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the inflation isolation back to cuba to del casters sessions and has failed even without cuba changing revolution 13 we've got some hot tips for your bucket list. the magic corner chat, hot spot for food and some great coach on the board has to vote w travel off we go the this week on complex own, the form of pakistani prime minister in rome con faces when he goes a $184.00 charges and says he'll soon be back in jail because government says it will hand over to a cafe administration in august paving the way for new elections. so welcome to be
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able to take. the question is, if you would, if i'm in jail, which i think they would sooner or later put me in jail, when will they allow the party to confess selection? that's the big question. con insists, but the pocket sounds possible and the comfortable army is out to get to and is appealing to the well to face the countries democracy from one kind of democratic racquel does he have his roundly criticized by human rights groups when he was in office? obviously respond now to the charges and one of the being some saw on the tyler and wrong tom. welcome to come fix on my pleasure. the pakistani government says it will hand over parts. where can i take a government august? the 14th paving the way for general elections. if that happens, do you plan to contest those elections the most disciplined him?
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we're going to contest the election of west. it is, will they allow a party to could best be election? this is the big question right now. will they allow you because you've got something like a 180 serious charges against you, all of what you've denied to 1000 that disqualify you from taking box or might it was to the age of 70. i didn't have one criminal case. and then the last few months, i've almost 180, but it's still not just that my entire body leadership is on the ground, or in june about 10000 of a workers on june right now. so there's a door to grab done on my body. so the question is, you would, if i'm in jail, which i think there was so normally to put me in jail, when will they allow the body to contest selection? that's a big question. and if they found you, you've already suggested that you might just start a new part to use that time for that. well, we're speaking to a noise. i mean,
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there's no way that they can band a political body which has almost 70 percent rating a public improvement in the country. so uh, we just want to know what are the tactics they use to bend the body. and then what options have you got off to that? your st. fussy, a piece for a violence campaign. i don't see violence. uh, because uh, you know, elections as something the whole country is waiting for. the vast majority of people are waiting for elections in this country. and so in the, in a way that will let the steam off. but is the other, what is the they might go against the constitution and, and the lady elections because a federal news like on the 14th of may this year the supreme court according to the constitution, had announced the elections of punjab,
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which is 60 percent the bug is gone, but the government refused. so because the federal losing so we, we're still not sure whether they will go ahead with the elections. you've been complaining, but to democracy is hanging by a thread in talk you san shortly. one of the main reasons for that is that you have a, a possible ami that's been pulling the strings um, since independence in the country. and without any public accountability. why did you never manage to bring it on the democratic control? what you know them by just on started off as a security state. we came to being 47 and 1948. there was a conflict with india. there was enormous amount of insecurity and bug this done that would reduce the volume as a state where the neighbor, hostile levels 7 times the size. so hence, the over lines on the military began and almost half the time we had,
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we would work directly by military to the middle, various military dictators. and then the rest by these 2 families. so i am randy and outside the game and in 2018. so therefore the, the, the army basically is entrenched in our political system. now the big question is, how do we know it warm up political system into more, it was a genuine democracy rather than a hybrid system. so you're fine with me one to as long as a back. you, you once put it on one, you would on one page when it came to policy decisions. now that you've fallen out of love with each other, you accused them of persecution and attempting to kill you. and they've thrown these $180.00 charges against you. did you really think you could take on the army and when looked on the situation as of all right. you know, as i say, you only crossed that are the ones because you don't dime as dime bosses is no
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longer there is the same sort of bug as thought it was 70 years ago. or 20 years ago. when general the sheriff impose the marshal. this is a different bug is done in 20 years. we've had a free media. last time you had independent tv channels coming in on a vibrant media. and secondly, we had a moved one for the independence of jew district, which was in 2007. it started then, so i did actually became fairly independent, whereas previously was bought up the executive now and now the, the situation and focus on is completely different. the acceptability of marshal is just 0 in this country though. so what the, what is going on right now is a, as a new equilibrium. how do now have a system where the electric brian minister has the responsibility?
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but does he have new thought or do to implement his program? my 3 into off isn't bala. i found that basically we were all the same page and by the army, you mean the army to because those or democracy in the army. so we what, what, what, what through you as a, the, the problem i had was that in the last 6 months, he then decided to talk to the he already intreat with the kind of prime minister and to get an extension. he'd been undermined by government. but the only problem i had with him before that was that i want to my one body is going to move on for just as bringing the fossil under the law you, when you were pushed out of office by the know confidence vote. last year you, you could have quietly accepted it. you could have gone into opposition and waited to contest the elections. but when you were arrested last matter,
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you claim the army chief assume one year was behind it that petrified you said they know that we will sweep the elections. so they've been looking for an excuse to put me in jail. you also named the senior officer. i was trying to have you killed in a way you are asking for trouble. why don't you? you must have know that the time, what bus be, you know, i might, if it was a normal vote of no confidence, i would have accepted it. but the problem was that in this case, there was a lot of money, openly, money exchanges, hands and the army chief and 3 and use the intelligence agencies. uh, you know, to, uh, bring a government down. not i would still would have accepted it. but i had started, but wanted to explain, he said when he was a, go against these to get up families. both of them have massive corruption cases. it gives them, in fact, was as
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a body was put into jail by and watched people corruption cases. it gives no most people from us as of the boats were done by the military establishment as corrupt. so what i objected was that off to off to all of this uh, uh, 27 years of struggle. they were imposing the same groups on us again. and that's why i went into the public and by the way, no disruption. i just the public, riley's, the public, the little this is, you know, we are not cheap. i mean, they cannot impose these books on us and the exit expect that like we dump she, we would just accept this injustice. and that's what happened. the people responded out of 37 by elections like bobby, sort of heard you of them despite the establishment supporting them. now that's when they got water that that's when they tried to kill me. that was my 1st that's, that's an issue with them. some fixed the july or something of course much they've denied mr. cowell do you, you claim to want democracy in progress done but,
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but many of you actually don't seem to bear that out. you rejected the results of the times. you said the intellectuals, the brought in that was sherry's to pass, and when his government rebuffed your demand to stand down or hold due elections, you threaten to storm his house. how, how democratic was that of love and doing thousands of elections would rig the establishment then join the hands of the luxury when vig, the elections, all we, all of them was that out of the 100 and $32.00 petitions of the nation about of the federal government, we suggest a board random ones, just have an audit done. and if, if there's no reason we would accept it. right, so the address 2014 your at to this alongside those of a hotline. islam is preacher, here on the country, attacked the parliament, another government buildings, at least 3 people were killed. i'm hundreds injured and you find the flames of
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violence when torques failed. what did that have to do with democracy? this is not true. let me tell you the exactly what happened. we aust ball full of the constituents used to be opened up out of a $133.00 which would challenge they refused. we did a protest and we did a protest $426.00. there's been, nothing happened except for one day. nothing happened to the most peaceful protest . all right, just asking them to do a, a, a check on the elections. it actually went to the supreme court that but it was never a violent the one night that was violent was unfortunately, you know, we, another party also joined us in the broad us. and so, um, you know, they something happened one night and there was shelling and so on. but the,
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this is, you told the crowd, i'm prepared to die here. you said, i've loved the government plans a major down against this to my i'm here till my last breath. it's almost as if you wanted a punchout. no, no, no, no, no. this is what i want you to 0 right now. what's happening? i mean, it's completely different. what's happening right now, while you're talking about 9, i was trying, i was talking about 2014. i was talking about 2014, the more of the month. you know, i mean, what happened was, i mean it's a, i could go into details. i mean, did tried to disrupt the peaceful drug test, and they tried to remove us from them. then that was the, i guess, the and so on and drives as good as a way. and so we resisted that. but i mean the, the factors in my 27 years i have or was a everyone to remain within the constitution and exercise i right. what piece or protest, and that's what it was, a $126.00. the only one that was the biggest challenge, the uncertainty,
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if you guys have these beautiful people died, why not control your supporters instead of stoking the violins? what we saw this year in may this year, your arrest by palomino to troops and there's a lot about high cool. there's lead to protests and writing by your supporters across the country as well as vandalism, against military installations. at least 8 people died probably many more. what the oh, what did they die? full of plastic case of blame the victim. what happened on the 9th of may? i was sitting in inside the sama bud. hi god. i had no. there was no warrant against before. as for a while, i was sitting the building in the forms. i was there was an attack by not just ranges, but the bundles, tomatoes game. and then this was, there's a visible everywhere the game and the role to that uh are just the office that was
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sitting in the beach of everyone that my lawyers were beach enough to stop was beaten up. i was it on my head. and the drag me out like a criminal. i mean, when these images went out, there was obviously going to be a reaction. did you call? what time did you call them a bad 111. what was this competing? bear in mind the supreme court then that the last of the days that but this was not a risk, abduction was unconstitutionally non lawful. so i was the victim of this. and this, the way that we didn't b as the reaction to that there was always going to be a reaction. i mean, imagine the head of the biggest body being treated like there is. so there was going to be a reaction, but the question is, water that we've ordered that last long cause you to act? the question is i like the question the answer?
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well, some of the questions on whether you, you tried to stop it mister. com, you'll often you'll often do glad committed my hold on hold on. just one moment i was in june foot board is how was i supposed to stop? i didn't even know what was going on when to produce, but it in front of the supreme court of justice. that's the best i found out about the violence and i condemned to immediately. mister com, you'll often declared commitment to democracy. it doesn't seem to have been appreciated by everybody when you impart in 2021 your last full year and office human rights watch says you'll government stepped up its efforts to control the media and cut out this send all star. it is highest and at times, detain janice and other members of civil society for criticizing government officials and policies that said, are you proud of that? i wish they would give me specific incidents. we have investigated that. what den incidence of douglas, you know, who claims that they have been mistreated,
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dennis evans, my body was only responsible for one of them. my government, which amazingly was every single 4 of them related to the security bosses were coming out of the war on debtor. and they, they then part of that that these guys were always stepping in the principal vendor but, and so on. nothing to do it by government. you cannot compare them. what is going on right now? the best journalist, 100 out of the country murdered for, for what the objectives have run out of the country. us other gymnast who is the highest viewership on youtube, has been abducted for 2 months. his family doesn't know where he is or media is controlled today, my name is brought to to be mentioned on television. the stay with you. all right, cool. anyone doing martian roses is that sort of media climbed on some respect camera staying with your record because stand in 2021 human rights. what said the
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authors expanded the use of draconian sufficient and counter terrorism laws to stifle defend and strictly regulate civil society groups? critical of government, action, or authorities also cracked down on members or supporters of opposition. political parties. in that you, you run a pretty nice the government into what is human rights watch just making this up the. i wish that would give some specific examples because i didn't tell you my time was liberal. judy street was never into fed what? the police was never to to victimize people. $10000.00 workers of mine i'm deal today is dies. senior leadership was in jail. me the number of times the opposite shouldn't the best, nor wants to try and stop them. they have never even allowed us to do one piece or protest on the go on your grab, don't listen to me. this has never happened in the history. people are being picked
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up in the middle of the night. the houses are broken and houses are run by the police doesn't mean that the reading of deborah right now. even in general shuttles, marshall, it was liberal compared to what is happening right now. in terms of 21, your own human rights commission, pakistan's own human rights commission, was gazing about. what's it called? your government's deliberate attempts to malign numerous human rights, defend the agendas, the government's increasing the or sorry terry and tendencies provide. it says no room for consensus building between the state and civil society. they get it wrong as well, or are they making up the slums? are they biased? what is the look of denver? i never claimed that, you know, we, there was a, this a, you know, ronald does great the democracy be just the, we installed it, not to you. and all of us bear in mind that in the last 60 is half the time,
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was that if he doesn't have the time these 2 families. so mike government, this was the 1st time we were in bower and i could tell you if you look at our record in terms of victimizing the opponents, 95 percent of the case, it goes all political opponents, but an edited by us not initiated by us i'm merely, we would try to pursue the same guesses which we inherited. there was no breathalyzer since i've been through all positions. and do any of riley's, there were 3 long lodges as long but not one. this was registered against them. a 180 cases against me. most of them deborah's, i'm good. the murder cases, the corruption goes, is there a uh, a last week is it gives me an in the last 7 months. this has never happened in a history. i was about to break a word, record, threes by double essentially. i mean, every day i wake up, there's another is an,
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or remember, or my senior leadership was in jail or, or they're in hiding. so, i mean, i'm towards the i submitted today. i called you to this point, it's outside by of the check. anyone who comes inside know, was the martians. all these sort of things that will happen. let's, let's talk about some of your attitudes that's of the excited. so we say less than into z, as in by the international community. in august 2021. you welcome to tyler brands sees a power in afghanistan saying that afghans have broken the shackles of slavery. as i've been seeing how the women of afghanistan saw from breaking the shackles and have them brucely re attached by the toddler box, would you like to revise that opinion or do you choose just not the number one? this was a speech. talking about. many mental colonialism. we would try,
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we as the speech dealing with changing our uh, education syllabus curriculum because we still have your role in your curriculum, whether it's on a lead testing list medium under the rest of the medium. and that was this big gap between the rich and the book because of this education. so that what i was trying to do, it was a normal speech in or do i was trying to tell them that we have to break these mental janesville slavery. and basically i was as a part that in a lot of time, then within the independence, this was made into such a big thing. i mean, the revised it. i've given you a chance to revise your opinion of the bible, the width, wicked and beat women when they demonstrated for their rights width uh, fuzzy tim list. i'm, i'm just getting let's get the fax,
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right. i guess the british in the 19th century, the law, i've got that independence they freedom when the, when the british left soviet, so the 20th century when the left, the go to the for you. so the us, when the left, the god, the freedom. that's how you is just a fact. not going to be thought about the 1st of all. whichever government does in baldwin about us on august on has to have good relationship with them. i had very good relationship or tried by best with the honey government. leave us government, i went to govern, i invited him as a prime minister. we have a 2 and a half 1000 kilometer border with applied is done. we look upon a one is done as balaban government drug, i need government. we look upon them as a law and government because if we don't have good relationship with vio, von government, the 3000001 refuges, living in august on, sorry, was refused to condemn the crimes you'll receive the them that correct? no, no. first of all, let me just, yeah,
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so that you understand what you have done with this dave bug, a son should have good relationship with them. because in the previous then that was the 3 that is groups operating from a lot of silent august on the duty piece eisen and then there was the bulge, a liberation on. so from our point of view, if we have good relationship with the one government, then they will control this across the board of directors. and that is the main reason. now you come out of the other one must defend themselves, whatever you don't, they shows you haven't got this both. you're you have nothing to say about the summary executions or enforce disappearances of more than a 100 form. i've gotten security personnel, but hundreds of people who were evicted from the homes. you have ministrations that we must strengthen them, stabilize the current government for the sake of the people of afghanistan. why would you a self declared democrat one to strengthen a government,
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but was still is repressing brutalizing so many people are not kind of stuff that's . that's what people in the west quite difficult to understand the 1st of all as the prime interest of the country. my top priority is people have focused on what is good for them. what is good for our people is based on a bonus done. that's been 40 years of conflict and a lot of stuff. and whenever there's a conflict in nevada, stop, it spends a way to to plug expands tribal areas. and so we, we then phase destabilization in northern, in the northwest and border. so therefore, i mean, it's not up to me to start more or less. think about other countries, right? you don't have any principals, you know, they are principles. but you know, when you talk about foreign policy of the country and let me tell you the western countries right now, our democracy is being dismantled in front of their eyes. instead, once did but a district, i mean, they talk about, but not something happens in hong kong. they don't blame china full of being on the
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demo category. russia. oh, oh, because i know about which seems to me about it. you. the good for that is focused on this month, the democracy of the $10000.00 people and do the sort of victimization going on and sort of planned on, on media. so is that a statement by anyone? because it's not in their interest. so the country is the western countries looked at their own interest and should be there to sort of why they should of human rights are the, is there any going to measure? no, because in the is a strategic i like a bottle was against china. so doing the countries like us, you know, who have 100000000 bundle of people in this country. 50000000 below the poverty line, 50000000, just above it. this is our priority. it is all these you, us be give statement against the we goes, what china doing all of the ukraine, russian country where we've gone to for these model instead. but because our
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statements go to that, people going below the poverty line in this country or so. so i'm as a bright minister this one of the roster to rather than of woke up a doctor because all the wrongs being done in this world. all right, america, we have to leave it there. thank you very much indeed for your time. my pleasure to thank you the, the, the
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