to bite and drawing in place of parallels between this situation in this way new which was on the soviet occupation for so long. and, and so the situation now in ukraine, i guess the kind of a couple of underlying messages coming from from biden bonham, which is the, and this is a message that we have over and over again in many, many different contexts. but really trying to kind of drive home, we're in this for the long hold, you know, when we're not going to kind of drop you. and part of the concern that is, i think, can you great and also been parts of europe that you know, what happens if a degree of fatigue sets in lie the, in public's or government or that the, the biggest kind of potential breakthrough could happen is if it is late next year when there's a presidential election in the united states. if biden is defeated by a donald trump or another candidate who is much more skeptical about the line to

bite in his head towards ukraine, so bite and really trying to hammer home the point that know this is, you know, the united states has to stay trying to of you know, it saves a person wrongly believes that he can out last to grant that he can out last the crane to us and supporters. and that, that is a miscalculation on, on cushions part. and then i think the other kind of underlying point that he had in terms of, you know, he talks about this whole furnace and inflection point, i think kind of fits in with this the, the overall message that we've had from him of the last couple of years the dates and kind of an era of democracies trying to push back and defend themselves against or talk receives you know, sort of back to live the systems. and i think that was underlying an awful lot of what he talked about as well. let's go back over to alexander. i hope you can hear me there. the nato allies haven't given ukraine a timeline yet. when it comes to membership and tell me what you think about what you've had state. as far as the west is involved with meadows,

this is what i need speech here. president biden, once again stressed at that, do you as is so determined to support ukraine as long as it's takes, as he put it said at or as well saying that so we will note wave. and since stressing by saying that at that you cream can rely on view as, as pot not. but of course, we know w as administration was very cautious when it came to the question whether ukraine could be given and the timeline for an invitation for joining the alliance. we know that inviting ukraine right now to become a member, which means that need to, could be driven into a direct conflict with russia. and biden has addressed many times that it's also important for a longer term perspective for ukraine,

that they also not only will be able to win this war, but also to implement important reforms when it comes to the functioning of democratic institutions fight against corruption. so view as was one of the nature of the need for countries worst kept eco when it comes to queens, wish to have a timeline for joining the alliance. but here, once again, the u. s. president's address to that to even though they were not ready to extend this invitation, there was still determined to support ukraine with weapons, with equipment, with anything they might need to prevail as an independent states. thank you, alex, on to another question to you, richard. when off the bite and said that we will not waver out support within a week. and as long as it takes he and went on to say that this war must end on

stead terms and refer to territorial integrity and software and take a how north is that possible? well, in the west and supporters of ukraine and trying to make that possible by providing ukraine, but with the means and the weapons and the support to, to try to push back it as much as possible. but i think that that messaging is messaging that we hear from us, but also from other european supporters of ukraine, which is partly aimed at the kind of messaging that we get from china. and where the you is, the chinese, i think you get the impression that they would simply like to have lucy's father. pretty much sort of puts the, puts the conflict debate and allows the return back to sort of business as usual on a global scale. and without worrying too much about whether a certain amount of territory ends up here will that um, and this is a concern for western supports as view train because they see the appeal

potentially, of a message like that to other countries around the world. which also concerned about where you know the status of the don't bass, they all concerned about the, the impact on the ball, the economy, and the western sports view train say no, you simply cannot have a, an outcome that rewards pretends aggression that this would be the dangerous precedent in the world, and at that there has to be an outcome that is just, but of course, with it that can be, achieve will depend a lot on the outcome on the battlefields. i mean, this is not being, this is not in this stage of diplomacy. this is at this stage of fighting and, and to the us and west and backing for ukraine is absolutely central to whether ukraine will be able to achieve anything like that is something that could make a difference is the use or the height and use or increase use of costa munitions, which the u. s. has been talking about in the past days. a stop sending to your

clients. what sort of the message does that send the? remember the cost of munitions a band by over a 100 countries? not the us rush, or will you correct? yeah, well this isn't a controversial decision that the us has made. and, and joe biden has said that he, he was reluctant to make a decision and took a lot of persuading in the comments that he's made to the press about this. the bible ministration is arguing that this is simply a pragmatic move that they don't have enough of the munitions that of the conventional and munitions that ukraine needs. and therefore, until they can ramp up production sufficiently, they're going to kind of tide you crate over by providing these trusted munitions. but it is set, it certainly undermines the, the image of this as a sort of good versus evil tobacco because these are, these are, these are weapons that so condemned by humanity that as you say, move in house of the countries in the, in the world have banned them,

so i think this is certainly something that is controversial and yeah, is certainly not great for the image of either ukraine or the united states and, and will be looked upon in many parts of the world as, as a rather cynical move um. but the us simply saying, okay, we have to, it's a reality. ukraine needs munition, we compromise nice of, of, of conventional sorts. and that's why they making this move. one more question for alexandra is still standing by for us in video is what is the way forward now. nato having held its annual meeting bite and giving his message of hope, but still very, very vague. a road map i i guess all or lack of a road map when it comes to you prince future i think that's what became clear. the steps need to all i was once a socialist septic to support for your friend,

because the key question is right now is to deliver anything thing needs. so they, they are able to advance their accounts are offensive and so they know they are able to take back their territory. i think that is the most important goal that was stressed and emphasized by many types of states here. and also need to officially when it comes to ukraine states width. and they told me they didn't get an invitation. they didn't get a timeline by, but they got a new study, an you, a new council, the nato ukraine council. and that is indeed an upgrade of their status with nato dad and buddy what they can fix with all the allies as an equal partner. they can speak about any issues that are important for them at for them.

this is also the place where the foreign ministers of nato countries will be taking stock of the kind of reform w crane still needs to implement when they become a member of the alliance. once the war is over. is there some progress on that front uh, from like, sounds of phenomenon in video. thank you very much for following eventually for us today. and richard boca our chief international editor here with me in the studio. well, let's take you over now to washington correspondent and she had a cough now who's been listening into bite and speech. what did you make of his remarks? so i thought it was most striking that this started off as a nature speech, but it then became much bigger. and he spoke about this being a struggle for the both of the road to be defended for democracy to, to be defended in the future. there were a lot of references towards the asian pacific, of course, with the united states squarely standing off against china on

a particularly on security, which could spill into their economic relations as well. so well, joe biden, here after his bilateral meeting with the music landscape, literally said to him, it is going to happen, meaning the nato membership, but still refusing to give a timeline also over democracy. it concerns uh, but also when it comes to issues like corruption and he at the same time reminded everybody that while this is essential conflict and the nature of standing together, the g 7 countries standing together over this is part of a much bigger struggle. there he said the united states did on ukraine, but it always does. it stands together. it stands up uh to uh, the well here in this case of lighting there piercing those threatening freedom. so it's an over baffle of freedom. at the same time, he also had some go to music lensky just a few hours before that speech uh,

the music lensky actually spanking the united states. uh, he said he took the reminder by jake sullivan, the national security coordinator, that the american people had stood up and that they deserve an amount of prostitute . and that's more than a hint towards the united states. yes, having to message through joe biden, to stick through this with ukraine for as long as it takes yes to fight. and having said that, the membership of nature will eventually happen. but at the same time that back up not to be taken for granted at all, particularly with a view of 2024. and those presidential elections here in the united states, which could see the republicans potentially donald trump return. yeah, you said if we way hearing promises and i just from dubai and the conference, you as president of this is a present war and it's going to take more time before it's over. um and that could mean a different you ways president. so how much support festival do we have in the

american public? would you say you claim for providing more weapons and providing the line share of a as well the polling. so as actually throughout that, about 2 thirds of americans, i found the behind support for ukraine. having said that, it wouldn't be the nicest states if there was differences between republicans and democrats. and in the republican camp. we have seen on the question of whether too much is being done. we're seeing a rise that almost half of republicans between 44 and 49 percent depending on which folding you believe and say that they feel that the support is too much. just as a reminder, it's more than $46000000000.00 that have gone into military support overall with the humanitarian assistance. it's more than $75000000000.00 us dollars that have been spent on ukraine and just over a year of this conflict now, and it's safe to say that these levels of support of pretty safe leading up to the

us elections come the end of 2024 but anything beyond that, that means this could be thrown into question and quite clearly, this is something that inviting me uprooted. has his, i found the on that that could be a change that could be a disruption that could play in his direction. but that's it. for the open question here, what will happen on the ground? what will happen in the past will field up until that that the pressure is certainly going to be on, especially after the elections. but the will, the pressure, i guess, then it'd be, and the otis be on the you when it support a few as well. that certainly is the expectation. but i think we have just seen a reminder where the power really lies. for instance, in persuading tarkey to actually give the green light for sweet us membership of nato. it took a conversation by 2 by then it took a pledge of f sixteens. that's what we're hearing here. so the power silver says,

so the e u has a long way to go to actually prove that it can handle its own security, and it has the political clout, it takes to make security policy over a reality. here also in his own backyard, washington correspondent each other, cuz now thank you very much for your take a quick reminder of our top story. you as president obama has said, nato is stronger and more united than ever at the close of the alliance is annual summit speaking in the years i've been physical. thank you very much for joining us here. on the w, the people are fighting over water in the name, the struggle has increasingly fitted herders against farmers. everyone here for this precious resource to survive the day is a new man who wants to mediate these disputes. to stop the vicious cycle of

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