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29 on the w to fax looted under colonial rule, are increasingly being returned to the original owners. in 2022 germany began we patch reading the same as spinning bronzes to nigeria. today. this is the earlier i came from, cameron came to building, requesting the return of these peoples mother goddess the indigenous saw many people in finland are also seeking. they were patch creation of artifacts from gemini, the in, in ton c, beethoven's 8 symphony or she was doctoral faces for time, from poland. things around the world wide. but it's a complex issue. the, the,
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the in the nigerian capital, a bu, joe, an airplane from the german government, touched down on the 18th of december 2022. its priceless cargo, a message to the world. that germany was following up as in re patch reading banning bronzes to nigeria. a 125 years off today was seized by the british. the 2 government ministers attended the ceremony for the official hand over it was designed to be the 1st of many such deliveries the we didn't find out what this key was used for. maybe to unlock the shrine,
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maybe tell us store, but what do we do know is that off to being rob company, it was brought to breton, but not only to bridge, and finally ended up in the city of kudos. today a, this key is fact the treasures included a smaller version of a famous mosque held by the british museum. its return added to the pressure on the former colonial power own $230.00 by commission is the cause has come. this moment in germany on often will gradually re penetrate the artifacts of the owners will tell us when they want, which objects and which order to the common point. the historical kingdom of bending was located in what is now southern nigeria. the bronzes were looted by
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british forces in 1897, when they re did the royal palace. and what has now been in the city that included the controversial queen mazda area mosque that london has so far, refused to return. other bronzes was sold to buyers all over the world. could they return now, boost opinion cds, reputation as a cultural center and draw more visitors. the trip by the german delegation with the company media attention could certainly help artists have been opening new studios in the city, heading to the momentum scaled cod. so should i do believe that our visit here in the cargo we brought is historic. and then the other important point is to think about what cooperation between museum should look like and scope of a to be easy to our field. modern art from here that is still powerful, we want to bring it to a unit of the kindest african film. for example,
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coming to germany, we need to come down from our euro centric throne. but not everyone is applauding germany's decision. some say the bronze is, have actually been returned to the descendants of slave traders and that they have blood on the this is the law. the stupidity is clear that the beginning royals were not just victims, but also perpetrators of the kingdom ebony and regularly went to war against neighboring groups. they plundered, killed and took slaves for splost, conic most and every king. after ascending the throne, they would have to basically wage a war of all. and so there are huge areas in the territory surrounding the kingdom, where people suffered out of pocket means it size and income. many of those captured was sold to trans atlantic. slave trade is and shipped to the american east coast today. many of the defendants in the us,
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a highly critical up to decision to return. the bronze is one of them when they set up a restitution study group in new york and has been following the developments closely . they demanding a say in the current restitution process. the bronzes themselves are key, as they were made by melting down currency and from the slave trade, we call this blood metal. this is a manila, this was a form of currency that the been a kingdom was paid and exchanged for, and slave people. people that they sold into the trans atlantic slave trade to your opinions these manila is we're a 50 page per woman, $57.00 per man. okay. so the bronzes are actually contained this metal, and we consider them part of our legacy. as part of our wells, we should be co owned is because this is, this is precisely the thing that our ancestors westlake,
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the descendants of the slaves do not want the bronzes to return to been in the city . they say they should be kept where they are in various institutions, like philadelphia's pen, musing, and they want museums to use the bronzes to tell the victim story of suffering. the key right of the collection is a strong proponent of involving the descendants of the slaves in the shaping of the exhibition and has reached out to the community. we wanted to make the story the narrative about as slaves in a little more complex. so this is a, a, an image that is very well known as a diagram that shows how the africans enslaved were placed in the bowels of the boats. when we asked people in the community, what did they want to see here? that's what they wanted to see. what is the connection between and slaves, and what is the connection between colonialism? what is a collection between african independence the black lives matter movement has
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served to highlight the systemic injustices suffered by people of color and increase the desire to address the rooms at the past. the humbled form in berlin still has many ben in bronzes. the museum was named of to german naturalist alexander phone, humbled a man who despised the slave trade. so shouldn't the museum make a special effort to involve the descendants of the slaves? and the rest of choosing dialogue covers this week because i think it's important that everyone who is involved in this process who feels involved in some way or feels they should be involved and should be given a voice on the bottom. so then why shouldn't that be possible here? thinking, i think that's important, which doesn't mean that we don't consider the repatriation process, correct? well, could we still do that a couple times, but we're open. the humbled form is a place that is evolving using too often does some things will continue to change here and why not give these people a voice and go to misuse,
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managed to make in the home board for them is giving a voice to many in the debate by the restitution, but not yet to the descendants of african slaves. that is about to change the body but it's not just of black white divide. we had now to the finals of finland with the thousands of use, the annual rain, the migration cycle shapes the lives of the saw me nomads. today, they one of the last indigenous peoples in europe. but climate change, which is transforming the landscape on which the herds depend. mining companies are also competing for the natural resources under the permafrost, and new railway lines and cutting of randy rhodes. the saw me a struggling to preserve their way of life, language and culture. we are fighting. we
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apply thing at the moment for all a saw me parliament act. we are fighting the magical northern lights where traditionally seen by the saw me as a dock i'm and send from their ancestors. but today they use the fascination of the overall to promote the annual film festival. the scott mug about its held in the finished village of erie for the past 25 use. the 7 saw me communities here have screened films showcasing the history the saw me way of life was almost wiped out completely on more than one occasion. whether it was through the takeover of the land. forced christianize ation russian annexations,
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language bands or pressure to assimilate. but since the middle of the 20th century resistance amongst the somebody has grown, there is a determination to preserve their culture long or uncle as he to the he is in that is some is a tiny language. there are only about 404-0450 people who speak this language. so it's been a huge thing to realize that is anything you do in such a small language has a huge impact. the see the museum in energy showcase is a collection of semi artifact, but many of them can only be viewed on computer screens. that's because the original is a scatter, the museums all over the world. this sherman's drum is that a museum in germany. many drums were destroyed by the christian priests.
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archaeologists took other treasures from an island in lake erie that was sacred to the summit. so to evans from prison found a silver head band here. it is now returned from oxford to energy, but ownership has still not been transferred to the summit. we call it the 1st symbolic repeat creation of that the cedar museum had, and it is in the museum as a long time lows. many, most of the cultural artifacts can be found in billions, museum of european cultures. the museum has now started a research project with the saw me to study the cultural treasures together around $1600.00 objects and models, photos, and paintings to be sifted through over the next few years. did so when, when to both sides. if christina knew land control on the well of,
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of some of the exhibits for her post doctoral research at the same time, she's an ambassador for a culture that few in europe's museums know much about stuff on it. but i'm convinced that many museums are not fully aware of everything in their collections. i need to sign on something. and it's the same for me, especially when it comes to exhibits where the culture is so different from our own home decide it's like so me culture of it is, which is so old that we're just not familiar with latest a set up on a lot of things, but that's not enough, is if it is i'm going to use us a high spaced protective suits are a must in the museum storage. that's because many of the objects have been treated with pesticides. they wouldn't have survived all these years otherwise. now every single pace has to go through a detox. the researches find
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a number of sacred objects in the collection. so based on the left here have been sacrificed given as a gift to the natures they come from the in the area and it was a place where you would give gifts to this under god. i don't want to touch them if it's not necessary. it's very touching to think that they are here in berlin, and it would probably be good if they could be returned. the museum agrees that the time of the com, steve stiff employees, there's a lot of depression, cultural heritage foundation is open to the idea of restitution. the can we need to work with this? tell me, and we are taking a 1st step by studying the provenance of the stomach collection. but that's why ava christine a new lender is here to look through everything on the album. shine named is very, this is very the interest in the see them use a impact and you know,
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read is in the process of organizing and putting on display the finish. national museums saw me selection, which was returned from helsinki 2 years ago. this fight to preserve, they called true heritage also highlights the role of women in some a culture here, artifacts and not repacked created. for example, the re max creative tradition damage the shape of the women's traditional holland cap, underlined the strong position in society. so we came that also like to cost data is to seen birth for fair dvd. and uh, yeah, i think it's wonderful how we say that that the re match we a, some starts from where the petri ation does not reach. the priests says that the devil are lives in this protrusion and the priest used to burn them. of course today to the refers to my 3 out of colors in malls, so it, it
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a to kind of list up the role of indigenous woman in this case. i am a woman. as a caretaker of, of the society is christina new land joined forces with autism otp scheme to express the use of research through the medium of contemporary art. the exhibition that the cedar museum looks at the hatch is something worn with pride by previous generations of women. the exhibition is an appeal to other assignments to reclaim the heritage, the but when it comes to the restitution of cultural assets, seemingly irreconcilable differences exist even between members of the european union. since the end of world war 2, the polar city of cracow has held the so called bellanca collection. it comprises
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many outstanding works of the german language, including henry to manuscripts from good to the green brothers dictionary. frederick schiller's ducks, real faces beethovens and symphony and drawings by alex on the phone, humboldt windsor heights and our position. and the position of the german government is that there are of course, the legal property of the prussian cultural heritage foundation in this, in this. but the germans did terrible things in poland to pull in. and when you think about that history and then start talking about prostitution, can you get a not in your throat? for at least i do. you might say muslim garbage placed since 1989 german researches who hold a ph. d can look at the manuscript stored at the yag alone in library in krakow. but even now in 2023 german televisions to con, get permission to film here. it's politically too sensitive, we were told of the record that the link is odyssey began in
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1941 when the most valuable books and manuscripts were removed from the oppression state library in the event to protect them from the steadily worsening air raids, they were taken further raised to the huge costs of love 1st and stein was shown as it's known and polish. she was told that the building code would be safe. i so often got a known thing whole. so from 1941 beginning in may i. they started transporting cultural treasures, here from berlin, needs to transport the there were supposedly 505 boxes. but some say it was 605 boxes as to the bottom, 6 conduct since then. but at the end of the war, a few paintings of prussian kings brought here from braswell was all that remained of the vast treasure drive the boxes. and the whole ways containing the famous manuscripts had disappeared. looking my notes in whom the as late as may 1945
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polish researchers looked for various cultural assets. here they just sent everything to cracow, to the yag alone in library. so the university library and cracow will take us on the rest of the day to be taken care of. but after arriving in krakow, they officially disappeared without a trace. for many decades of i'm hyper stable, it was a very sensitive issue in poland them and they knew exactly how valuable the collection was. how about until the 1970s. no one was allowed to talk about it at all because i'm not going to state a surprising me. it was east german coming this new to every konica who started exciting pressure on the polish government. as a result, some books and a manuscript for mozart would cost to east germany. but then in the mid 19 eighties published, president general jose else can you put a stop to the process of and going to grab it for so that was
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a turning point toward this. and there was a commission of polish historians and legal experts that concluded the collection should belong to paula and put it in there. for 400100 sort of hopes for return of the building car did not re surface into off to german reunification when get hug. screwed up promised germany support the poland rapidly joining the youth in return . a bible translated by martin luther from $1520.00 to was returned to bill and i stopped by employee to d, going to there was a project where both sides were supposed to return each other's cultural assets have just picked it up and it didn't work because germany didn't return many polish assets pointing to show it to a good product and gave them very, i mean, do you have any examples escaped vested in the middle? there were various paintings from renaissance artists that were stored in unit convention, some in hamburg. so they were spread around work as
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a human 1st prize. then last year you always loved kitchen, steve, the leader of poland, governing law and justice party. and now it's to poland, would say 1.3 trillion euros in war time, reparations from germany. clearly, not a good time to getting the billing to returned it on your car. do you think not just about reparations? it's about settling a model that, you know, my gosh, i finished, i guessing we mustn't forget that an estimated 70 to 75 percent of poland is cultural. heritage was destroyed in the health and, and that was no coincidence. and so there was a real intention to inoculate polish culture going to quit to it for, for ignition the runs of the past to continue to cloud the presence. one consolation for germany, at least some of the menus groups and now available in digital form, including the original of beethoven's eighths, infiniti, and frigid schiller's medical faces. the
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sketches for an adult to south america, expedition are also available. but what about the originals? where they have a return to building it's not on the agenda right now. this book collection will very likely remain in poland to him from a political viewpoint. there's nothing more that can be done next. and i'm on the, even in this age of to, to ties ation the whole debate. i have a restitution shows that it is absolutely about the originals, the aura, the symbolic value, and the respect for the original loan. a spiritual leader from cameron took a 12 hour flight to them in last year to visit the original sculpture of these peoples mythical founding goddess. the phone of the song, people went to the building and humbled for an to see the in going. so if you go
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for the very 1st time, it's been in germany for a 120 years in the eyes of the phone, the in guns. so is a spiritual being the and for the 1st time in a 120 years, she was hearing the voice of a priest. he brought more to and vegetation from his homeland to revive her. this ritual also included a royal spokesman who inhaled and then verbalized the words of the fund. the conclusion is that she, he will not change his hand to talk. you can go in so no, but we will do what it's when going. so finally, allies in so a palace which is the iphone, this initial one. so 2 months later,
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outside the national museum of you, i one day the capital of cameron the fund received. so artists for traditional celebration, known as the toy fund, the, the impending return of being done. so was the subject on everyone's minds here. and on stage 2, the message to bowman was clear, and the so people are waiting. they wanted to know when will the mother of the nation finally returns cameron the to him of that message on the phone even broke with royal protocol and gave an impromptu interview. he said he couldn't understand why the in gone so is still in
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berlin. of the as much as this is for the length of time that going so it has been a week many things have happened in the line due to the absolutely. so going, so because it had disrupted this cd to only 2 of the of the people. his 5 is was but it's when we join us, i can the kids, he's father, she's people. and then one of the consequences, which she would like to people to know is the device to think if it's of the out of a phone practices on his lot, having some good news that we did return on going. so certainly some piece will come for 6 years, roy has been raging in the land of this so largely forgotten by the outside world. a devastating standoff between cameron's english speaking minority and the frank
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assigned majority. thousands of so have had to leave the homeland moving to neighboring regions for the capital. one day. just city is desperately over crowded . sorry, phil make is sylvie jabante was one of those forced to flee. her film school had to close because of the civil war. she has worked hard to have the incoming server time to come over and it was a social media campaign bring back and gone. so that got everything moving you know, i had come to the understanding of home gonzalez and so is today and i was really very angry. so the address, let us, they went to the gym on presidente, who has been around 20082010. so i said to myself that these crimes were committed in public and they were proud of it in today just to a holding that mentality, that mindset reactions. so why not talk about it as well?
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and probably also, you know, influence public opinion to also let those who don't know, understand the impact of colonialism. and i, i must say that the social media company and really pushed for things to happen was that the pressure of that campaign that finally caused 1000000000 to rethink its position on the in guns. so, oh, sylvie, to bodies cuss no trips to germany as an official restitution commission appointed by the phone. either way, in the end, the official decision was taken to returned in going so to cameron. the pressure and cultural heritage foundation that was holding the statute relented. see, i'm going to check to the bottom. they explained to us why this figure is so important to them. and then i can show and then it was quite clear to us that we wanted to return it and that we should return it. but we've always said that for us
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there are 2 types of restitution for 2 reasons for returning items. what's on the 1st way to get the items were taken in the clear context of injustice, extortion, or robbery, then good talking to you in north america. and then secondly, if we notice in the dialogue that certain objects often of original nature have key significance for the identity of the countries and societies of origin for toward configured content. detailed thomas, i remember when he was handing over the decision to return during the process of reading this letter he, he really went for emotional and i think that that is progress. having to understand that irrespective of the institutions we were present, we a human beings in the in cameroon, has now pledge to prepare a safe and appropriate home for the and gone. so by december 2023, the snake headed museum of phone van in
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a region neighboring the saw homeland is currently under consideration to use the gym and he was unwilling to return cultural artifacts. the times have changed and a new process has been set in motion the . imagine how many portions of loans us turn out in the world, climate change. the story faces much less the way from just one week. how much was going to really get we still have time to act. i'm going
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