies have also shown how consuming high levels of nitrous might cause many more serious diseases. boston approval. got, am i lucky of into god the you had succeeded in significantly reducing nitrate levels on farmland. but recently these levels have once again begun to increase. the researchers at stockholm university have discovered an interesting correlation. the more agricultural subsidies or region receives when the you, the greater it's nitrate contamination. like here in northern italy to
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hold up in case you move in will take weight, a product will still come through and i mean the but why did we come here to take all samples? because much of the ground water from the po valley flows into this river, we need the ground floor to convert as yet and mixes with a water in the po ridley off with this too much on the nitrate. some terminated waters of the po, flow into the adriatic sea water nose no borders. nitrates can be found in nearly all lakes and oceans. the beast. nitrates lead to a harmful accumulation of nutrients that causes algae overgrowth. the green carpets that are even visible from outer space. like here in the baltic sea, the
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algae blooms bucks, the sun's rays, suffocating organisms that live deep under water. when the algae decomposes, it reduces the level of oxygen in the water. the large areas of the baltic sea have become dead zones. the, the country is bordering and i've already reduced the influx of nitrate, but it will take many years before the baltic. we covers the problems like this have helped organic food rise in popularity. consumers that become more environmentally aware and more health conscious. but organic farming is nothing new. it was established in germany a century ago of more and more consumers today are looking to avoid pesticide and
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chemical fertilizers and promote biodiversity. organic food has become big business . over the last 20 years, organic farm land has grown from 3.5 to 8 percent of europe's cultivated land. the e u is now hoping that it's green new deal will increase this to 25 percent by 2030 . organic farmers are fighting to preserve bio diversity and the fertility of our soil in the western balkans. industrial agriculture has not yet taken over most farms. our small bio diversity is flourishing and the social is still rich. and bro, dial without the over use of chemicals. conditions here are ideal for organic farming and for producing products that are especially valuable on the european market. in a village in cost of, of
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a ship and young goes organic business is very bruce. and that escaped because i need to spread it all over this table. now these me see nothing on our business is called 99 lula board 99 flowers. we collect them additional and aromatic plants that grow wild in nature. we also cultivate some varieties in open fields, and we also process plans to make these oils creams, vinegar and spices. freshman for garrick products have not yet caught. on locally $99.00, lou, them mainly supplies the e. you market, your crew sorta or to, to be in your shop, the coolant, honest that he wouldn't matters to us is a high demand for our plants in the international market. we know that exports can help you grow a business, and that helps assure greater sustainability and safety and you tend to wish moody not to meet or the moxie
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see glue. the thing is that women face many obstacles to phones in your business policy. now 1st of all, you need funding easy, but it's hard for women in cost to vote to obtain a bank loan with no property as collateral. and on bone cotton, if you're unemployed, if we have no collateral issues, the banks won't give you a loan. so if you know, but every set back and just increases your determination of any me 40 to the end, but all 5 of them getting i have boucher building. yackel remains undeterred. chief thought to launch a business and help the women and reveal that you know, the city, the success today. she has 60 employees from various ethnic backgrounds, coastal i dedicated myself to the business and to my children, my, maybe i neglected my children from time to time, but i had to work and it's been up before the war. i worked in education,
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but after the war i was unemployed and i needed an income these me. so i worked very hard with my business as my baby travelling on it to the actual packing, talking to the other radical changes in europe could shape the farming of tomorrow. the netherlands may be small, but it's at the forefront of an agricultural revolution. it's now one of the world's leading vegetable producers until recently, little attention was paid to the it's a logical impact of high intensity farming. but that's changing the campbell on an accent is that's what o'con kesha own needs in both my supplies. and you can say shouldn't be too dogmatic. it always sounds like it's easy to say we
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should all make the switch to organic farming. go back to traditional methods as long as it was, that's boxing ourselves into a corner. 5 by 2050 will have to provide food for 10000000000 people. that isn't, that's a tremendous challenge. and at the same time, we have to save the planet. which means being sustainable as possible is do is down and many of them. and we desperately need a green revolution ups, and that's where smart funding comes with an idea of a smart farming. let's take a look and spend and into is an agricultural and plan scientist at voss, ending in university of his life is one of the leading research groups of its kind in your smart farming has a very the physics is i will check, may still haven't done over sort precision agriculture, smart farm is smart farming is quite multi faceted from much of it is about precision agriculture hang. what smart farming also means that we're using all the innovations we see around us, whether they come from organic one main stream, farming open, hey, that's smart. we want to bring it all together in
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a smart way to create sustainable systems to stay my uncle take of the band. and it was really of seeing about smart farming. that is asking cool me nancy smart funding is a combination of high tech innovation and intelligent ideas that come from organic farming local ships to issue statement the visuals. oh, got to be an option to learn about thinking smart technologies on the basis for smart farming. like energy saving leads, sensors, robots, and a variety of digital tools. the, the goal is a fully automated greenhouse soon of pepper plants like this will be monitored 247 from seats to harvest, the developmental stage. appreciate you can theoretically control everything from here. i'm just like these 2 compartments and the unit back there for you. smart farmingdale,
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sales agents venue. hope i say this is a smart finding and you're the superior. you see it in the netherlands. tomatoes are going and high tech greenhouse in this house. if you compare that to open field, finding out spain and spine you in spin, you end up with 4 keywords per square meter at harvest, and then other lands the keywords per square meter, right? so 20 times as much in age as long as it's of the people come to see you come tonight to the st. scanned me. yes. openings in our greenhouse as we use 75 percent less monitor and hardly any pesticides. doing the bang, if we use pesticides, they're mostly organic, that contains environment said as a sign caution. there's others and that's one aspect of smart finding i so you can find plenty of examples of smart farming on open fields to my pharmacy. a smart farming also means integrating organic techniques into industrial production in permit culture. for example, several different plants species are grown side by side that can nearly eliminate
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the use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. good thing guys in job related modeling of yonkers and presented mulash doug most the many young 1000 years ago we were still hunter gatherers for myself was the way we felt ourselves all sounds a lumber at some point people started to domesticate crops and that was the purpose of agriculture and the 2nd green revolution involved automation and chemical fertilizers which increased you graduated data and then came the 3rd green revolution which created new varieties and also increase to yield size. but it did have downsides. high water uses lots of pesticides, things with a new style mind. now, what is the beginning of a 4th green revolution in which we need to make production as efficient as possible? so by limiting our consumption of resources of inputs, the technology is already in use and costs are dropping quickly. as smart farming expands, it promises to reduce our impact on the soil. but what about energy consumption and
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the quality of the food it produces? the this new green revolution promises true, we shape our world landscape. and not only that food can be produced anywhere, even in the city. the news of the sea or the pseudo is they have well to north with that being defined, we're on top of the process water reservoir as belonging to the city of paris metal associates. the, the city came up with the idea of using this site for urban farming group in new jersey to t bone questions, but we mainly grow micro green's and greenhouse at the,
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on the extent of the flow from outdoors we grow animal flowers, the herbs and berries with small food products with big value defense say there's a flower should be cut at an angle so that it heals better, offending and try to, i presume, the news just easy. the systems nice to save on your domain. yeah. then you put them here. 3, take who? everything is sold locally to us. so there is little transported we sell to restaurants and the general public overall diesel. don't city dwellers today are searching for meaning and purpose for towards us through some are going back to the country side or returning to nature may, on urban farming is also a way for a city dwellers to find a meeting without leaving the city, which will be directed to cell phones, i won't i any, i believe the cities of the future will be very grandma june. i hope it will happen in my life time because we are on the herb and then smart farming could help supply
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us with fruit and vegetables. but there's another urgent problem to day europe consume 60 percent more meat than 60 years ago. men, especially experts agree that spar too much, but not many are willing to give up their stakes. that's where protein alternatives could come in. incense, sebastian, spain state is be a waters is researching alternative sources of meat. she's hoping to find a replacement for live stock in a laboratory flask. the work never stops. so coaches don't rest night or on weekends. we have to be organized, take tons, keep it to go. any,
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we're about to ramp up so that we can keep raising our production capacity. but we're all giving 300 percent so as i know in the account of this, looking for a solution, it is very exciting. it's wonderful. and i was just wondering if this is the see us for me. um, and besides the professional and most popular and i'm most proud of it, this is where it will stops where the process begins. the product, we've taken a sample of muscle from an animal and we'll select the sounds we're interested in, that i will keep the muscle cells which produce protein and cultivate them. and this will end up with millions of cells that were proliferate. and that will turn into billions and even more billions. ultimately, they'll fuse together to form slash 2 and cultivate to meet to those guys.
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mathematically, do it all starts with a cell cluster, which divides and multiplies the goal is to grow an entire stake in the laboratory . so you've got the most competitive on this problem. now we have to figure out what prototypes we have and what time budget is. then we can figure out how many fast we can exhibiting because maybe we can add another one for $11.00. so the slope stuff was mass lottery sounds 0 main obstacle was coming up with the proof of concept of showing that what works almost as email scale gets. it can also walk on a very large scale there's, there's some, there's, i feel like a lot of that's the key, technological kind of thing for them. they have grown meat is on the cusp of becoming a reality. the entire industry is competing to become the 1st to marketed on a large scale. so yeah, is live in throughout maxime uh, this is the biggest adventure i've ever in box on the one of those with the challenges. very motivating, especially when it could have such a positive impact,
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a globally impact, right? yeah. but the method is be a white, a start up is still in the development phase. other companies are a bit closer to the goal, like solar foods, not far from helsinki, which is building its 1st test plants dedicated to what it calls precision fermentation. it uses microbes, electricity, and air to generate all kinds of proteins too soon there even hoping to produce milk proteins and at a much lower cost. then cow's milk, the stand ups like fees receive little or no e, you subsidies, they raise funds on the financial markets. but that work could end up revolutionizing farming the
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where on the costs of a fundamental disruption to how we produce paid, you know, by 25. see, the cost of production of per team is going to come down by $5.00 times by 2035 by 10 times and that's, that's compared to animal protein. so that's going to have, she's ramifications for how we produce pricing in 2019 catherine tub center. shockwave through the meat industry when her london based the think tank made and astonishing prediction. oh i how can i help? i was looking for a piece of steak for special occasions. i don't know if you can recommend the i've got some t boned to revise, but if i was to go for anything today, i'll probably have an honest bid. it is so low in reaction delicious when i tried to co changes because the cost of protein is going to come down by $510.00 times. that's going to be a huge impact in the number of animals. so we actually full cost 50 percent for your accounts by $21375.00. some few accounts for 25 people. if we're ready to
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expect the cow will be obsolete by 20 such 5. it's like i need this option that's gonna be lots of winners and lots of lasers. it's hard not to see kind of people really embedded in traditional agricultural being, the loses and not more industrial states. if our predictions come true, that vegetables and meat will soon be produced in factories. well, that spelled the final blow for farmers. the one solution to help see farmers might be underway here in power. in the north west of ireland, brendan dunford has come up with a plan to support traditional agriculture with preserving nature
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to work here become around, i guess, 20 years ago. and we did some research all about the relationship between farmers in the barn under landscape. and we found that that's okay, the wrong type of farming, very intensive, modern methods can be very damaging to this environment. but in contrast, a traditional farm practices all grazing, raising them to the legs and dressings are really critical to maintaining the by diversity and the natural environment in the bottom. so when we finish the research, there was a recognition, not just within the front of the community, but within the conservation authorities that we need farmers on the land farming in a way to have them for 6000 years. if we want to protect the current into the future. so the title was then became, how do we support these farmers? brendan, done for its program, provides grants to farmers who limit their environmental impact. the funds come
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from the you and the irish government. so in the current program, we have a we are awarding farmers who deliver great outcomes for our environment. so we have a very simple score cards where we walk each field like this field every summer, and using 10 different categories that grazing levels, the condition of the electric water sources, the feeding system, the presence of invasive species. is there any damage being done? and we tell you that all of the crease of scored 10 bits, assuming we simple idea and an appealing one that's already one over $300.00 farmers who take them together. farm some 23000 hector's, of land. that's come, michael danver, and he's also participated in it's going to be that fee and scores as a recommendation about how we improve the score in the area of the field, the score to $10.00 if it's come up or down and the amount of money that they each
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field interns to farm in terms of the environment set up an inquiry my own in a $9.00. and the piece for i thought is that they're not the same, you know, and so you have for your so extensive development that you're going up there, you're going up there. so you know, then you're going up there is that for under? so all good. there's nothing to make society where every unit is like money, that's what makes the world go wrong. and like managing the from doing this environment and finding is this cost errands of good money. maybe up to tar devolving can come some from there. and the bigger the score, the more money i and so yes, but it isn't really competition with my neighbor. i'm wondering what's the doing that i'm not doing? and i want to do that because we get in to be more money. so this, the reason that i'm doing is i'm a business man and i have to earn a living. first and foremost, what the farmer has done here over the last number of years is,
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1st of all he's repaired the walls and that's allowed them to target raising more effectively here by targeting grades in winter time increasing more flowers and summer time. secondly, the water source which is previously produced by cup of stanley gums, he's built a wall around this. i'm pumped the water to storage trough. we spend feeds, trusts for the capital. and so that's allows the items to drink clean, fresh water, but also keeps the water source fresh and clean for us who are drinking also the water on this area, the searching is going to change. the feeding system is move towards the more b spoke feeding system, which actually does less damage to environment. i'm cards is great, great recruiting levels and over the years by virtue of those management interventions and better grazing. so putting more capital on here, the right time, the score is gone from a 6 to 7 to an a to a 9, and now it's a 10 of the 10 because my god, when you look around here, you can see that this is pretty much perfect lambs being meant as beautifully so the farmer is getting a premium payment. brendan, done for its program is
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a success. it's a win win situation for local farmers and for the environment. grasslands are beginning to recover along with bio diversity. i think there's, there's 2 to kansas and we need we need to change this and we need to really quick and that's why i'm excited about the potential of the farmers and the phishers and the far choose the door of the county unsung heroes. if we can get those on boards, i'm working towards instruction outcome if we can get those, those communities to volume and to be the leaders to be that the customer searching to be the 1st responders, these crises i, i think i'm optimistic that can help europe spends billions of bureaus to subsidize farmers to produce more and more food at ever lower prices of all the while our sales are dying, the climate is in crisis and our health is at risk. good. laboratory farming help
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make industrial agriculture more affordable and sustainable. if that happens, farmers might also stand to benefit by producing less at higher quality and smaller scale farmers might once again become the guardians of nature and biodiversity. the in good shape pathogens don't stand a chance against the human immune system. there are things we can do to help in what those skips are and why it's so important
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