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a path ahead of us or ahead of, of the law makers and noticed the politicians here in brussels. we saw that today in the problem and it was a really tied route. so almost 5050. and that also means that not everyone in europe is really pro the climate goals, and some people also see that it is very difficult to to reach them is probably not strong savvy for to from brussel. thank you. i will come back to our top story. the nature of some of the villas is a wrapping up and we can now, i believe listening to a final statement. a bible of them is a lensky who is our school year. the outcome of the need, assignments and videos either were much needed and meaningful successful ukraine, and i'm grateful tool. leaders and nato congress were very practical. and i'm presenting data supports considering the keys while we're relations support for
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ukraine. today, there are security and guarantees for ukraine on the way to nato. an important package of security guarantees to date, we are good in a meeting with a g 7 congress. the framework for security, a guarantee of that sal being folder extended through or ronda mess with our key positive, as well as role and multilateral agreements and ukrainian delegation who's bringing home significant security be 3 and for the ukraine for our country where all our people for our children need openness for us. absolutely, and use to give it up to you and it is, and i think everyone has a made it possible. thank you. dear police. thank you. thanks for the same m. m e m, spelled number. thank you very much for
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the family. the i been for the one continuing out life coverage of that data summit, taking up from get how to f is let's take a look at some other world headlines now. how listed in present more a boss has paid a re visits in the janine refugee camp in the occupied west bank. it's his 1st visit in italy 20 years and comes a week off. the is right launch the military right. talking is limits militants inside the cap. 12 palestinians him on his way, they were killed in the operation, will not be heavy in the east parking city. pakistani city over the whole house
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today. here on the w news, they have leaders are wrapping up the annual summit in vilnius. they've been joined by president florida mesa lensky for the 1st nature ukraine council. and you group that brings keys closer to the military alliance. but nato has refused to offer its full membership, appearing alongside nasal chief against open the book and filled us. so then he said he was confident ukraine would be allowed to join the alliance after russia's war. nature was he does have agreed to simplify due credit spots to membership, but failed to fix if the timeline. so doug said it was now more important to provide ukraine was enough width is to win against russia. so okay, here at our chief is national editor, richard volk, is back with us in the studio. nate who had promised to deliver a clear and positive message regarding ukraine's future in the lines. would you say that that message has been delivered today?
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well, we had the lucky minister lensky just a moment ago, putting a much more positive spin on, on the these days have been the then he was doing yesterday, but he was voicing frustration that there's no kind of specific timeline. there's no actual, you know, official invitation yet to join nato. so in terms of, you know, is it positive? yes, but it's rather less clear. the message coming from data is simply saying that, you know, the ukraine's future is in nato and saying that an invitation will come when allies agree and conditions are met, but not naming what the conditions are. and this is simply saying, well, we'll agree when we agree, but i think it's very interesting to see what's happening now. and we think g 7 members also those, some members of nato and some members of the g 7. and now i'm seeing of security commitments to do training. so hopefully we'll be able to dip in a little bit at least to see what's being announced. that because i think this is an important part of a puzzle ticket from the americans, the germans saying,
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you know, it's not all about nato membership. it's also about being able to ensure long term, meaningful support militarily, to train in terms of what it needs to do now. and after c set and t, then it's going to keep getting the support that it needs. and what about the other side of things? the message that's being sent through bratia. well, yeah, i mean, the message to russia is that the west and to find support is a here to stay. and there's a recognition that i think pretend is trying to play the waiting game, trying to trying to simply out last the support coming to ukraine, counting on the idea that he will be able to keep sustaining his so she's for so long does. and the political and public support will, will manage to kind of keep going in the west for the level of support. the credit is being guessing, particularly looking ahead to do a selection. is they still hoping that maybe, you know, a new president comes in who, who's less committed to this?
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and so very important signaling coming from the west to the russians to say no, were in this for the long run. but i think there was some critics out there saying though that they could have given a clear signal if they'd been clear language about once this war is over, your, into nature. but they were, lemme see it because there's a concern that if you say, well, okay, you get into nato as soon as the war is over. well, does that just provide the coaching with an incentive to keep the ball going adam for an item and what happens to you? crash borders then? i mean, that's a really tricky one. well, that's obviously it's a, it's a major on certainty it out with a ukraine will be able to make enough progress in the fighting of this war to reclaim enough territory to really restore as board is what will be the basis of any potential future negotiation. that's all very much of the. yeah, because just to make it clear, 12 you was once it does in today's always been the board is that it is now. i mean,
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what, what russia holds as its territory belongs ross is what, what it holds its own territory. ukraine. it hold on to. well, i mean, the nature of cause comes with this commitment. what's called of our school 5, that the order of the members of nato will rally to the support of any country that may be attacked. or it's that is territory interpreters, infringed. obviously if the ukraine is nursing the positions that it controls all of his territory, then you have a question to let you know positive you pregnant. and they told you call at all if you 5 minutes. and they said, because that would immediately mean that nature. then has to try to fight to we to regain that territory. so a lot of uncertainties about about that. and i think that's a lot of the reason why the message is coming nato is this makes it is. yeah, i'm so could zalinski of hope for any anything more from this uh what. well, i think i'm pretty well i think his hope was for us it in for clear language. so the fact for instance, that, that, you know, in the communicate, says that when allies agree and when conditions are met,
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this emotionally throws up the questionable what conditions. what are you talking about here? you know, and at the same time, again, saw some bugs. the 60 general of nato said that they going to remove the use of conditional fit for joining nato, which has to go through a process called the membership action plan, which is this process of fulfilling targets. and you know, they tow observing progress on the range of areas from democratization to the economy, to, to military interoperability. the nicer saying, hey, we're not going to require that table. but still saying conditions must be matched . and zalinski said that we just today, we need to know what conditions you're talking about. yeah. that's totally understandable. what do you think about the support coming from the west? so we've had friends, we've had the netherlands, we've had commitments from them, germany as well, saying as long as it takes we will be there for ukraine. i mean it's, it's the same message all over and over again, isn't it?
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yeah, i mean is pretty much what we've been hearing of the last year and a half, you know, coming into this, the germans announce yesterday that they go to, you know, it's a new package, i think, a few 100000000 euros, including patriot and defense systems. and the range of other things, you know, so just an updates in the, in the support. but what we're guessing today from the g 7 is, is this idea of more of a kind of a long time frame by saying that to one of our countries are committed to providing this with the support of our long period there being comparisons with the kinds of support, the israel gets from the united states. um, so these are legally codified commitments from the united states to provide israel with a military age within its region so that it can defend itself. so. so the idea is that perhaps the united states would also like to come up with legislation to, to, to codify that ensure that, that it is applied to provide that sort of support. there was similar law,
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for instance, codifying american support for taiwan and skeptics of all of this as a book. you know, if you look at the situation of israel, it's not the most secure place in the world and it has nuclear weapons. it's additional kind of trump card in terms of his defense. ukraine does not have nuclear weapon, new states, i think is of and if you look at taiwan, well, it took the commitments from the united states. and taiwan security are actually relatively ambiguous. and the of the last couple of years we've seen concerned about the risk to taiwan is only increasing. so taiwan has been kind of kept afloat by relatively ambiguous security commitments from the united states for the last 40 years or so. there's a concern that might, with these might be, can be starting to unravel. so low way of saying that, you know, is rarely so model or taiwan is your model. not necessarily that reassuring to ukraine. of what i say, you know, the one thing that would reassure us is nathan membership. and at they do
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understand that you called just like say, all right, let's announce today and zone use your in nature because that would be time to match. and they so then declaring war on russia, because uh, if you credit is member of nato ends in price, it'd being faded then. okay, there you go. awesome. cool. 5 of what we'd need to kick in. so there's understanding that the, that is not an option, but it's just about the credit is wanted is as much clarity as possible, and we're still in the area of pretty vague language. okay, our international editor, richard will, can thank you very much for time and get again we'll bring you in again as we continue our rolling coverage of this summit. let's go over now to christine. well, who wouldn't fly? christine, could you tell us a bit more about whether or not you think ukraine is getting? that's a military edge from all the places where hearing from the west, it's not getting exactly the type of wording it would like to get as far as nathan membership. eventually made a membership goes, but it is certainly getting more places from the west. it's absolutely been
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so while ukraine will not get well, has not gotten that invitation with a timeline specifying when they to the membership is possible for you. crane and number of security guarantees, security pages has been made here. we know that, for example, in his briefing a short while ago, the gentleman johnson to say that those security pages will be long term and that they can rely on them. so that is effectively the messaging here, and we know that that's something that presidents the lensky has expressed grace, gratitude for the teeth tone today. very different to that 3 to put out when he learned that ukraine was not going to be getting that timeframe for nato membership. he was not softer today, expressing more gratitude off to having engaged the allies,
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i think crucial for the ukrainian president and something that he emphasized in his press conference earlier with the native secretary general was that the security guarantees were part of a. we'll give it to ukraine on its way to nathan membership, not instead of nato membership and for what we know of the security guarantees will, will, would really secure more ministry aid for, for ukraine, as well as economic aid in the long term. well, let's talk more about that timeline. and the dynamic is quite interesting here. very different reaction from germany and the u ways as far as delay is here, go other nathan naples of including the politics nations with somebody who is this . when you do want to clear the timeline or ukraine's accession, how divided would you say, is the alliance on this as well? yeah, absolutely. right. then use the you hit the nail on the head they were sending.
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besides, you see a list of them all to countries when it's posted, who are pushing for stronger language, who wanted nato to go as far as possible at this. some is in terms of, it's providing a policy to ukraine full that needs a membership. it's clear to everybody, and presidents and lensky reiterated himself, it's not possible for ukraine to get membership right now as long as the war was raging prisoners against. he said he wasn't a woman, and he wasn't interested in triggering bold, well 3. so there was that understanding, but certainly that the all allies, he has who felt that the alliance could have fond, strong, in terms of its support for ukraine submitted for membership. i'll, i'll, i'll cite your conversation that i had with the chair with communities munich, security conference that's highlighting the fact that it's, this is a difficult one for washington as well. that in effect, european allies had to pull their weight. because right now, we know that washington is lifting the heaviest food and when it comes to support for ukraine, ukraine's.
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