[000:00:00;00] the start. 1 to ships headed for russian controlled ports on the black sea crane may now consider any such bustle as potentially carrying weapons with all the risk. but that implied for crew and cargo. just a day earlier, moscow had made a similar threat against ships heading to ukraine. the end of the ukrainian grand deal is already in jeopardizing food security and those countries dependent on cheap imports. but how likely is it the end of the grain deal could now lead to an expansion of the war to ships belonging to meet or ukraine, nor russia. nicole for ocean berlin and this is the day

the thing just to be clear, seen from key if this is nothing showing a russian attempt that a naval blockade full scale blockade of ukraine's ports across a contest. seas like a 3rd party, the vessel or even the tech is you're suggesting that we should just trying to run a blockade and effective military blockade in the black sea because that's what's happening here. insurers are now going to reevaluate, are they going to be willing to insure ships going into that towards own us? no, that's not an option. that's me. so i think the main reason behind the russian, russian, the practice is just, i'm kidding. they're shipping the best way to solve the problem is actually to defeats russia. also on the day of duction, deportation and torture. a new report lift the lid on the treatment of thousands of ukrainians being held in russia. but there were moments when they threatened to me,

i'm with them. have to put that as they to comp middle to. so the wonderful saying the show um we will cut your body into the pieces and with the way we will quarters, you welcome to the show in the united states has express deep concern about russia strikes on ukraine's blacks the ports after a 3rd stray day of attacks and indications that moscow could take aim at civilian ships in the area cave has now responded in kind to a russian threat to treat ships bound for ukraine as potential enemy targets. ukraine will also consider vessels traveling through russian ports or russian occupied ukrainian territory to be potentially carrying arms. both developments follow a decision buying the kremlin earlier this week to allow a deal on the export of grain via the black sea to expire. the un security council will meet friday to address the humanitarian consequences of russia's withdrawal from the deal. and i'm now drawing from london by elizabeth bras. he's

a resident fellow at the american enterprise institute, where she focuses on defense against emerging national security challenges. good to see you. the greenville is no more we know that, but ukraine's president, the landscape says he will keep agricultural shipments through the black sea going . how dangerous is that? what is extremely dangerous? because we don't know how rush or with feet, those shipments now russia, i think, conceivably wouldn't want to be seen worldwide as a country that the phones merchants should be carrying grain to, to uh, charge us all over the world. but the problem is that those ships will have 0 chance close to 0 chance of getting insurance because which insure would want to underwrite ships that are at risk of being attacked by the russians. so that's where the problem is. at the moment, both russia and ukraine has sent that they will treat all ship is going to the

other sports as potential military targets. do you think we will see fighting on the black sea? it's, it's very hard to tell because a lot of it has to do with the, the each size, willingness to target civilians shipping and wish it remember that, that russia has surprised us in many ways already. and this was through his willingness to do things that are considered, i'm true. so just not the thing you do anymore at. so we shouldn't count on russia's willingness to or rushes with any sort of reluctance from russia to, to attack the civilized shipping. but, but the thing is also that, that's uh, it was, or the difficult for, for any sort shipments to go through the vaccines for that ukrainian or russian product of the black sea. because you couldn't get the insurance, it was very difficult to get insurance. the grain deal was the extent that was the worst exception and it was a tacitly negotiated exception. and now the grand it is no more. so with the

commercial insurance pick take on this risk, i don't think so. and then it almost doesn't matter what each side does, if nobody wants to take the risk and insure those chips, those ships won't be going anywhere. so as a consequence for potentially looking at food and security famine and mass displacement around the world, how be stabilizing, do you expect rushes renewed blockade to be globally? the extremely destabilized english. i remember that the only reason we had the grandiose that at the absence of ukrainian brain on the global markets was causing food insecurity and rush to change. it senses partly through the pressure from the united nations property. as refresher from turkey and k was the rush i came to the senses and joined is grangee a at that it has always been, there's always been a race that russia would leave because essentially it can hold the world hostage by choosing to leave the grandy of which you have now done,

and there's not really anything we can do about it. there's no company except china, as i can tell russia to, to, to rejoin the deal. know of the countries is large enough, powerful enough and close enough to rush out to force it to do anything. and china is clearly not willing to to put on the pressure apply pressure to, to put in to do the right thing. yeah, we have been here before though, and we're well aware of rush or not being a reliable negotiating partner. so how well prepared was the world for this scenario? is there a plan b, we can fall back on to insure from the security the the, the global markets, the commercial markets had essentially been pricing this in. so they, they have, they have to pay to this for a long time. but if you're a poor country, just you can't really apprise anything and you just have to hope that, that the grand deliverance would come to you. so in this situation, it's

a very good thing that we have the united uh, united nation for all its flaws over all its in the terms when it comes to stuffing words, at least we have the united nations with the food program, the kids step into to stave off to the but, but the food program is not a permanent solution in any shape or form. and that's something the rocks i know this, but at least it can step in and save up the west. when it is off, the crisis is, is, is eminence me. they also need to get their supplies from somewhere and talking about plan these and things to fall back on. i want to talk about something that you have written about because it looks like rush, i did have a plan b to continue exporting. it's good. it's good. even as you create the allies were slapping sanctions after sanctions on moscow. is planned as time ships and you've written about it. can you tell us more about what they are? and if this is something that we're likely to see more of now that the tensions are running high on the black sea. as we have seen, an increasing amounts of,

as it started off very slowly at the beginning of the board. and now it's essentially an industrial scale, a turn, this time shipping, where goods are leading. russia either on ships that, that are very difficult to, to trace what they are, who owns them, or on ships that, that, that do fly under some of that do say, you know, i should say under some sort of flag and are registered somewhere that, that turn off there that is, so there will domestic identification system which means that you can't see them if you don't know where they are doing or where they are coming from. and, and all of this has been increasing because russia past customers somewhere that it can ship. it's, it's a car go to and, and this is happening, it's going through the black sea and there's really no very nice anybody can do about it because you would have to, you would need some sort of maybe, or a coast guard to, to step in any of the peer with nobody's funds of risk that so we have

a steady stream of ships and going from russia to saturdays recipients. carried cargo, which by the way is, is a very attractive for the recipients. because russia has to said at the reduced price, whatever it is, they have sent me all the different goods they have sending. they're sending out the reduced price because countries know what the, i is know that russia is in trouble. so it's, it's convenient for both sides, of course, incredibly detrimental to, to the rules based international order is elizabeth bra, resident fellow and the american enterprise institute. that was very interesting. thank you so much. thank you. the, the well, it's always it's in ukraine, civilian population that bears the front of the worst burden. a report compiled now by the associated press elijah's russia is holding thousands of ukrainians and detention centers in russia and occupied areas of ukraine. hundreds of civilians

are sent to be used for slave forced for slave labor force to dig trenches and other fortifications for the enemy, army and in line with the findings of other reports. the p has recorded accounts of routine torture and mistreatment of arbitrarily obtained civilians at the hands of russian troops or getting a yahoo pulver is receiving treatment for the injuries inflicted on her during 5 months in russian detention. she was arrested in this operation region in october last year, its own care why? but she was interrogated about to the husband who's the ukranian soldier, the methods she says, the russians used amount to torture. that is available if you need to hide my hands and feet to an office chair and beat me on the head with a 2 liter bottle of water. uh to the alternated was putting a plastic bag on my handle on the road, some papers around my neck. i use it and one person knows like this,

this to through the bag anymore. well, the whole doesn't like you to be somebody from the company falsely in captivity. yeah. who probus says that she was forced to dig trenches, satellites, images, confirm the existence of trenches in the region. she says she was forced to work or about the duck all day until dark. google said all 678 o'clock. i thought things sometimes till 4 in the morning. so some of them armed guards showing their tortures into the trenches of some to show where to dig space and we need people who worked until the couldn't anymore study. i mean their hands were number one and they couldn't unbend their fingers. ok by say the volume here, victoria untrue sure is teaching a class improve body instead of a tree controlled by the ukrainian government. she was released as part of a prisoner exchange last year. so just detain to, of, to finding pictures of russian homage vehicles on her mobile phone. but the column,

they locked me in the brit room and burned a piece of p by the nearby a a and said we will turn on a gas and you will burn it, but they don't need to follow it. there were moments when they threatened to me, and with a mazda put that as they to comp middle to so the wonderful saying the show and we will cut your body into the pieces and with the way we will quarters you soon with them as it is with them, with somebody that, that puts us in the place a little bit can with them ship a lot. this in the accounts, submit of finding some human rights watch. the group found that russian troops routine the torch of detainees held and make shift. prisons in the city is you before it was liberated last year. katarina also is an ukranian lawyer and the senior lecturer of kids more than academy. welcome to the day in ukraine says thousands of ukrainian civilians have been detained by russia. how well documented is this practice a good evening i'm. it's quite hard to speak about numbers that have been the

numbers voice by the ukrainian and government of around 4000 unlawful civilian detainees. human rights and years, such as the media initiative for human rights, which are also mentioned by the associated press and their reporting. have report as high numbers i as lloyd would caution against believing any specific numbers of the mainland simply because so many people would have security concerns. their relatives in government control the areas would have security concerns about speaking after the number of their relatives in temporary non government control territories. therefore, we may just say that this number is extremely high 1st, and it leads up to the 1000 and 2nd, the pods and both of them lou for civilian detention and the detention of the prisoners of war. and then schuman and conditions in which these people held, haven't been seen since the beginning of russia's aggression against ukraine. since

2014, there is ample evidence, but russia still denies it's holding innocent, ukrainian civilian as well. there is ample evidence from a multiplicity of access. for instance, the un, a commission of inquiry on ukraine in its report for march 2023, has described us in the cases of detention where both civilians and prisoners, the whole warehouse interview. each people from recently liberated areas from hot of give areas from zoom from solving and solving eastern, new cranes who did confirm unless will detention to both of civilians and the prisoners of war. who did confirm the inhuman treatment that and the different modalities of torture. for instance, the, i'm quite widespread method of torture. both of women and men is the electrocution of the agenda autonomy of connecting the electricity to the edge. and it's highly and sometimes that would be called

a call to pollutants. so these problems have been reported by the young commission of inquiry. they have recently been reported by the you and in the separate report on the places of detention, numerous human rights and jewels. the media initiative postuma dr. human rights centered nina, has reported to him that more over the un special of rep or to on towards your several weeks ago. i confirmed that that quite strong allegations of the widespread use of torture methods. akins, both civilians and prisoners of war of ukraine who are on the rushes control. and most importantly, the special of upper tool has noticed there is a growing evidence that such torture has sanctions, character essentially that it's sanctioned from the forward this up to the ground. it is an incomplete picture, but i'm very clear. one of the woman we saw on the report she didn't know on what

grounds she was being detained. how arbitrary are these arrest? it appears that it's quite arbitrary fast, up, even before the full scale invasion. that was a wide spread information that ross, i had the so called extermination list and which would concern the ukrainian activist and people associated with the government and the armed forces. the young commission of inquiry, for instance, in the march report of this yes, to which i referred, confirmed the findings and side that's usually the civilians who would help for ukrainian who were deemed to hold for you credit. and he was the civilians who held a particular influence in their communities where the members of the local authorities, teachers, they were targeted the most as well as, of course people who were members of 2 friends armed forces previously aware of the family members. mm hm. i want to talk about the children because thousands of

minors i've been forced away, transferred from occupied territories to russia, and many of them are allegedly being brainwashed, now placed in russian families. how our efforts advancing to rescue them and bring them back to their families in ukraine as well as the beginning of our conversations i cushioned off. again, being very attentive to specific numbers. well, i'll just mention that sofa, the most widespread number, the, the premium and government has the ledge, is that it's around 20000 children who haven't been deported again. the numbers appear to be much hard to various and you are reporting. and uh, while ukraine has managed to return around 300, i just freaked hundreds of such children. the government has claimed that it was mostly the assets of a still andrews, but not much cooperation on russia's side. and indeed,

ross was simplified. the adoption procedure for such children and as we know, the members of the highest festival in the freshest government from the president to his commission of children's rights have been praising the way ross saw allegedly embraces these ukrainian chosen which led them to receive to arrest warrants from the prosecute sold, the international criminal court, one of the alleged war crimes of on a new for deportation of children was ukrainian. laura caterina for so many thanks for your insight. thank you very much. i or the chinese president changing thing has received. former he was secretary of state, henry kissinger, the 2 men's and the same state guest house where kissinger 1st method, then beijing leadership over 50 years ago, cause injures talks back then played a key role. and then us amazing normalizing relations. washington says this visit

is private, but it comes, i met a series of high level meetings between us and chinese leaders and at the fusing tensions oper. relations had a low point earlier this year. it is 100 years of age. kissinger is still a diplomatic heavy weight. the white house has express regret that kissinger. i've got more of an audience. amazing. and so i'm sitting us officials, we have on key and freeburg is a professor of politics and international affairs at princeton university in getting china wrong, which came out last year. he argues the west strategy of engagement with china has failed. welcome to the day mister freebird and business, of course being billed as a private visit. but what can cause injured do down to fuse tensions between washington. amazing. i don't think he personally in his conversations is going to do anything to change the nature of the relationship between the 2 sides. his visit may be

a prelude to talks between further thoughts between us and chinese officials. by us side, doesn't need dr. kissinger to deliver any particular messages. i think the chinese side, frankly, is using dr. kissinger's visit to put some pressure on the, by the administration to try to get it to soften some of its positions towards china. how so as well, so that they know that there will be a lot of attention paid to the visit in the west, in the united states, that many people will say, why are we talking more? why are we cooperating more closely? why are we are trying harder to get along? we should be doing what dr. kissinger is doing. and that that will perhaps press the bind in ministration to be more forthcoming. i don't think that's likely be successful. but i think that's the, that's the theater that's being played out here. mm hm. and as part of that theater is changing,

things said today china and the united states are once again at the crossroads and both sides must, once again make a choice. he went on to talk about joint success and prosperity that was possible according to him. can we read anything into the fact that he didn't say the problems are all i'm making of the united states? i wouldn't be too much into it. and in other context, the chinese continues to make statements that put all the responsibility for kind of attachments on the united states. but i think a 16 pena has an interesting trying, at least to appear to be willing to talk and to be reasonable. and you can to catch the us side is the source of the difficulties. again, put pressure on the us to make concessions. mm hm. if you say that it's that it's a part of a theater, the visitor of calendar. why would he lend himself to this kind of a, of an act as well? i think he sincerely believes in the importance of improving relations between the

2 sides. he's played an historic role and establishing relations between the 2 sides. so i think it's, it's genuine on his part. he believes that he can be helpful and in that regard. and of course, it's very flattering to him. of course, it's remarkable at age 100 that you can go and do this by pushing met this by in the spotlight of calls attention to him into his ideas. but i think he genuinely believes he's helping to smooth relations between the 2 sides. right now. recently we saw the secretary of state and came blinking in beijing. treasury secretary, you haven't done it. yellin the climate ongoing john kerry and now cause injured. how are all of these attempts to mend? tie is presumably a perceived in china. the chinese side would like to pick interlocutors that they believe are more favorably disposed towards them and the americans is apparently they think blinking is better blinking is tougher than

young ones. so they rather talk to you, i want them to blanket and kissinger, of course is most favorable of all, although he's not an official. i think what they see is that the us side is very eager at waste, again to appear to be willing to sit down and talk and they're happy to have that display. i think there will be some visits by chinese officials in the united states. but the fact that it's been us officials knocking at the door of puts china in the appearance of waste of a stronger position. mm. what is the west feel getting wrong about china? i think there is a still a reluctance to recognize the full extent of chinese editions. there's a tendency in this conversation over the importance of this visit or upcoming talks, is another indication of this. to see the sources of the difficulty between united states and china, which on it in the west. as one in misperceptions,

misunderstanding miscommunication, rather than the deep or ideological and geopolitical sources that i think are propelling the rivalry between the 2 and are going to continue to do so. regardless of whether there are or i'm not high level talks yet. and talking about these ambitions, the us is promising not to stand aside on the taiwan issue or any other chinese territorial ambition. so what is it going to take to make sure the threat of a military confrontation doesn't become a reality? i mean, it's a number of things. on the one hand, i do think it's important for the united states and its allies in the region and also elsewhere in europe to, to send a very strong message of the times division. discouraging it from trying to resolve the taiwan issue by using force at the same time. it's important also to indicate a willingness to establish emergency communications to avoid misunderstandings, and to make clear that the u. s. has no interest in pushing this issue further in

a way that will be threatening to beijing. so we have to walk that line. but we have to strengthen the turns as aaron freeburg of princeton university. thank you so much for your time. thank you. of the now to a record breaking golden gathering. never before have so many golden retriever's been at the same place. at the same time, the nearly $500.00 dogs from around the world made their pilgrimage to be an fest, real home, a goose gun house in the scottish island. first golden retriever. puppies were born their way back 155 years ago. its former owner wanted to breed a hunting dog, ideally suited to the rugged terrain of scotland. apart from painting on the lawn to retrieve or celebrate on the occasion with some, i guess hurling,

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