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insulting back in vilnius semanski said he was confident that ukraine would be allowed to join the alliance after the war with russia. nato leaders have agreed to simplify ukraine's pos to membership, but failed to fix the firm. timeline stopped but said it was no more important to provide ukraine with enough weapons to win the war. so that's the aust nato countries to give you credit security guarantees. why that's why it's for his membership extra but the jim nipple 3. we'd greatly appreciate the recognition that ukraine will not need a membership action plan or no way to joining nato. and i would like to make progress at the summit for everyone. i'm super soldiers among for children, for everyone, particularly in terms of security guarantees. and that's which are so important for the people. yes, you have a security guarantee on the cetera, one or wait to joining nato, that's not instead of nato. so would security guarantee center way to integration?

see, these guarantees could be confirmed by the g 7 countries today. this will happen and we're working on marketing, but it's a lot that this will be a very important question. must believe i'm going to say on the results of the summit for good, for some across the water to receive an invitation. that is what i thought that would be ideal economy aliya. yep. so blows up, of course. and you know what? i mean, believe you die that, that joint press conference night, the secretary general, you installed the canals, a free pop package to easy ukraine's bids to become and they, to member ukraine is not closer to night to the ever before. i lies, reaffirmed that ukraine will become a member of the lines and agreed to remove the requirement for a membership back some time. this will change ukraine's membership pos from a 2 step process to one step process. and we will issue an invitation

for ukraine to join nato. when i let us agree, but conditions on it. this is a strong united message from allies on your part to nate to membership. today, we meet as equals. are look forward to the day we meet us allies. i mean, why russia has won't need to against offering ukraine anything. sang security guarantees would infringe on russia's security, ease of use, like some of them now. and they call it a following developments for us in vilnius entity if and i asked them both for their assessment off this joint statement. i think what struck me most was the fact that both of them still some back ends and landscape were focusing on the positive to doing the press conference. we know that because it ends and ends key was disappointed. football. it's the outcome initially because he

was appointed that ukraine was not granted a timeline for an invitation for joining the alliance. but during the press conference, him, besides that, he thinks that the results of this assignment were positive were good. and he described to this new body that was established here. then you need to ukraine council as an instrument of integration. stressing again and again the decisions made here in building use are bringing ukraine closer to ne, till, and that is of course, what it's done. so back, also stress to and he's remarks emphasizing that allies are going to continue their military support for ukraine. there is, for instance, a multi your program of military assistance that ukraine will be granted.

and they go over to you. uh, ukraine had help for a lot more formal invitation to join nato. for example. how does it pointed out? you finance? well, certainly, and that has been a lot of good disappointments, confusion in the ukraine press. no one was expecting that your membership wallace was active, but they certainly were expecting some kind of time table a lot simpler set. this doesn't actually look that much different to the kind of the woods that ukraine received back in 20 o 8 to the book or us the summit of nato. they say at the membership action plan that kind of previous list of homework to join nature has gone, but instead there's now 2 of conditions needing to be met. we've had you create informed mr. mutual collab of saying no one knows what those conditions are. it's in a way, it's even more confusing and even less clear what exacting grade needs to do, and is a real sense here in ukraine. but rather than escalating things, giving you crane a direct kind of clear perspectives. and nature would actually 2 lines in the sign

to make clear to russia that ukraine is heading west and there is no points. continuing this one, no point trying to destabilize ukraine. so there's a real sense if this is an opportunity, missed by the west to basically make it clear that this is not going to go most goes way i was on it all. the nato member stays including the bolted countries with somebody host lithuania as well. but i do want to clear the timeline for your crazy accession. how divided is the alliance on this issue? well, i think it's really, sir to say that there are divisions with india lions as to just sat the baltic states and poland for instance. they would have wanted to have a stronger language in the final communicate that they would have wanted to have a 2 year or perspective for nato membership for need. so for the alliance for ukraine, and there are, however, other nato countries,

among them the us and jeremy that has been having a much cautious approach in india. and we have to stress that all the allies needs to be on the same page. they need to unit name is sleep, agree on the final tax of that to us, to compromise that they were able to come up with manic from ukrainian perspective . is there a feeling that landscapes would turn it to ukraine? totally empty handed of the will say that he's trying to now focus on the positives, off to pretty open, quite emotional post on social media as to what he called the whole thing upset and way. he kind of made no secret of his anger disappointment. i think he thought he was going to bonus to get something totally different. he's now focusing and trying to underline school and you from the weapons that ukraine has got. germany has promised more americans built patriot mc mythology aircraft systems. there's 2 of more munitions from the u. k. end of the supplies. while the problem is that stuff

is increasingly needed now during ukraine. someone counts the offensive in the south of the country against the russian army. i think the kind of big thing is still we still haven't heard about. what's the outcome of the 1st of meetings expect some change him and by then i think there's real fair hearing. you find that the us ministrations most scared of russia going out of control being destabilized by ukraine being too successful in battlefield. and that they all kind of taking their eyes off the kind of aim of ukraine we gaining its territory. think there's a real, got a little be effort going, then there's going to be a real attention hearing to have to any kind of wording we get about what happens there. and a renewed commitment from the us to back ukraine and ukraine's demands to basically fight as long as it takes to it regains full control that turkey. um, but it's definitely a disappointment and there's no real spin would totally distract from the fact that this is less than zelinski was hoping to get to

w correspondence of some of phenomena in vilnius and it's totally n keeps. thank you. life has turned position towards ukraine, has been criticized by some leading foreign policy figures. one of them is coast of high school in the chief of the munich security conference to w, as christine, one of the spoke with him at the village. this summit to and i'm pleased to be in conversation with invested at crystal place, can he is che, off the munich security council, a bathroom once again. it's really good to be talking to you today. of course, ukraine's nato membership is a big part of the conversation. at the summit, you have voice support for ukraine, joining nato as soon as possible. how far would you like to see the airlines go at this? some is in putting ukraine on the pots, need a membership. it's us to understand where a come from. i was in 2008 to the advisor to transfer to america. we're in 2008. we said, this is not the right moment. ukraine is not ready for it. the people are not in

support. so in 2008, they didn't get membership. today the, the situation is totally different. and ukraine is the people are behind their application. they want to be part of nato. and to i think we, we have to go as far as we can. what does that mean? it means that they cannot become member right now, because due to the obligation to spend by their side, this withdrawal of the nature lines directly into the war. but this and some it, and i hope this will still happen, can invite ukraine to be part of the family and then have the new un nato ukraine council decide on the formalities. how do we go forward and what is it, what is it calendar? what are the and conditions still have to be met? but we have to go a huge step further from where we are right now. you hear that from

a lot of nathan bit split. why is they still reluctance from washington berlin. but with regard to a washington, i think you'll have to see all the. so we're the us comes from the us, comes from a situation where the demonstration wanted to concentrate on the new pick. so think they have been drawn by rush or into this war by delivering weapons to a large degree. and i don't know, i don't want to know where we would stand without the us support. and i think one of the calculations in washington is, and that if we extend now the membership to the ukraine, again, there is, 1st of all the united states that has to be committed to make it really and so that people are believing it. so the americans have to commit then also in the future for an ukraine, if it's a rush or

a text to begin to step in. i think what they ask for more or less public key is that the europeans have to step up to the plate that the u. p. and have to find the implement. what they've committed already in 2042 percent of g d, p for defense. so that when a crisis comes up, it's not again that us that has to has to carry the, the largest burden. so let's come back to the war raging in europe. as we speak, the counter offensive is making very slow progress. what can they do to help you crazy and soldiers fighting on the front lines to make those gains right now. we know that the russians have dug in, because they've had the time to do so. we posted every has been so slow. yes indeed, it would have been nice to have had the ukrainians in a position to have the weapons and to start their counter tech earlier. and now the only way forward is to continue to support the ukraine and continue to provide them

with weapons with more weapons, with fighter planes, with a longer range, mid side so that they can successfully and continue their counter off ends. it's because i see this is the only solution diplomatic solution that rusher understands . it cannot win this war, that rush or under sense. it's on the defensive. that is the moment when to teen then it's ready to negotiate. i want to talk about it 16 screen to pick. you talked about 5 digits, we know that you claim your pilots of being trained to fly them. why is the commitment to send and deliver these 5 digits as well? it's the same with other weapons, you know, we like it with germans with the leper tank. you know, for us it was really a big game changer to send weapons and tags into an area of conflict. then there was huge reluctance at the beginning at the end we deliver it saying would cite your plan to whether this is a step too far. people say at the beginning, no,

we can, but gradually people understand no, we have to do it. and so i think sooner or later, we'd see the f. 16 on the ground late, but hopefully not too late. the us is going to be sending class right, munitions, cluster bombs, to ukraine. do you support that decision? this is one of the toughest, the decisions that have been taken in for germany. there's this out of the question . we are part of the i am convinced that forbids it. and united states is not ukraine is not the end. if people suffer from it, it will be ukrainian people and if the ukrainian government out of desperation because they, they see how difficult it is. they see how deep it is to get the russians out of the trenches and to one to have that. i think it's very difficult from us now with you know this more of the judgment to tell them no, you cannot do it so and i think we have to accept that the letting me have savanski asked for these weapons and that they are that.