and it says stop some one, move back and eventually goes facing the country's features to the prospect guessing pushed back even from their own families and shrugged on the slicing social loans. seeking his self determined life, douglas escaped from drudgery and abuse. the oldest fis on d w. this week on comfort zone, the former packaged army prime minister in rome con faces. when he goes a $180.00 full charges and fears, he'll soon be back in jail because the government says it will hand over to a cafe administration in august paving the way for new elections. so welcome to be able to take. the question is, if you would, if i'm in jail,

which i think they would sooner or later put me in jail, when will they allow the body to confess, selection, that's the big question. con insist pocket funds possible and unaccountable ami is out to get to that is appealing to the well say for countries democracy for what kind of democratic record does he have? he was roundly criticized by human rights groups when he was in office, obviously responding uh to the charges. and why was he being some saw on the tyler and wrong tom? welcome to come fix on my pleasure. the pakistani government says it will hand over parts. where can i take a government august? the 14th paving the way for general elections. if that happens, do you plan to contest those elections? the most desolate the tim, we're going to contest the election of west. it is, will they allow a party to could best be election?

this is the big question right now. will they allow you because you've got something like a 180 serious charges against you, all of what you've denied to thousands that disqualify you from taking box or might it was through the age of 70. i didn't have one criminal case. and then the last few months, i have almost a $180.00, but it's still not just that my entire body leadership is on the ground, or in june about $10000.00 of a workers on june right now. so there's a total grab done on my body. so the question is, if you would, if i'm in jail, which i think they will sooner or later put me in jail, when will they allow the body to contest selection? that's the big question. and if i don't you, you've already suggested that you might start a new part to use that time for that. well, we're speaking for a noise. i mean, there's no way that they can band

a political body which has almost 70 percent rating a public improvement in the country. so we just want to know what are the tactics they use to bend the body. and then what options have you got off to that? you're saying fuzzy, a piece for a violence campaign. i don't see violence because uh, you know, elections as something the whole country is waiting for. the vast majority of people are waiting for elections in this country. and so in the, in a way that will let the steam off, but is the other, what is the they might go against the constitution and, and the lady elections because a federal news, like on the 14th of may of this year, the supreme court, according to the constitution had announced the elections of punjab, which is 60 percent a bug is done, but the government refused. so because the federal losing so we we're still not

sure whether they will go ahead with the elections. you've been complaining, but to democracy is hanging by a thread in talk you san shortly. one of the main reasons for that is that you have a, a possible ami that's been pulling the strings um, since independence in the country and without any public accountability. why did you never manage to bring it on the democratic control? what you know done by just on started off as a security state. we came to begins 47 and 1948. there was a conflict with india. there was enormous amount of insecurity and bug this done, that would be survive as a state with a name, but hostile levels. 7 times the size. so hence the over lines on the minute trip again and almost half the time we had, we would work directly by another p to the minute various military dictates. and on one page when it came to policy decisions. now that you've fallen out of love with

each other, you accuse them of persecution and attempting to kill you. and they've thrown these $180.00 charges against you. did you really think you could take on the army? and when i looked at them, the situation is it was like, you know, as the say, you only cross the ones because you don't have time as time bosses is no longer is the same sort of august thought it was 70 years ago or 20 years ago. when general the sheriff impose the marshal. this is a different bug is done in 20 years. we've had a free media. last time you had independent tv channels. com, again and a vibrant media. and secondly, we had a moved one for the independence of district, which was in 2007. it started then, so i just became very independent. whereas previously was bought up the executive

now. and now the, the situation and focused on is completely different. the acceptability of marshal is just 0 in this country now. so what the, what is going on right now is a new equilibrium. how do now have a system where the elected prime minister has the responsibility? but does he have new taught or do to implement his program? my 3 into off isn't bala. i found that basically we were all the same page and by the army you mean the army to because those or democracy in the army. so we what, like what, what 3 is the problem i had was that in the last 6 months, he then decided to talk to the he already intreat with the kind of prime minister and to get an extension. he then underlined by government. but the only problem i

had with him before that was that i wanted my one. the body is going to move on for just as bringing the faucet under the law. you, when you were pushed out of office by the no confidence vote last year you, you could have quietly accepted it. you could have gone into. busy opposition and waited to contest the elections. but when you were arrested last may you claim the army cheese assume when near was behind it that petrified you said they know that we will sweep the elections. so they've been looking for an excuse to put me in jail. you also named the senior officer. i was trying to have you killed in a way you are asking for trouble one to you must have know that the time will bus be. you know, i might, if it was a normal vote of no confidence, i would have accepted it. but the problem was that in this case, there was a lot of money open, the money exchanges, hands of the army, chief and 3,

and use the intelligence agencies of you know, to bring a government down. not i would still would've accepted it. but i had started, but wanted to explain, he said, when he is a go against these to get up families. both of them have massive corruption cases. it gives them, in fact, was as a body was put into jail by and watched people. corruption, i guess is it is know, most people from us as of the boats were done by the military establishment as corrupt. so what i objected was that off to, off to all of this uh, uh, 27 years of struggle. they were imposing the same groups on us again, and that's why i went into the public and by the way, no disruption. i just the public, riley's, the public, the little this is, you know, we are not cheap. i mean, they cannot impose his books on us and the exit expect that like dumb she we would

just accept this injustice. and that's what happened. the people responded out of 37 by elections, my body sort of her 2 of them despite the establishment supporting them. now that's when they got water that that's when they tried to kill me. that goes by 1st is that's an issue with them. some fixed the july or something of course much. they've denied mr. car well do you you claim to want democracy in progress done but, but many of you actually don't seem to bear that out. you rejected the results of the times. you said the intellectuals, the brought in that was sherry's to pass, and when his government rebuffed your demand to stand down or hold due elections, you threaten to storm his house. how, how democratic was that? us? a lot. and 2000 elections would rig the establishment, then join the hands of the luxury when vig, the election. all we, all of them was that out of the $132.00 petitions of the nation about of the

federal government. we suggest a board random ones, just have an audit done. and if, if there's no reason we would accept it. right, so the address 2014 your at to this alongside those of a hotline. islam is preacher here on the country a time, the parliament, another government buildings, at least 3 people were killed and hundreds injured, a new fund of the flames of violence when folks failed. what did that have to do with democracy? this is not true. let me tell you the exactly what happened. we aust ball full of the constituencies to be opened up out of $133.00 which would challenge they refused. we did a protest and we did a protest $426.00. there's been, nothing happened except for one day. nothing happened to do with the most peaceful protest. all right, just asking them to do a, a,

a check on the election. it actually went to the supreme court then, but it was never a violent the one night that was violent was unfortunately, you know, we, another party also joined us in the protest. and so, um, you know, they something happened one night and there was shelling and so on. but yeah, you told me this is you told the crowd, i'm prepared to die here. you said i've loved the government plans, a major problem found against us tonight. i'm here till my last breath. it's almost as if you wanted a punch out. no, no, no, no, no. this is what i want you to go through right now. what's happening? i mean, it's completely different. what's happening right now, while you're talking about 9? i was trying, i was talking about 2014. i was talking about 2014, the more the month. you know, i mean, what happened was, i mean it's a, i could go into details. i mean, they're tried to disrupt, i'll be sore throat test and they've tried to remove us from them. then that was

the, i guess the and so on and try is as good as a way. and so we resisted that. but i mean the, the factors in my 27 years, i have, or was a everyone to remain within the constitution and exercise i right. what piece for protest, and that's what it was a $126.00. the only one that was the biggest challenge, the uncertainty, if you guys have these beautiful people died, why not control your supporters instead of stoking the violins? what we saw this year in may this year, your arrest by palomino to troops. and there's a lot about how cool is lead to protests and rioting by your supporters across the country, as well as vandalism, against military installations. at least 8 people died, probably many more. what the oh, what if they die full of plastic case of blame the victim. what happened on the 9th of may? i was sitting in inside the sama bud. hi god!

i had low. there was no warrant against me for arrest. for a while, i was sitting the building in the forms i was there was an attack by not just ranges, but the bundles, tomatoes game. and then this was there's a visible everywhere big game. and the brought to that uh, are just the office that was sitting in the beach of everyone that my lawyers would be to not the stop was beaten up. i was it on my head and the drag me out like a criminal. i mean, when these images went out, there was obviously going to be a reaction. did you call? what time did you call them a bad 111. what was this completed? bear in mind the supreme court then that the foster verdicts that but this was not a risk adoption was unconstitutional or non lawful. so i was the victim of this.

and this, the way that we didn't b as the reaction to that there was always going to be a reaction. i mean, imagine the head of the biggest body being treated like there is. so there was going to be a reaction, but the question is, water that we've ordered that last long cause you to act? the question is i like the question to answer well, some of the questions on whether you, you tried to stop it mister. com, you'll often you'll often do glad committed my hold on hold on. just one moment i was in june foot board is how was i supposed to stop? i didn't even know what was going on when to produce, but it in front of the supreme court of justice. that's the best i found out about the violence and i condemned to immediately. mister brown, you'll often declared commitment to democracy. it doesn't seem to have been appreciated by everybody when you impart in 2021 your last full year and office human rights watch. so you'll government stepped up its efforts to control the

media and cut out this sent or far it is highest. and at times, detain janice and other members of civil society for criticizing government officials and policies that said, are you proud of that? i wish they would give me specific incidents. we have investigated the what then incidence of dentist, you know, who claims that they have been mistreated then suddenly my body was only responsible for one of them. my government, which amazingly, with the ability to go for them related to the security bosses, we were coming out of the war on debtor. and they, they then part of the, these guys what, what was stepping in the principal vendor but, and so on. nothing to do with my government. you cannot compare them. what is going on right now? a best journalist, 100 out of the country murdered for, for what the objectives have run out of the country. us, other goodness, towards the highest viewership on youtube has been abducted for 2 months. his

family doesn't know where he is or media is controlled today, my name is brought to to be mentioned on television. the stay with you. i don't recall anyone doing martian roses is that sort of media climbed on some respect. come to stay with your record because stand in 2021 human rights. what said the authors expanded the use of to coney institution and counter terrorism laws to spiteful, defend, and strict they regulate civil society groups. critical of government actions authorizes also crack down on members or supporters of opposition. political parties in there, do you run a pretty nice the government into what is human rights watch just making this up the i wish that would give some specific examples because i couldn't tell you like, dime was liberal. judith, she was never interfered with. the police was never to,

to victimize people. 10000 workers of mine i'm deal today is dies, senior leadership was in jail. a young man, me the number of times the opposite, shouldn't the best, nor wants to try and stop them. they have never even allowed us to do one piece or protest on the go on. you just grab, don't listen, didn't this has never happened in the history people. i mean, but up in the middle of the night the houses are broken and houses are run by the police. this is, i mean the, the reading of denver, i know you're going in general, shut those marshal. it was liberal compared to what is happening right now in terms of 21, your own human rights commission. pakistan's own human rights commission was gazing about. what's it called your government's deliberate attempts to live numerous human rights defend the agendas, the government's increasingly or sorry, terry and tendencies provide. it says no room for consensus,

buildings between the states and civil society. they get it wrong as well, or are they making up the slums? are they biased? what is the look of then look, i never claimed that, you know, we, there was a, this a, you know, ronald does great. the democracy be just the we installed it, not 3, and all of us bear in mind that in the last 60 is half the time, was that if he doesn't have the time, these 2 families. so mike government, this was the 1st time we were in bower, and i could tell you if you look at our record in terms of a victim, isaac, the opponents, 95 percent of the case. it goes on the political opponents, but an edited by us not initiated by us. i'm merely, we would try to pursue the same guesses which we in the edited. there was no victimization. i think the opposition and do any of riley's. there were 3 long largest was long but not one. this was registered against them. yeah. 180

cases against me. most of them denver isn't good. the murder cases, corruption, cousins, the last week is against me. and in the last 7 months, this has never happened in a history i was about to break award rack or reach by double essentially. i mean, every day i wake up there's another is or remember, or my senior leadership was in jail or, or they're in hiding. so, i mean, i'm thought the i submitted today. i got you to the police outside by of the check . anyone who comes inside know what's the martians, all these sort of things that will happen. let's, let's talk about some of your attitudes that's of the excited. so we say less than into z as in by the international community. in august 2021. you welcome to tyler bands sees a power in afghanistan,

saying the afghans have broken the shackles of slavery. as i've been seeing how the women of afghanistan saw from breaking the shackles and have them brucely re attached by the toddler box, would you like to revise that opinion or do you choose just the number one? this was a speech. talking about. many mental colonialism. we would try and we as the speech dealing with changing uh, uh, education syllabus curriculum because we still have your role in your curriculum whether small lead time, english medium under the rest of the medium. and there was this big gap between the rates on the board because of this education. so that what i was trying to do, it was a normal speech in or do i was trying to tell them that we have to break these mental janesville slavery. and basically i was as a part that in a lot of funding within the independence, this was made into such

a big thing. i mean, the revised it. i've given you a chance to revise your opinion of the bible, the width, wicked beat women, when they demonstrated for their rights width uh, fuzzy tim list i'm, i'm just getting let's get the fax, right. i guess the british in the 19th century, the of was got their independence. they freedom when the, when the british left soviet, so the 20th century when the left, the go to the for you. so the us when the left, the god, the freedom. that's how you it's just a fact. now going to be thought about the 1st of all, whichever government does and baldwin, finest on august on has to have good relationship with them. i had very good relationship or tried by best with the honey government, leave us government. i went to govern, i invited them as a prime minister. we have a to and hospitals in columbia to border with applied as done. we look upon

a one is done as balaban, government drug, i need government, we look upon them as of law and government because if we don't have good relationship with vio, von government, the 3000001 refuges living in august on, started with a fuse to condemn the crimes you'll receive the that correct? no, no. first of all, let me just. yeah. so that you understand what you have done with this dave bug, a son should have good relationship with them. because in the previous then that was the 3 that is groups operating from a lot of sorted into buckets done. the duty piece eisen and then there was the bulge, a liberation on. so from our point of view, if we have good relationship with the one government, then they will control this across the board of directors. and that is the main reason. now you come out of the other one must defend themselves, whatever you don't they sure you haven't got this pulled you. you have you have nothing to say about the summary executions or enforce disappearances of more than

a 100 form. i've gotten security personnel, but hundreds of people who were evicted from their homes. you have ministrations that we must strengthen them, stabilize the current government for the sake of the people of afghanistan. why would you a self declared democrat one to strengthen a government, but was still is repressing brutalizing so many people are not kind of stuff that's . that's what people in the west quite difficult to understand the 1st of all as the prime interest of the country. my top priority is people have focused on what is good for them. what is good for our people is based upon his son. there's been 40 years of conflict and a lot of stuff. and whenever there's a conflict in nevada, stop, it spends a way to to plug expands tribal areas. and so we, we then face the stabilization in northern, in the northwest and border. so therefore, i mean, it's not up to,

we just started literally think about other countries, right? you don't have any principals, you know, they are principles. but you know, when you talk about foreign policy of the country and let me tell you the western countries right now, our democracy is big, dismantled in front of their eyes. instead, once did with a district, i mean, they talk about, but not something happens in hong kong. they don't blame china full of being on the demo category, right? shop or bigger than about which seems to be about it. you. the good for that is focused on this month, the democracy of the $10000.00 people and do the sort of victimization going on and sort of planned on, on media. so is there any statement by anyone because it's not in their interest. so the country is the western countries looked at their own interest and should be there to sort of why they should of human rights are the, is there any condemnation? no, because in the is a strategic i like a but was against china. so doing the countries like us, you know,

who have 100000000 bundle of people in this country. 50000000 below the poverty line, 50000000, just above it. this is a priority. it is all these you, us be give statement against the we goes, what china doing all of the ukraine, russian country. oh we're, we've gone to for these model instead, but because our statements go to bed, people going below the poverty line in this country or so. so i'm as a prime minister. this one is going to bro brother to rather than of woke up a doctor because all the wrongs being done in this world. all right, america, we have to leave it the thank you very much indeed for your time. my pleasure to thank you. the,

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