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what do you see? it really is possible to reverse the researchers and scientists all over the world are in a race against time. they are peers and rivalry with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it on youtube dw documentary this week on comfort zone. the former pakistan, the prime minister in rome con faces what he calls a $184.00 charges and says he'll soon be back in jail. the current government says it will hand over to a cafe administration in august paving the way for new elections. so welcome to be able to take. the question is, if you would, if i'm in jail,
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which i think they would sooner or later put me in jail, when will they allow the body to confess, selection? that's the big question. con insists of pocket funds possible and unaccountable ami is out to getting that is appealing to the well say for countries democracy for what kind of democratic record does he have? he was roundly criticized by human rights groups when he was in office, obviously responding now to the charges and one of the being some saw on the tyler and wrong tom. welcome to come fix on my visual. the pakistani government says it will hand over power to a caretaker government august. the 14th paving the way for general elections. if that happens, do you plan to contest those elections the most disciplined him? we're going to contest the election of west. it is, will they allow a party to could best be election? this is the big question right now. will they allow you because you've got
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something like a 180 serious charges against you, all of what you've denied thousands that disqualify you from taking box or might it was to the age of 70. i didn't have one criminal case. and then the last few months, i've almost 180, but it's still not just that my entire body leadership is on the ground, or in june about 10000 of a workers on june right now. so there's a door to grab done on my body. so the question is, you would, if i'm in jail, which i think there was so normally to put me in jail, when will they allow the body to contest selection? and that's the big question. and if i don't you, you've already suggested that you might have to start a new part to use that time for that. well, we're speaking to a noise. i mean, there's no way that they can band a political body which has almost 70 percent rating
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a public approval in the country. so we just want to know what are the tactics the use to bend the body. and then what options have you got off to that you're saying for see a piece for a violence campaign. i don't see violence because uh, you know, elections as something the whole country is waiting for. the, the, the vast majority of people are waiting for elections in this country. and so in the, in a way that the steam off. but is the other, what is the they might go against the constitution and, and the lady elections because a federal news like on the 14th of may of this year the supreme court according to the constitution, had announced the elections of punjab, which is 60 percent the bug is done, but the government refused. so because the federal losing so we, we're still not sure whether they will go ahead with the elections. you've been
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complaining that democracy is hanging by a thread in talk you san shortly. one of the main reasons for that is that you have a, a pa, for me that's been pulling the strings um, since independence and the country. and without any public accountability. why did you never manage to bring it on the democratic control? what you know to focus on started off as a security state, we came to being 47 and 1948. there was a conflict with india. there was enormous amount of insecurity and bug this done. that would be survive as a state with a name, a post i level 7 times the size. so hence the over lines on the military began and almost half the time we had, we would work directly by military to the middle, various military dictators. and then the rest by these 2 families. so i am randy
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and outside the game and in 2018. so therefore the, the, the abi basically is entrenched in a political system. now the big question is, how do we know more about political system into more it was a genuine democracy rather than a hybrid system. you're fine with me. i'll be one to as long as a back. you, you once put it on one, you would on one page when it came to policy decisions. now that you've fallen out of love with each other, you accused them of persecution and attempting to kill you. and they've thrown these $180.00 charges against you. did you really think you could take on the all me and when i looked them, the situation is it was like, you know, as a say you only cross that of a once because you don't time as time bosses is no longer is the same sort of focused on it was 70 years ago,
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or 20 years ago when general shut off. impose the marshal. this is a different bug is done in 20 years. we've had a free media. last time you had independence, tv channels. com, again and a vibrant media. and secondly, we had a moved one for the independence of district, which was in 2007, it's done. and then so i did a, she became fairly independent. whereas previously was bought up the executive now. and now the, the situation and focused on is completely different. the acceptability of marshal is just 0 in this country now. so what the, what is going on right now is a, as a new equilibrium. how do now have a system where the elected brian minister has the responsibility, but does he have new thought or do to implement his program?
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my 3 into off isn't bala. i found that i basically, we're all the same page and by the army, you mean the army to because those are the democracy in the army. so we what, what, what, what 3 is? the problem i had was that in the last 6 months, he then decided to talk to the he already intreat, but the kind of prime minister and to get an extension. he then underlined by government. but the only problem i had with him before that was that i wanted my one body is going to move one for just as bringing the fossil under the law you, when you were pushed out of office by the know confidence vote. last year you, you could have quietly accepted it. you could have gone into opposition and waited to contest the elections. but when you were arrested last, may you claim the army chief assume when near was behind it, that petrified?
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you said they know that we will sweep the elections. so they've been looking for an excuse to put me in jail. you also named the senior officer. i was trying to have you killed in a way you are asking for trouble one to you must have know that the time will bus be. you know, i might, if it was a normal vote of no confidence, i would have accepted it. but the problem was that in this case, there was a lot of money open. the money exchange has and the army chief and 3 and use the intelligence agencies. uh, you know, i do uh, bring a government down. not i would still would have accepted it. but i had started, but one of the explain, he said when he was a, go against these 2 families. both of them have massive corruption cases. it gives them, in fact, was as a body was put into jail bind to wash people corruption. guess is like, is know, most people from us as a body bolts were done by the military establishment as cut up. so what i
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objected was that off to off to all this uh, uh, 27 years of struggle. they were imposing the same groups on us again. and that's why i went into the public and by the way, not disruption. i just the public reilly's telling the public. the drug this is, you know, we're not cheap. i mean they cannot impose this book. so an awesome exit expect that like dumb, she would just accept this injustice. and that's what happened. the people responded out of 37 by elections like body sort of touching of them despite the establishment, supporting them. now that's when they got water. that's when they tried to kill me . that goes by 1st. so that's an issue with them. some fixed the july or something of course much. they've denied mr. tom, well do you, you claim to want democracy in progress done, but many of you actually don't seem to bear that out. you rejected the results of
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the 2013 elections the boat and that was sherry's to pass. i'm one is government rebuffed your demand to stand down or hold you elections, use rep and just form his house. how, how democratic was that us of luck and 2000 elections. would rig the establishment then join the hands of the luxury. when vig, the elections audrey austin was that out of the $132.00 petitions of the nation about of the federal government. we suggest a board random ones, just have an audit done. and if, if there's no reason we would accept it. right? so the address 2014 your at to this, alongside those of a hotline. islam is preacher. here on the country attacked the parliament, another government buildings. at least 3 people were killed and hundreds injured. a new fund of the flames of violence when torques failed. what did that has to do with democracy? this is not true. let me tell you the exactly what happened. we aust ball full of
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the constituents used to be opened up out of $133.00 which would challenge they refused. we did a protest and we did a protest, $426.00. there's been nothing happened except for one day. nothing happened to the most peaceful protest. all right, just asking them to do a, a, a check on the election. it actually went to the supreme court then, but it was never a violent the one night that was violent was unfortunately, you know, we, another party also joined us in the pro does. and so, um, you know, they something happened one night and there was shelling and so on. but the, this is, you told the crowd, i'm prepared to die here. you said i've loved the government plans, a major problem found against us tonight. i'm here till my last breath. it's almost
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as if you wanted a punchout. no, no, no, no. this is what i want you to go through right now. what's happening? i mean, it's completely different. what's happening right now, while you're talking about 9? i was trying, i was talking about 2014. i was talking about 2014, the more the month. you know, i mean, what happened was, i mean it's a, i could go into details. i mean, they're tried to disrupt, i'll be sore throat test and they tried to remove us from them, then that was do a guess and so on and try is as good as a way. and so we resisted that. but i mean the, the factors in my 27 years, i have, or was a everyone to remain within the constitution and exercise i right. what piece for protest, and that's what it was a $126.00. the only one that was the biggest challenge, the uncertainty, if you guys have these beautiful people died, why not control your supporters instead of stoking the vitamins? what we saw this year in may this year,
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your arrest by palomino to troops and there's a lot of bad, high cool. there's lead to protests and rioting by your supporters across the country as well as vandalism, against military installations. at least 8 people died. probably many more. what the oh, what did they die full of a plastic case of blame the victim. what happened on the 9th of me? i was sitting in inside the sama bud. hi god! i had no. there was no warrant against before as. while i was sitting the building in the forms, i was there was an attack by not just ranges, but the bundles, tomatoes game, and then this was, this is visible everywhere. the game. and the role to that uh are just the opposite . was sitting in the beach of everyone that my lawyers were beach enough to stop
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was beaten up. i was it on my head and the drag me out like a criminal. i mean, when these images went out, there was obviously going to be a reaction. did you call what time did you call them a bad 111. what was this competing? bear in mind, the supreme court then that the foster verdicts that but this was not a risk adoption was unconstitutional or non lawful. so i was the victim of this, and this the way that we didn't b as the reaction to that. there was always going to be a reaction. i mean, imagine the head of the biggest body being treated like there is. so there was going to be a reaction, but the question is, water that we've ordered that last long cause you to act? the question is i like the question to answer well, some of the questions on whether you, you tried to stop it mister. com, you'll often you'll often do glad committed my hold on hold on. just one moment i
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was in june foot board is how was i supposed to stop? i didn't even know what was going on when to produce, but it in front of the supreme court of justice. that's the best i found out about the violence and i condemned to immediately. mister brown, you'll often declared commitment to democracy. it doesn't seem to have been appreciated by everybody when you impart in 2021 your last full year and office human rights watch. so you'll government stepped up its efforts to control the media and cut out this send all star. it is highest and at times, detain janice and other members of civil society for criticizing government officials and policies that said, are you proud of that? i wish they would give me specific incidents. we have investigated that. what den incidence of douglas, you know, who claims that they have been mistreated dentist and my body was only responsible for one of them. my government, which amazingly,
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with the ability to go for them related to the security bosses, we were coming out of the war on debtor. and they didn't part of the these guys, but what was stepping in the principal vendor but, and so on. nothing to do with by government. you cannot compare them. what is going on right now of best jealous, 100 out of the country murdered for, for what the objectives have run out of the country. us, other goodness, towards the highest viewership on youtube has been abducted for 2 months. his family doesn't know where he is or media is controlled today, my name is brought to to be mentioned on television. the, you stay with you. all right, cool. anyone doing martian roses is that sort of media climbed on some respect camera. stay with your record because stand in 2021 human rights. what said the authors is expanded, they use of to come in submission and counter terrorism laws to spiteful, defend, and strict. they regulate civil society groups,
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critical of government actions authorizes also crack down on members or supporters of opposition, political parties. and then you, you run a pretty nice the government into what is human rights watch, just making this up the, i wish that would give some specific examples because i couldn't tell you, my time was liberal. judith, she was never into fed what the police was never to to victimize people. $10000.00 workers of mine i'm deal today is dies. senior leadership was in jail. a young man, me the number of times the opposite, shouldn't the best, nor wants to try and stop them. they have never even allowed us to do one piece or protest on the go on. you just grab, don't listen, didn't this has never happened in the history people. i mean, but up in the middle of the night the houses are broken and houses are run by the police. this is, i mean the, the reading of denver, i know you're going in general,
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shut those marshal. it was liberal compared to what is happening right now in terms of 21, your own human rights commission. pakistan's own human rights commission was scaling about what's it called your government's deliberate attempts to live numerous human rights defend the agendas, the government's increasing the or sorry terry and tendencies provide. it says, no room for consensus building between the state and civil society. they get it wrong as well, or are they making up the slums? are they biased? what is the look of denver? i never claimed that you know we, there was a, this a, you know, ronald does great. the democracy be just the we installed it, not 3, and all of us bear in mind that in the last 60 is half the time was. but if he doesn't have the time, these 2 families. so mike government,
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this was the 1st time we were in bower and i could tell you if you look at our record in terms of a victim, isaac, the opponents, 95 percent of the case. it goes on political opponents, but an edited by us not initiated by us. i'm merely, we would try to pursue the same guesses which we in the edited. there was no victimization. i think the opposition and do any of riley's. there were 3 long largest was long but not one. this was registered against them. yeah. 180 cases. it gives me most of them deborah's, i'm good. the murder cousins, corruption, cousins. they're a blossoming case against me. and in the last 7 months, this has never happened in a history. i was about to break a word record reads by double essentially. i mean, every day i wake up there's another is an, or remember, or my senior leadership was in jail or, or they're in hiding. so, i mean,
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i'm towards the i submitted today. i call you to the police outside by of the check . anyone who comes inside know, was the martians. all these sort of things that will happen. let's, let's talk about some of your attitudes that's of the excited. so we say less than into z as in by the international community. in august 2021. you welcome to tyler brands sees a power in afghanistan saying that afghans have broken the shackles of slavery. as i've been seeing how the women of afghanistan saw from breaking the shackles and had them brucely re attached by the toddler box. would you like to revise that opinion or do you choose just the number one? this was a speech talking about, many mental colonialism. we would try, we as the speech dealing with changing, uh, uh,
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education syllabus curriculum. because we still have your role in your curriculum, whether it's on a lead time, english medium under the rest of the medium. and there was this big gap between the rich and the book because of this education. so that what i was trying to do, it was a normal speech in or do i was trying to tell them that we have to break these mental janesville slavery. and basically i was as a part that in a lot of funding within the independence, this was made into such a big thing. i mean, the revised it. i've given you a chance to revise your opinion of the bible, the width, wicked beat women, when they demonstrated for the rights width uh, buzz system. so let's i'm, i'm just getting, let's get the fax, right. i guess the british in the 19th century, the law, i've got that independence they freedom when the, when the british left soviet,
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so the 20th century when the left, the go to the for you. so the us, when the left, the god, the freedom. that's how you is just a fact. not going to be thought about the 1st of all. whichever government does and baldwin, nobody's done. well, i guess done has to have good relationship with them. i had very good relationship or tried by best with the honey government, leave us government. i went to govern. i invited him as a prime minister. we have a 2 and a half 1000 kilometer border with applied is done. we don't look up on a lot of us done as balaban, government, or county government. we look upon them as a law and government because if we don't have good relationship with vio, vaughan, government, the 3000001 refuges. living in august on, sorry, was refused to condemn the crimes you'll receive the them that correct? no, no. first of all, let me just, yeah, so that you understand whichever government does that bug a spanish should have good relationship with them. because in the previous then
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that was the 3 that is groups operating from a lot of sorted into focused on the duty piece. eisen and then there was the bulge, a liberation on. so from our point of view, if we have good relationship with the one government, then they will control this across the board of directors. and that is the main reason. now you come out of the thought of one must defend themselves. whatever you know they showed you haven't got this pulled you, you have you have nothing to say about the summary executions or enforce disappearances of more than a 100 form. i've gotten security personnel, but hundreds of people who were evicted from their homes. you have ministrations that we must strengthen them, stabilize the current government for the sake of the people of afghanistan. why would you a self declared democrat one to strengthen a government, but was still is repressing brutalizing so many people are not kind of stuff that's . that's what people in the west quite difficult to understand the 1st of all as
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the prime interest of the country. my top priority is people have focused on what is good for them. what is good for our people is based upon his son. there's been 40 years of conflict and a lot of stuff. and whenever there's a conflict and they've got to stop, it spends a way to, to plug a son's tribal areas. and so we, we then phase destabilization in northern, in the northwest and border. so therefore, i mean, it's not up to me to start moralizing about other countries. i do not have any principals. you know, they are principles. but you know, when you talk about foreign policy of the country and let me tell you the western countries right now, our democracy is big, dismantled in front of their eyes. instead, once did with a district, i mean, they talk about, but not something happens in hong kong. they don't blame china full of being entered, then they've got to go to russia. oh, oh, because i know about which seems to me about it. you the good for that is focused
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on this month, the democracy of the $10000.00 people and do the sort of victimization going on and sort of planned on, on media. so is there any escape and by anyone because it's not in their interest. so the country is the western countries looked at their own interest and should be there to sort of why they should of human rights are the, is there any condemnation? no, because in the is a strategic i like a but was it because china? so doing the countries like us, you know, who have a 100000000 bundle of people in this country. 50000000 below the poverty line, 50000000, just above it. this is a priority. it is all these you us be give statement against the we goes, what china doing all of the ukraine russian contract. oh, we have we gone to for these model instead, but because austin, let's go to bed. the people going below the poverty line in this country or so
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