the, the with is more of aggression, luxury, and food in that hope to divide nato. what do you got within the lines that grew closer and expanded, but at nato's annual sum into unity is once again put to the test ukraine, ones the gathering and villainous to show that it's already a de facto member. but the road to actual membership is promising to be a bumpy one of some members states still unwilling to lay out a definitive plan for the war torn country succession. one thing nato countries seem to agree on is that you crane will only be able to join once the fighting has stopped. a new crane is pushing hard to end. the war with their counter offensive is only slowly gaining traction to all those wondering what's taking. so long, they have a clear message, give us the right weapons, and that victory will come sooner. on nicole relation, berlin, and this is the day the

while i was agreeing to crane the will become a member of the lines. ukraine should be joining nato as soon as conditions allow the most urgent pulse cloud is to ensure that to crane and prevent you such a sovereign an independent nation in the, in your, your top, the presidents will once give off the counter offensive. and in some ways it's, it's not going as fast as he would like. the whole of us. we want to do it faster it unless ukraine prevents. then there is no membership, be sure to be discussed at all. also on the day, a green lights to sweet and joining nato secretary general and stilton. br excess turkeys presidents now backs the move is completing sweden's accession tonight, though is uninstalled except that button that fits the security of all nate,

all laws at this critical time. it makes us all stronger, unsafe or walk into the show, your grains president's got an invitation to join the nato summit sped. will he also get an invitation to join the alliance, ukraine's prospect of becoming a natal member or at the very top of the agenda? as leaders gather this week, in lithuania, many allies have already said to crane should join after the war is one that is a new cranes. leadership has called for patience as it pushes on with its counter offensive against a dog in russian front. he hasn't been able to announce any major battlefield victory since the beginning months ago, but says every square kilometer is worth fighting for the ukraine launched at the spring offensive in june after months of anticipation. but so far gains have been modest, even president below them, there is a lensky,

has acknowledged that the counter offensive has been slower than many had hoped. this was the millions. everything is easy. that sets and difficulties because 1st of all, all on his mind that we would like to be making bigger gains. that's smaller than what we have on these case. a look at ukraine's geography helps to explain why. for months, the front line has been largely and changed. its thought ukrainian forces would try to push through russian lines in the south and east. one of the areas that has seen heavy fighting is around the southern town of or a cave. as satellite imagery show, the land is mostly patchwork fields and those fields are flat, all 3, which poses specific risks for ukrainian forces trying to retake the land. it means having to cross open fields which have been heavily mind and which are exposed to a fire from the air,

as well as from russian troops hiding behind the tree lines. and beyond those open fields, ukrainians are encountering elaborate man made trench defenses that the russian forces had months to build. the defenders also had time to put up so called dragon's teeth to stop tanks. then there is the learning curve of in military experts. a russia has picked up from its mistakes earlier in the war and as adjusted its tactics to the conditions on the battlefield. sto, analysts say, ukraine's counter offensive is capable of making progress despite the unforgiving terrain. but it will take time. lisco is a farmer, ukrainian m p a. now a global affairs analyst who joins us tonight from london. let's, let's go good to have you on the so now you're not only very interested in this count or offensive because you're ukrainians. your own brother is fading on the front lines. so if it's okay, i'd like to ask you how he's doing and what you're hearing from him. a good evening

nicole. thank you for having me. my brother is indeed fighting in the east at the moment. he's in the north east of ukraine on the mon axis. he was moved there from the southern district around the area where his fault this year as well, because he was part of celebration campaign of hon, give region last year. and so he was the 1st one to go into to zoom and the mom and there were reports, the russians were building up troops on the north and access the cancer and you got them there. and indeed, hearing your reports about the comforter offensive. perhaps it is now going as fast as everyone expected, including the soldiers on the front line because they are frankly not seeing the reinvigoration of the armaments and of the artillery and ammunition supply. so with this counter offensive have moved more quickly. if the west had been quicker to supply more effective weaponry as absolutely there were of course too impediments

to the prompt and effective comforter of science. that when you print side one, we had a very bad spring. so the weather conditions would simply not allow for the heavy artillery to move through the terrain of ukraine. but secondly, of course, found postponement of weapons supplied the constant deliberations on our tillery supplies. the tanks were seen many conversations happening there. the long range weapons, especially, and now to find 2 jobs that ukraine so desperately needs. all of those postponements gave russia a chance to a build up their own troops and supplies of weapons and be of course $4.00 to $5.00 . we're now seeing 3 to 4 lines of fortifications and my names of their tire train up to 30 kilometers into they. they occupied land. so it, it is indeed very hard for soldiers to proceed. and because the human lives is the most important passive that ukraine has, we are not treating the soldiers as

a kind and folder, similar to provide russians to our we're trying to, to preserve life. and that's why the country offensive is moving slower than perhaps is expected. yeah, criticism of the slow advancement of troops doesn't go unnoticed by ukrainian leadership, though. i want to play a short extra from a video released by the ukraine in defense ministry and then get back to you. so the . c the so there we

have ukraine's military leadership basically saying to you, this is all abstract. we're out here doing the finding and we know very well what we're doing now is you yourself live in the u. k. what's the most striking difference you see between how this counter offensive is perceived by outside are and how ukrainians see it? i think is just 2 different realities. it's very difficult to imagine the country of war and being able to not just be in the trenches and expires on the front line, but live in the country that is actively fighting or having someone who's risks are at lot lines are pressed every day. um, so the reality is indeed quite different. i by no means can judge the people not understanding the full scale of it. but i think it's important for um, people in, in countries like the u. k or germany to understand that it is indeed not a hollywood movie or a blockbuster, it takes effort. it takes dedication and it takes great sacrifice,

which are translated into human lines. mm hm. there is a lot of support and sympathy for ukraine around the world. are you worried at all? that's the use of cluster munitions. could damage that political capital and sees ukraine and his biggest ally in washington seed at least some of the moral high ground. and this conflict of the cluster munitions provisioned by the united states to ukraine has caused some disarray within perhaps the nato alliance. because some countries, most of the names of countries have signed to dublin convention to bands. most countries in the world works uh yes, but the united states and russia have not. and certainly russia has been using customer munitions on the territory of ukraine, or for a year and a half of the war. now we've seen the damage and repercussions of them using those weapons. my brother has come under fire of cluster munitions too. and they are

quite vicious weapons. but there is a star difference between how russia is using them and how ukraine would use them because they were targeting civilian areas. they were targeting people with that were living in the villages and towns that were not on the phone line. where is ukrainians are now going to look for it occupied territories and fighting the immediate frontline with russians. and of course, if we're talking about the, the leftovers, the unexploded munitions from, from the cluster bones, it is going to be ukraine's job. and we are dedicated to that, to clear out whatever residue of weapons we have on our land. and that will include all the mines that are left behind by russians. because if you think about it for a 2nd, is ukraine's mine tired street is the size of the united kingdom. it's the most heavily mind territory in the world. yeah, we do have to be careful using the conditional here because ukraine would not use

cluster munitions. there are already reports by human rights watch, for example, that have documented extensive views on ukrainian and on the ukrainian side as well . but i do want to move on because nato leaders started their annual meeting in vilnius tomorrow. what is your green me from that summit? and what do you, realistically believe is going to get to your crime? needs an invitation into valence. i think it's as simple as that. it is very reassuring to hear that the membership a action plan of the loan roadmap that was offered to you credit for has been scrapped similarly as it has been scrapped as sweden and finland last year. so that is one reassuring step. they stablish means of the nature ukraine council, or the reforming alternator commission to your current into account. so which indicates create a membership between the alliance and ukraine and partnership that could effectively translate into further membership. and those steps are really

reassuring, but i would like to be more optimistic about the summit as for now, it seems like your cream is still in the waiting room. and it still needs to prove that it's not nato expansion that threatens russia or the world order. it is actually the ambiguity that rushes thrice on. and we've seen that with both wars in georgia and in ukraine, after 2 countries were denied major membership in 2008. so hopefully this time it will rectify that. i'm gonna miss go global affairs analyst and london. thank you for your view and for your time. thank you. all ukraine is still waiting in the wings. sweden is all set to join the defense alliance. after months of blocking stock homes, been turkey has agreed to green life, sweden succession nato secretary general against oldenburg made the unexpected

announcement on monday evening. after talks with turkish and swedish leaders ahead of the nato summit, turkey, it had been holding out against sweden joining accusing it of not being tough enough. i guess curtis militants, here's a nato secretary general. i have uh just how the construct save that meeting with post on sizes are wrong and the problem is the case, the drum i'm glad to announce that the officers sold suppressed and the other one has agreed that to forward the accession protocol for sweden to the ground and so somebody as soon as possible. i work closely with the assembly to ensure ratification. this is to effect the, the in the joint press statement, just agreed the by persistence out the wrong problem is the case is wrong. on myself. the memorandum concur this year to go at them. i did some, it's has delivered, it has delivered more in our fight against terrorism,

more security for to kia. the stronger natal fiance is a non resident senior fellow and the foundation for the defense of democracies and an expert on turkish domestic politics and foreign policy with their judy. welcome to the day, what do you make of this statement by nato's installed and birth? were you surprised by and by a turkish change of heart? well, this was kind of the high stakes drama that some of us have actually been sort of molding of a for a while thinking well, he could say yes or you could say no, but we will not know until the billing is some of that. it looks like he's or president, our lines render a decision as well or 11th hour, depending on what your prospecting is. but it'll be interesting to see what the details behind the agreement to see whether it's searchable that she realized some of his policy goal requests. that is how to washington from washington in return for actually green lighting sweetens membership is also been announced that or no

one will meet us president joe biden tomorrow. so it showed we assume that means turkey has gotten what it wanted and what does it want? well, it will be interesting to see president biden can deliver on his promises to mister ireland. he's been suggesting that in return for turkey green, i think nato membership of sweden by them will use all of his sort of influence to try and convince the united states congress to lift its objections for turkey, acquiring new 5 digit specific. yeah, sixteen's. i'm not sure that's necessarily quit for a quote, because the us congress does have considerable oversight and will power whether it as soon as he gets he's got 16 fighters or not. it will remain to be seen where the president boynton can actually convince can grant a congressional committees, specific nevada and foundations committee to zip disk, present objections contributor was eating for 16 projects. what's, what's this ever about sweden and it's honestly and stores kurdish militants,

or even about turkish, accession to the you. something that he raised this morning, much to the surprise of his nato allies, to you know, what? no, um okay. it's it's, it's been, i think if you look at it, um, you know, this has been a very traumatic, pros, esplanade. so, but i think from se perspective, it has been, i would argue with disasters, diplomatic outreach because yes, that green its uh, been sweetens membership into the does what it's been, it's previously. but these 2 countries are not as necessarily going to be very supportive of searching centers, good board, least of all sweety support. that's obviously a european membership, which it was historically a final. and i don't think that's going to be on the issue anymore. but also look, there's considerable resentment on, on the part on the part of western allies to what started drawing this out for so long, particularly because it raises. so it makes essential questions on the future of the west of on specifically, what do you do with members by turkey and hungry?

who would be holding up? uh, you know, with the expansion of nato, for very sort of trivial reasons. mr. ad on may or may not get what do you want, but the reputation credibility of the traditional public in the face of native otherwise i would argue isn't. tasha is at this point, however annoying to the other members of the alliance. his veto to sweden's accession gave him a tremendous amount of power, though the weird is the stand within the lines. now without the sort of leverage or well, i don't know. i mean, you sure. i mean, no one has made some demands off of a specific united states and in that room, as we've just mentioned, in the realm of visor, widgets, whether it gets those or not it, we still don't know if that's going to happen. we'll have to wait and see, but that, you know, data side, i mean, where does turkey go from here in his relationship with the west? this is, seems to be sort of what i would call very sort of leveraging very sort of,

you know, hostage type type of diplomacy with critical into additional allies. an awful lot. um, if turkey had, you know, specific demands towards your opinion, membership or, you know, it's continued desire to acquire new weapon systems. there was probably a way to, to go about this without essentially holding it's less than ice hostage. this is not the best way to actually go and pursue your national interest and i think going forward. so if you will, sort of encountered a few problems in a to, in, in, in, in, in enron type of what it wants to achieve. yeah, stolen bird has said that early on made a clear commitment to swedish accession happening quote, as soon as possible. should we expect that to happen? smoothly. again, we'll have to wait and see me from my reading of it, and start on his basically stated that he will now sort of refer this mazda to the circus parliament for ratification. we'll have to see how quickly moves on that. but we'll also have to see, you know, if you know,

one of the problems to are the one, what is he going to get a return for this, that a company, nothing. if it is, i'd be very surprised simply because of all this time he spends in the entire 12 month space that you holding up the succession brokers process. so because he thinks he's going to get something out of this and it does nothing, you need me to turn that into quite a surprise. so we'll have to wait and see. in a recent article, your wrote, your recommend of nato allies show some tough love to turkey in response to what you call hostage style diplomacy. what should and could that look like? a look, i mean, so there's been tremendous relief in europe and the nature of capital, the velocity, you know, several minutes since this announcement came. right. and, but if you look at it on face finding turkey, approving, swedish membership of nato is not a breakthrough. is simply doing what all of us, there's one members are headed to have essentially agreed to it's not a massive sort of compromise on turkey's part. and this is the way to add one operates basically just saying, you know,

rushing up tensions until west essentially case. and thereby, are the ones that's the agenda until he gets what he, what he wants to achieve. out of this relationship top left could look like, look, you know, there are new, numerous new nato allies specific degrees, for example, which i saying look in return for, you know turkey's weapon sales from, from the united states. could we get some assurances that certainly wouldn't use the aspirant yet? so i type in eyes us. what about pro, the cooperation on ukraine, a support of ukraine? these would be the russian invasion, but can work on the more can we ask them to have the specific new realm of sanctions, enforcement against russia. we have one any concessions out of turkey on the, on this level. and so i think the west or nato specifically, or, you know, the united states could get a much bigger bang for its book by essentially aust, kentucky to be an actual ally. and not just, you know, a proof sweetness membership, which is the bare minimum of one an hour and kind of should be able to do well. who knows? maybe their listening seem to be of the foundation for the defense of democracies.

thank you so much. thank. it's raining media are reporting that a prominent wrapper, who backed and tire is in protest. last year has been sentenced to more than 6 years in jail to isolate he was arrested after expressing support for the mass demonstrations triggered by the death and custody of her. and encourage women mazda armine, as laura said, he was convicted of corruption on earth. that's one of the most serious offenses in the, as long as we're public, and the other demonstrators convicted of that have been sentenced to death. i'm drawing now by give on re a member of the german parliament. she's a political sponsor for too much delay here, which means she dedicates some of your time to promoting awareness of his case. welcome to the day. first of what's your reaction to the sentence? it is very mixed because as you said before,

um it looked very dire for him. um last november it looked like he might get the double death sentence because one of the very severe allegations was dropped in the last couple of months. um, so on one side the up pretty will leave that. he didn't get the desktops, but still 6 in the hobby as well. somebody who is in the end of all the things that he is accused off after 6 and a half years to manage. so it's very mixed and we don't really know how to feel about that now. um. yeah, well yeah, that's the every day of the day too many, you say other protesters convicted under discharge have been sentenced to death and executed. does this verdict mean the resume was worried maybe about public reactions to its treatment of to more someone who has a fairly high profile in around it. definitely. um, you could see that the regime is getting very nervous. all of his court dates were behind closed doors. we expected them to like,

instrumental lies him and to publicize whatever they took out of his trial. but they did not do that. they are now fairly likely that they have been a updates, so they seemed to be very nervous. the last, even last week they started to personally attack me another politic responses to so balance to they seem to be very afraid and they are very way off. what kind of supports he has world wide to marshall was arrested back in november. what can you tell us about his treatment in jail? do you know much about his situation while he was in solitary confinement for 2 on the 52 days that he didn't get to see anybody else, encore, the whole length of his day and then in prison so far. so i'm, it was, is there is anything really positive of this day is that he got transferred to a regular prison. also, he has contract 2 of the prison inmates and he will probably get visitors and said

he might get a little bit more contact with the outside world. he got to talk to it very badly as he could see in a video that was published by the ronnie ever seems a bit, but the bad beat him very, very badly. and the say is in this as of last. so you're welcome. you as much we did very nicely with you on one of 3. did well, if you didn't get any edits, we compete with for his interest. so him he is not doing well right now. yeah. the you as already impose sanctions on or reading officials over this case. what should be the next step as well, um, i'm on the side. we should never gets too relieved or too distracted over one sentence because that's only one political prisoner out of more than 200000. so we should never like think that that's how the region will react to all the cases. so we should um, watch out switching laws and everybody else to you. and we should like,

we should like push more politically because we see that people do the things that are working and the you have to keep working together as well as. and we should start united against tara that the region was doing and not be divided over national interest. i think that that's very, very important to do right now. that was given remember of the german parliament and political sponsor for too much solar he a rapper who just today received a 6 year sentence in iran over his role in the protest. they're saying, thank you so much. thank you. and that's our time. but make sure to stay informed, stay engaged and stay in touch. you'll find our team on twitter under stay that we news, or you can follow me out to nicole for, for now, though, from all of us here at the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day with the

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