the local initiatives of trying. ready to prevent the west from happening. how long will this last, the very want to know it will make for janet justin. janet love and binding thing, step away from the spot. i'm not even allowed to go to my own car and everyone was later holes in every single day. just getting you ready to meet the gentleman enjoying me. rachel stuart on dw the extreme weather conditions and no end in sight. more and more parts of the world are reporting you. heat records, temperatures sometimes reaching, life threatening levels, like if the us or in china is north west. discover this forest fires burn thousands and thousands of urgently need it treats. torrential rains cause floods in one part

of the world, while others are seen drowns. the fact is whether extremes are on the rise, or as has only heated up by an average of $1.00 degrees. if the goal of limiting warming to a maximum of $1.00 degrees where to be reached, effects would probably be even worse. so on to the point we ask, record, keep drought and extreme weather. can we still adapt the hello from berlin and a warm welcome to this week's to the point i'm have you know? yes, and i'm joined by our guests in the studio this week that i'd like to introduce. tell you i came side is the head of energy, transportation, and environment at the german institute for economic research. matthew car, niche. nick is a journalist and correspondent with political here in real linda and mcclendon.

miss jan now is the head of migration and diversity at germany's heinz', but it's on page 12. you're welcome. thank you for taking your time for being with us today and cody. i'd like to start with you on this very complex, but the topic that different differently also hits everyone. everyone is talking about the heat waves. storms hurricanes in the summer. here in europe. and you have some say this is just the regular weather phenomena. what has changed? what is different? now, what is different is that we have more weather extremes. that means the fires that we see the droughts and also sometimes extreme rainfalls, which could also bring, i mean, some kind of extreme cases and all of the world. and this has been changed. it's not on the whether it's climate change. and that means that the global level of a $1.00 to $1.00 degree celsius. and if it reach us more,

then we see more and extreme weather events on the cloud. now the seems like something that is getting more extreme and some are shocked and the content i'd like to ask you this is maybe a little bit newer in the northern hemisphere, but the so called global south has seen it a long time ago. so are we only giving this level of coverage because it's dark skies in new york city and extreme temperatures enroll or the stuff is the so, i mean, um, they had been always cyclists of trouts in many countries in africa and cyclists of slots. rising sea levels, etc, in many issue on country. so we had it in the history. but now the, the, the amount of the climate change has been changing the, the, the lifestyle of people dramatically. people uh heavily under pressure because they have been losing their lives. stokes stimulate losing their farms. so low cost of

a flooded areas. it's addressed. so the implication of climate change is massive in other countries. so still we, we are affected by it, but we're still in a privileged call. i would say so the fits in other hemispheres themselves and hemisphere in nature, um, in africa in nothing america is massive. so i think we need to shift that perspective as well. that's who you come from. vigorous state of arizona that has been particularly hit in the last few days. what are you hearing from people that home? well, it is always hot. there to be fair at this time of year. it's always a well above a 100 degrees fahrenheit. so in the, in the forty's celsius, what's changed now is that you have really long periods of really extreme heat. and so you're looking at 45 to 48 degrees over weeks and it's, it's really something i think that, you know, people start to feel in their bones in a way that they don't normally my,

my mother has a dog that she likes to take walking for example, but now the sidewalks are too hot to, to take the dog out. so she had to put little boots on the dog. unfortunately, i think he ate some of the boots, had to find another solution. but it is really, it's gotten to the point where even at night where, because it's a desert there, it normally would cool at night. it's no longer really following, you know that much at night the to mature. so it's, it's really something that is, is hitting everybody who lives, who lives in that region. everybody is feeling it and you have discussions about climate are always difficult. and to a certain extent abstract, nobody can really predict exactly what is going to happen tomorrow or in a month. but a simple look at the disasters of the last few weeks already shows that evidence of the destructive force of climate change is hard to ignore. as the us as being hit particularly halls by extreme heat waves in the west and south of the country, there are record temperatures of up to 46 degrees celsius. the national weather

service will determine extremely dangerous heat waves with no cooler temperatures and site will millions of people in china and southern europe also suffering under record high temperatures. deep waves are prompting health warnings, tours insights, the closing due to extreme with the worldwide. it's the helps us june on records. the extreme droughts increases the danger of new fi as well. wide in canada. wildfires have been out of control for weeks. clouds of smoke have even reached a year of months of drought and no rain. the seasons in many regions of south america and africa, there is no bullshit and no food, which makes them on habitable. incomplete calm, trusts her friend shall reign in india is causing slots on land slides in the northern parts of the country. dozens of people have lost their lives and launch

pods of the capital city. deadly under water. will it only get worse? that's of course the question. it's hard to stay optimistic when we see images like that. it tells you as a researcher though, we look at words, unfortunately, yes, because, so we see from all we know from, from climate science, the, that it shows that the emissions at the has been all by the in the atmosphere will bring more extreme events like this in the future, and this is what we cannot, i mean stuff anymore. this will happen for sure about what we can do is to bring the emissions down the global and we know as cost emissions coming from fossil fuel burning down to a level that the most severe impacts can be. can the license so to say, and that can be, i stopped not stop, but the limit hit to a certain extent and that is what we have to do. but unfortunately,

we see only this is only the beginning and we've received much worse impacts in the future. why is it so difficult to bring people on board though? matthew, people see the images, they hear that the solutions are there. do you think maybe people think that it's not going to hit them personally? i think that's one aspect of it. and the other aspect is that people don't want to give things up if you have a nice s u, v, for example, and you live in the united states and you like driving that car. if you have a big air conditioner of cooling, your, you know, 10000 square meter house, those are things people are, are wants to give up. i mean, i'm exaggerating with these examples, but i think that that's part of it because, you know, i think ultimately to resolve these problems is going to mean that we're going have to change the way we live. and i think that reality has, has not hit enough people in the wealthier countries around the world, including the united states and including much of europe still i would like

a lot of people on, on, off have to give things up because they have no choice. but here we have a choice and we can still drive s u v, which is electric driven, for example, or the conditioning coming from renewable energy. electricity might be an alternative. so he and the rich countries, we have technological solutions which we can or which are there, but we have to implement in till the fall. so she will not be as very strong in trying to extend the business models as long as they can. but the we have solutions which we can change, but you mentioned an important point. some people have no choice. and the kind of in some countries, people actually have to leave where they live in order to find another place that is habitable. that seems to move some people here in europe, the fear of the climate migration, which is a real threat. do you think that could lead to more climate action ultimate or what

this the, the scenario, the other threats for ups migration is something also which is which people also feel as a threat in north america in europe. so why do we are discussing here? we feelings, what are the effects of climate change for us? so how do we convince people, how do we bring more consensus? that's the one thing. the other thing is we have to up urgently and other areas of the word. because for them, it's not something in the future is already the reality. so they is a huge pressure actually, as a human being or as a mankind, we have to be extremely vigilant and also find an urgent solution because people are already losing their existence. so that's the reality when we are here still struggling to give up some of our privilege. so how do we manage all privilege? so we're talking about management or privilege here, but others are already struggling to survive. so these are the toner teams. we have

in this global debate, but how do you make that case? matthew, at no politician will stand up and say, hey, we will have less economic growth. you will have less privileges, but we're going to be more sustainable. how does that work? well, i think what has to happen is what's happening now to really get people's attention about the dire situation that we're in globally, because until you get temperatures like what we're seeing in rome, or like what we're seeing in, in greece now, for example, or in, in in, in the us and parts people to start paying attention. there was a massive flood last year, for example, and pakistan, thousands of people were killed. i mean, this was, you know, instead of a biblical proportions, this flood, i don't think that anybody in europe, you know, is talking about that anymore, or has any sort of, you know, real knowledge of what the consequences of, of that flood were. although they were, they were epic and i think it really has the heat home here before people. well,

you know, really start taking it seriously. and before that is transferred into actual policy of the kinds of things that cloudy is talking about. there are potential solutions . we're not there yet. so, you know, germany for example, is trying to shift to renewable energy use is made a lot of progress on that front, but is still burning cold. for example, china is still opening new coal fired power plants, for example, which is incredible when, when you think about where we are. so i think, you know, it needs to really hit home in these countries and for people to steal it personally before we're going to see genuine change. when we talk about making an economic case as well. we know that there are potentials, but people don't seem to get it that actually doing climate action can bring more. well. yeah, and it could because if you look at the solutions like an electric car, for example of costs, it's now more expensive than a conventional car, but this is changing soon. and then the people have

a choice or also electricity coming from renewables of a. if you have a sole dependent on your rule, it brings cheap electricity about you have to pay for the soul up on that. so i bought this all brings economic growth. and this all brings economic chances, and this is where we are, the solutions are there, but we are, we have also to face that the fossil fuel industry wants to extend the business models as well as soon as long as they can. and they do everything to extend that, but as soon as we have solutions which are cheap and also affordable for the people, they will, they will produce it. i'm pretty sure. but what do you make of this tendency to say there are technological solutions. you don't have to do anything, we will take care of it. well, we need both. i mean, we need the regulation where the companies, i mean, have to pay a higher suprises or have to change the business models because they're forced to do so. on the other hand,

need solutions also for the people and the people can do itself a lot. if they are, for example, installer, sol dependent on the rules that part of the solutions. and here we have solutions. but right now, especially, especially in the industrial countries, we have a lot of choices. but in many of a country, so for well not. and here we need global solutions, which is pretty important. i think if just i'm an ad, not only the if it comes to more of issue, but i think they kind of the incentive so. so very important that there's a lot to read by, by shifting, by having these trends formation. you know, if we're seeing to the editor of income industry. so apparently pressure was necessary to shift the perspective of those companies or industries which were well established. so of course, if they had the know how, of course they had these technologies, but sometimes pressure, but also the political move is also very important in order to motivate

what's, what other companies and those well established companies to make a transform mission. so i think we need both, you know, like debating, talking, but on the other side, putting some economic incentives to the whole transformation. you mentioned that the political move can be very important pressure as well. the fact is, this battle can't be one without the 2 biggest emitters of greenhouse gases we're talking about the us and china, despite delicate relations, are presented as of both countries match to talk about urgently needed measures. or currently the world is facing a daunting challenge of climate responds. it is necessary for china, the united states, and indeed old countries in the world to strength and co ordination build consensus and speed up action. try to

show so we've seen leaders of the us and china seemingly working together. what can they actually do to? well, they can do a lot because combined i think they account for about 40 percent or so of, of global emissions. and you know, china, in particular, if you look at the, the c o 2 chart of china is since 1990 or even since 2000, it looks like a hockey stick. it's gone, you know, really, really, it's a search upward in the united states is still the, the, the largest emitter per capita, but at least is not rising c o. 2 emissions haven't, haven't arisen recently. and that's, i think, mainly because the us has to switch to gas, natural gas and moved away from coal. but because these 2 countries are independent

economically, i think that the negotiations between them could really sort of take the world in, in the right direction. because if you look at other countries in europe, in germany, for example, accounts for only 2 percent of, of global c o 2 emissions. so whatever germany does, might say a good example, but it's not really going to move the needle further. so you need these 2 countries, you need the u. s. and china in lock step here to really take measures that are going to bring emissions down. and unfortunately, because they're been tensions between the 2 countries, over the past few years, you've seen that effort go a little bit off the rails in china for example, who started to use more coal because that's what they have at home. they don't have other sources of energy really, so they referred to using coal and i think it, it needs you need this negotiation and trust between the 2 countries in order to move this process forward. and then the rest of the world is watching regarding and maybe other countries think. why do we have to implement measures against climate

change of these 2 are responsible for so much a percentage of the? yeah, i mean, this debate we had this the last 5040 years. um, why do we pay the price for those emissions? you know, its, uh, the cost all development. so how can we catch up to the development of the nose, the global was and so on. so we have all discussions and yet we don't have any other alternatives done really to, you know, like to push for a new agenda. a new college can transform ation it, so it's cetera. so maybe we need to jump over this admission to make the development the cost of the roman. so, i mean, it is an antique of debate. that's many the glowed global cells, hot ceaselessly. it's also a right to develop, but then, you know, it is an urgent issue because people end of the club,

so i was dying that losing their existence and also their lives stokes and their homes. so every year, around $20000000.00 people are living their homes because of the drought. 20000000 people within the countries the next to the neighboring countries and some even shifting to another continents. so this is the reality of right now, and maybe by the end of these century, it may be up to 1000000000 people will be on the move. so yes, the global cells has the right to develop, but also the responsibility to be part of these trends. formation, maybe we cannot trust the big powerful countries. solutions can also come from a local level. the majority of the world's population lives in cities. climate change is particularly noticeable here, especially in the form of extreme heat and rising sea level. new ideas are needed to ensure that metropolis is do not soon become uninhabited. the sea has already

engulfed most of the beach. the egyptian city of alexandria could be in ruins soon . this concrete wall is supposed to protect the cities more than 5000000 inhabitants. from rising sea level in the netherlands, closing houses are being used to adapt to the rising water level. the seats is stored in as house and come creates to come about this green spaces of the news. this skyscraper in single pool is supposed to cool itself. a total of 25000 square meters of vegetation helps the facade to be 7 degrees cooler than the surrounding temperature the oil. so these light colors in morocco have a cooling effect. the indian industrial metropolis pool now relies on parks and expanding bike pops another method using a lot of votes. that's

a cool down like the show in tokyo. how can we best protect ourselves against climate change? when you see those solutions do think that's the right way. that's where we need to . yeah, it's an important way because most of the emissions are coming from cities, but also we need to adapt. and this is why we need cooling spaces. we need of, uh, i mean, buildings like we're doing right now, but they offer more pooling more water for the people. and here we have both on the one hand solutions to protect climate by getting the emissions down, but also the solutions for helping people to adapt and to, to live in the way. and right now a lot of cities do not offer it. and in full, in many ways, especially if we are looking at germany, i mean to fix it is asked on,

not facing it's 5 now. and here we need to change now. but yet that also costs money because to cost a lot of money and money and for how much we have surveys. chris, when we talk about for example, the station was, or there's something which is very, very limited, especially in the global cells. well, for example, the water has been always extremely expensive, so much here in the future it would be even more maybe would have the next conflicts around water. so this is a traveling issue. so how do we manage the transform mission, especially by having new green cities? so how can the adapt of the architecture and designs which we have us? so i think this is a very good beginning, but i think the mankind has always been always dealing also with such claimants in

various regions of the world. so i think there's more knowledge in this world if we already an offering to learn from each other and adapt or the i see the building measures that when you hear all of this, matthew, do think that maybe the fact that it's now hitting it hard in the northern hemisphere can actually be in a way, very carefully, a positive thing because it shifts change more quickly. well, i certainly hope so it's, and i think we are, you know, seeing people, you know, concentrate more on, on, on these issues. now we're sitting here having this discussion and i, i do think again the people here need to really feel it 1st hand in order to sort of spur them into action. because, you know, as, as we've heard, it's, it's, it's been really ality in, in the global south for it for some time. and if you follow the news regularly on any given day, i mean, we're feeling it right now in europe. but on any given day, at any time of year, there's going to be, you know,

side clone or some sort of extreme weather event often and most often in africa or asia and people here, 10 not really pay attention. so i think, you know, it is also an opportunity and the question is, you know, for business in wealthy countries, how are they going to take advantage of this as, as we heard the car industry, particularly in europe, particularly in germany, was very slow to recognize this opportunity to adapt to this change and they're still trying to catch up, but you've seen other companies come out. the tesla were b y, d in china, big electric car maker. and you know, take advantage of that and be very successful. so i think we shouldn't just focus on, on the positive when having these discussions because there are opportunities there as well. so we have time for a very quick last round of yes, no questions. me. is there a room to be optimistic in all of this? well, i mean i, i'm very pessimistic, but right now, but there is room for optimism, i think because we have

a lot of solutions and we are here the privilege, swan and can change it. what do you think there will be up to i trust mankind to be even more to, to improve the situation. but also inventive. on the other side, we need to learn more from the perspective what the other. so it's an extremely urgent issue because people are really suffering right now and we're trying to manage our privilege. so i think people will learn from those perspectives. is one last word from ask. uh well i would be uh maybe a little bit more pessimistic in the short term a bit more optimistic and in the long term we will definitely stay with that to all of you. thank you very much for watching. remember that you can also watch our program on our youtube channel. that's the news. just look for to the point of mine played, i guess, to all 3 of us. thank you very much for being here. hope to see you next time. take care and by

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