the name on the hey, they were some of the sites you see a list of impulsive countries. what is pull that? who are pushing for stronger language, who wanted nato to go as far as possible at this? some is in terms of, it's providing a possibly to ukraine, full of that nature membership. it's clear to everybody in presidency. lensky reiterated himself. it's not possible for ukraine to get membership right now, as long as the war was raging presidency. and he said he wasn't a woman, he wasn't interested in triggering bold. well, 3. so the wasn't understanding precision. be that the all allies, he has who felt that the lions could have gone strong in terms of its support for ukraine's. but it's for membership, i'll, i'll, i'll cite your conversation that i had with the chair with communities, meaning security conference that's highlighting the fact that it's, this is a difficult one for washington as well. that in effect, european allies had to pull their weight. because right now, we know that washington is lifting the heaviest burden when it comes to support for ukraine. ukraine, nato membership would need strong,

significant backing from the united states as well. is that something that the us can commit to at a time where it's closer look at other areas and with domestically, there are more questions in congress than other courses of the country questioning the level of support and commitment. so the message here is, of course, that this is an alliance that agrees that at some point this ukraine's made to membership is inevitable. but in terms of providing those that, that p a timeframe that other members would have liked to see at. that's not something that they were able to do and because of the us and, and berlin as well. okay. uh, christine, i just have a question for richard. i'm talking about the divided nights. so when it comes to an issue like this, eventually timeline for ukraine membership, how much of a problem is that a divided basis? well, i mean cause they, they've tried to paper over those divisions and they've found language with that which everybody can agree with. but of course, when you have like to everyone,

i can agree with you end up with ways rather vega language and i think it really, we just don't know yet to what extent these kind of divisions will turn out to be meaningful or perhaps just incidental. but, but maybe just to even looking at the, the respect to positions within the united states in germany, which of the 2 countries which have been, you know, the ones with that kind of flips on the brakes here. if we compare what bars story is, which is germany's new defense minister said about the, the communicate, he said, and that needs to be with german television just yesterday. i just nursing it down here that once the war is over, ukraine, joining nato can go very fast. he's, you know, it's kind of a, be pretty trivial massive. where is joe biden? us present insights. just a couple of days before in an interview with cnn. is going to take a while, this is a complicated thing, and this is one reason why we're going to do these g 7 based security commitments

to ukraine, to kind of tide it over, you know, a, during that period. so even among 2 countries that a 3 to kind of price on the break a little bit, you can have really very different spins and interpretations on what we're hearing here. one person saying it can go very fast. what was worries over and the how the saying, oh is going to take awhile into, into countries you think would be in communication exactly. although right now on the, on the same facts at least so. so that's kind of the, that's the both the upside and the downside of having such vague language imaging get everyone to agree with it. but it coming off to is everyone else. everyone's going round saying something different about yeah, and of course view of ukraine. you think, okay, which one is it? yeah. which one is it? and of course, you know who's, who has more influence between the us presence and the german defense minister. well, we know the answer to that question. so, um, so you, yeah, so,

but we don't know yet. and one reason we don't know yet is we simply don't know what, what is it going to be the circumstances under which you cry might get to the point where it could potentially join nato. i. e, the war is over or at least paused. what happens? what happens at work that has, it matters to kick, brush it out completely. all of its territory seems quite unlikely. is it still divided? okay, well, what happens then? i mean, some people hold up the, just the example of west germany joining nato, a decades ago in the off to mazda of the 2nd world war away when germany was divided between east west. but germany, at that point, gave up any expectations of re taking control of eastern germany. i would ukraine be willing to do that? so we joined nature to, to draw these to loads of questions. this is why you end up with this. okay. we cannot deal with these questions, we kind of, i explained the situation and why you end up with

a language like this. let's also bring in christine again, um and talk about what nato has been promising rather than what it hasn't been promising. and some of the top it is a little bit more concrete. we heard from a secretary general sold and doug saying that they would change ukraine's membership of a 2 step process to one step process. what does that mean? christ date? yeah. well then, just picking up from, from the point richards making here, you've got to take into account that finland and sweden, sweden. now have you just joined the line for peace that lisa so to being paid off to prison, a good one. removed his objection and they were offered basically the same pause, removing one of the requirements. so instead of a 2 step process, that's one staple single step process. but look at the fact that it took sweden a body yet to get into the alliance. and this is a sweet and that doesn't have all the baggage of if i can put it that way, that ukraine as to which it has just been sizing. so you, you can almost see how,

even with that promise offset of a fast track process, one would assume that we're moving a step makes the process quicker. that this has bound to take a while, especially in a world where you have but some of the states right now who haven't really been focal about their reluctance of ukraine's full membership into the alliance. there's conditions that, that the secretary general speaks of. what all those conditions, um and, and, and, and how, and what time frame will they be met with in the so in as much as the wording seems simple and it sounds like it's a straightforward process. it is very, very vague to reach his points and you can almost see how this might drive on if we, if sweden is anything to go by christina, picking up on something you were talking about before an entity, the base crystal voice in the chief of munich security conference data, his current position towards you credit has been criticized by some leading foreign

policy because including him, the chief of the unique security conference, dw christine will hold while i spoke with him accidentally as some of the top of this a. and i'm pleased to be in conversation with invested at crystal place. again, he is che, off the munich security council. and that's always good. it's really good to be talking to you today. of course, ukraine's nato membership is a big part of the conversation. at the summit, you have voice support for ukraine, joining nato as soon as possible. how far would you like to see the airlines go at the summit in putting ukraine on the pots need a membership? it's, you have to understand where a come from. i was in 2008 to the advisor to tense. the america, we're in 2008. we said this is not the right moment. ukraine is not ready for it. the people are not in support. so in 2008 they didn't get membership. today the, the situation is totally different. and ukraine is the people are behind their

application. they want to be part of nato. and to i think we, we have to go as far as we can. what does that mean? it means that they cannot become member right now because due to the and obligation to spend by their side, this withdraw the may 2 lines directly into the war. but this and some it, and i hope this which does happen, can invite ukraine to be part of the family and then have the new un nato ukraine council decide on the formalities. how do we go forward and what is it, what is it calendar? what are the and conditions still have to be met? but we have to go a huge step further from where we are right now. you hear that from a lot of need some input split. why is they still reluctance from washington burden? but with regard to washington,

i think you'll have to see also where the us comes from. the us comes from a situation where and that ministration wanted to concentrate on the new pacific. they've been drawn by russia into this war by delivering weapons to a large degree. and i don't know, i don't want to know where we would stand without the us support. and i think one of the calculations in washington is, and that if we extend now the membership to the ukraine, again, there is, 1st of all the united states that the has to be committed to make it really. and so that people believe in it. so the americans have to commit then also in the future for ukraine, if, if it is a rush or a text to begin to step in, i think what they ask for more or less public key is that the europeans have to step up to the plate that the europeans have to find to implement what they've

committed already in 20142 percent of g d, p for defense. so that when a crisis comes up, it's not again that us that has to has to carry the, the largest burden. let's come back to the wall, raging in europe as we speak, the counter offensive is making very slow progress. what can they do? have like i have to leave christine's interview the and shooting now to insult the ukraine. closer to the lions, i meet in the council to discuss and decide ask equals. this is a significant step to move your train closer to nate to also welcome the major new announcements of mentor support made by 8 dollars. at this summit, allies have order to provide the 10s of billions of dollars in mandatory ages to help the fact restaurants invasion. a tens of thousands of ukrainian tubes had been

changed on the crib. it's about $8.00 on us. you train the continues to do bread territory, would stand by them for as long as it takes. yesterday we agree, the new multi year assistance package for your crane to help them fission you creating from sort that alternate to equipment and standards and make the forces fully interoperable with nate to ukraine is now closer tonight to than ever before . finalize reaffirm doctor created will become a member of nato and agreed to remove the requirements for a membership action found. this will change ukraine's membership pop from a 2 step process to one step process. we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join nato. when all of us agreed that the conditions are, i'm at this sense clear and strong and united message from our

business summons. we must ensure that run this war ends. there are credible arrangements in place for ukraine security. so it history does still repeat itself a welcome that many hours have now committed to providing long term security assistance to ukraine. this will help the tour and it shoots progression from rochelle auster. the war ends this morning. and we met with the leaders of australia, prom your seat on south korea, as well as the european union. nato is a regional alliance. but we face global challenges to what's happens in europe matters to the end the pacific. what's happened since in the pacific? mathis to north america? um your buildings, global assertiveness, and most goals ward against ukraine,

required even close to coordination between nathan, the, you are in the pacific partners. we call them north cordell's, new kid. i miss our programs including its latest, besides launch, these violates multiple un security council solutions and posts of it to regional on global security. nato is reinforcing our ties with australia and ponder sealants and south korea retained a partnership programs. including joint work on this, just like the amount of time security, new technologies, cyber climate change on the recipients. we'll work even more closer together standing strong for rules based in knoxville order. we face the most serious security situation decades, but almost a rising to the challenge made this more united the never standing strong in

defense or people and our values. i would like to close by thanking president no, said the thing and government and the people of fitness for hosting this historic summit. i look forward to the washington summit next year, marketing this of the 5th anniversary of all our alliance with us. i'm ready to take some questions. so let's take a of the political and thank you very much to leave minor from political secretary general after reading to communicate some ukrainians have raised concerns that perhaps some western capitals may be preparing for a situation where ukraine's nato membership would be a chip in a negotiation with russia. what is your response to ukrainians who have that concern at the moment? thank you. we have

a very good meeting with our best of them scanned his certification today where he welcome the, the very strong message from a nice all i. so he welcome to establishment of the night the ukraine council and also the care commitment to move ukraine closer to a membership. so this was not the issue raised in any of those, those meetings. and i think it is extremely important to to recognize that the decisions you, i made the only dollars is the strongest, every message on ukraine, a membership that these alliance ever ever made the vide states and canada to train will. because remember that your prints future it's in and nathan, also in describing the path forward with the practical support for it and showing interoperability with a strength and the political ties with the need to train counsel. and then by removing the requirements for the membership action time, then.