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the, the russia tries to show it has friends around the world, but a 2 day summit of african leaders in st. petersburg didn't get quite the turnout might have hoped for russia's attempt to control the agenda. didn't go to plan either. the message from vladimir, who is guest, stopped the war in ukraine. i'm clear, richardson in berlin and you are watching the day a, the, we can't close our eyes to the problem between russia and ukraine. is our hope that constructive engagement and negotiation can bring about in the end to the ongoing concepts that you, that i should federation and you crate. you have that we have repeatedly said that
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we are ready for talks. said goodwood, this war must end. and they can only add on the basis of justice. and the reason also on that day we'll take a closer look at what's behind waning public support for the us supreme court. i wouldn't feel comfortable with this current supreme court. outside of me, i can be election. the supreme court is there for a reason, but maybe maybe not, maybe the current and the individuals. there are the people that we can be trustworthy with. we start the day in st. petersburg, where 2 days of talks between russian and african leaders have drawn to a close, rushes prepared to supply african countries with weapons. some of them for free and work more closely with intelligence agencies on the confidence president vladimir putin. also thank the african nations for a peace initiative. was by african leaders at the summit aimed at ending the war,
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a new cry pretty free because, i mean, well, the african leaders who took part at the summit have not condemned russia for you invading ukraine. but their calls for an end of the war and a renewal of grain exports from ukraine were more forceful than they've been in the past. sit there to see this war must end in the boost and it can only end on the basis of justice. and reason, a lip, the disruption it is causing to non energy and grain supplies. it must end immediately immediately. luckily, the agreement, the reins must be extended for the benefit of all the peoples of the world war and africans. in particular, i'm particularly single romani teaches politics and international relations at oxford. he's an associate fellow at the royal united services institute defense think tag is also the author of russia in africa. looking at moscow has post a cold war, foreign policy in africa. a very warm welcome to the day,
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so we've heard, they're great exports, our top of the mines for african leaders at that summit. do you think this promises to maintain supplies to africa? will be enough and that these concerns of a global food crisis. well, i think is probably fear that it's not going to be enough. i guess what it was that the african union is be so strongly about ending to warn you brain as well as the pushing for ad and then just some of the secondary consequences and also aligned to your sympathetic leaders like new egypt and cc oliver. similarly, thanks, i don't think the african leaders are really that convinced that directly and transfer free green over. yeah, absolutely. and also it appears i did not get the turn off any hope for at this summit. obviously, there are historical linkages between africa and thanks to the soviet union support of anti colonial movements in the 20th century. but can you tell us how much that endures? and is it stronger in certain countries? it was simply something that the russians like to uh, play at the video card and they go back to the soviet legacy in the home as ation.
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so it was interesting to see that that the good coverage of the queue is western countries are trying to pressure average members not to attend the summit because of new colonial aspirations. there were discussions of the some kind of a national liberation, moving and taking place. and even the reaction to the community here, and it just then full that with the end of frank, a freak and deliberation of all of west africa with molly and bringing it back. so having been the previous one. so this is definitely something that does resonate resonates most strongly in places like so that gives the experience of a product that angola because of the long and projected the holiday sion process the parts at all as was in some parts of french west africa. yeah. and coming out of the summit, we're hearing rushes, also signed a military military cooperation agreements with over 40 african countries. that's fairly, a lot like the cold war. can you tell us how significant you think this development is really depends on what the justice of these individual merch identical agreements are. they have especially has already signed 20 countries with mostly
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digital agreements interpreting 15 to 2020. some of them were simply just hammer use, some of them offer training and police forces and anti piracy assistance and americans fear, and some of them actually let doris live, raising the deployment of instructors, like we saw some job we're going to public or molly? so not all the cooperation is that may create a default, so we need to be seen is exactly what it falls in these agreements in the recent months. yeah, and your book has part of the growth of mosque has influence in africa over the past 3 decades. how ideologically aligned, do you think african states or with moscow? is there a clear link or is this just a practical matter of where they see the most support? it was a bit of a practical matter. i think we looked at daphne pulitzer, in, inside africa. i thought maybe for molly with his head, the control information space and the disdain for france and referencing at the end of the vast majority of people in the upper hedge not approve of the warranty range
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. for instance, i have to leadership also usually gets low scores in the afternoon. i'm bad as only i don't see this actually decline over the course of the past year. but also it poses the washing efforts to try to isolate worship in the dash on stage into the accept a lot of rushes ideas of other multiple are world order and it wants to that play all the major powers of each other. i think it's mostly pragmatic, but this call promoted larry in his office and she just answers that. right? yeah, i think it's something that might be additional. yeah. now it also seems like at this summit we heard a stronger town from african leaders against russia than we have previously heard up for which countries is russia's war against ukraine. the most consequential was obviously for countries where there's and severe food and security problem. so uh, somali obviously was one of the targets are free rain for great 100-5000 dance 50000 dens being delivered. we're also seeing a rush of really try and make an outreach towards ethiopia, including guide tripling members to jewelry and students shouldn't be handing
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a freshman universities. oddly enough, not offering any kind of grain or culture support to be honest government. so i think would say most consequential renters in the heart of africa as well as more the forget the guy's going to you, the egypt have you like with yeah, have a longstanding, as usual dependency. are you printing great, and that's really what they'll be concerned about. and just briefly, before i let you go rushes in rhodes on the content, where does this leave ukraine's western backers as well. i mean, i think they just uh, easily call that russian still does have considerable at the end, even though we have the leaders again as important for the us. and the last to take more of a 1st mover action on com battery, where she does information, especially when food insecurity, the warranty, right? how need or for both this war and things like this? there was informational security summit that was, that occurred at the workshop or to summit, a place for boot and defeat a comma information space. and the west should really pay attention to that, that they want to win hearts and minds and kendra,
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i think it's very much for that very enlightening interview, that singlet romani from the royal united services institute. appreciate your time . so let's turn now to new jerry, where a key western ally has been over thrown and a crew. its former colonial ruler, france has said it will not recognize the leaders of the punch and that it still considers to pose president mohammed presume, be sold, leader general. i'll do it on a shawnee who led the rules has named himself president of a new transitional council. as, as the in the latest moods, by new jazz military to lead as an announcement on state tv to suspend the constitution leave. the institution was created by the remember 252010 constitution . dissolve. the man who led to the mutiny appealed for support and won't against foreign intervention. that strong to sit there and should have the national council for the safeguarding of the country is motivated by the soul, desire to preserve
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a beloved homeland on the one hand and the face of the continuous deterioration of the security situation. and this without the authorities, that thing is glimpse a real solution to the crisis. who economic and social government economy the source? yeah. general johnny has overseen the presidential gods and influenced the ministry for use while the army has to catch ya. he has the new head of states, the else that president mohammed by zoom is still being held. the who has to get a wave of unrest in the capital, naomi with mixed opinions about what could follow. and you can only call on god's help to bring peace, so things can return to order, so the country can do better. that's all we're asking before we will really suffering. now after the cruise, the situation will complete. the change in the internationally condemnation is growing from world leaders, including the un and african union. so that's how school dead fronts come jams in
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the strongest possible times this military cruelty to get the courageous, democratically elected leader to come up in this moment of strife. we employ or parties to engage in constructive disclose to restore peace in these for the time of the nation. has seen several ministry cruise and faced use of political and economic instability. a key ally of the west is being at the full front in the fight against armed actors in this a health concerns are increasing about the wida security implications, and where the unrest will spill beyond these as borders. and i'm very pleased to welcome a joseph, a siegel from the african center for strategic studies in washington, d. c. thank you so much for joining us as the dust starts to settle. is it now clear that general, i don't know how many gianni is in control in new share? well, no, it isn't clear. so he's doing,
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he has declared himself as the head of states and the, the leader of, of the military junta there. but it isn't clear that there is any popular support for this move. i just didn't clear that the rest of the military is on board. and there's been the very strong combination of the 2 from within the region. by echo, asked west africa regional blocks, the african union, and many other international actors. so there's a long way before he can consolidate this power. grab, needed air under president mohammed presume had become one of the most important strategic allies for, for both of us. and for its former colonial power, france, what reaction have we seen from them to the screw or? well, both in france, united states and the united nations that others have uh,
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condemn the pool. and you know, i think more more broadly, we need to keep in mind that the president buzz was democratic, connected to 2 years ago. you want to be 6 percent of the vote. he had been the 1st president lived here who had succeeded in other civilian president. so it's been about 10 years since we've had the government in this year . and so it was quite a big deal that we're, we're starting see a bunch of democracy in the share. yeah. and now we're seeing this take hold on if, if the zoom is not reinstated, do you think that would happen? allies like france in the united states, will they continue to work with the crew leaders and these are well, it's too soon to stay and we'll have to see. but uh,
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the statements from uh, you know, international committee and from democratic actors have been very clear that they know that they don't recognize that much are yeah. and so that they recognize that this is a problem, because we're seeing a pattern of military actors using power across the cell and a half or 2 more generally. and if the trend isn't stopped, isn't if there isn't a red line drawn, we're going to see more of these military. who does? i think what's notable in all these crews, but especially notable in need this year is that the reasons given for the crew are extremely hollow insurance dental overall did a good job and dealing with its security challenges, it doesn't have anywhere near the same threats that we're seeing in mali and burkina faso economically, the country has been growing. it was on track for 7 and
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a half percent growth. this year. role bank is protecting richard project. it's going to be 12 and a half percent next year. so, you know, the rationale for this is really lacking and one can't help but conclude this is just a power grab for, for power sake. what does this tell us about what lies ahead for new share? do you think that it's like molly and the central african republic is going to drift toward russia? now again, it's too early to say that there haven't been close ties between russia and this year over the years. as the announcement by the leaders suggest that they want to retain, you know, all the ties that they've had with the western countries with various donors. they just want to be in charge. and so initial fences. no, there,
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there isn't an effort to reach out to russia. now, i've had to say that russia isn't going to try to opportunistically, use this as a wedge and try to help gain influence as they have in other countries. especially starting to actively use this information over the past year to try to stir up to sent within the share and through the wagner group. but by you have any promotion. you know, they have hinted at other crews that were in, in the works. and this year, so this certainly been playing a, the role of troublemaker, but we'll have to see where it would go moving forward. yeah, that's a fascinating element of it. that's all we have time for. i'm afraid. thank you so much for joining us on the w that is joseph siegel joining from washington dc. my question, thank you. last year the united
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states supreme court struck down, roby. wait a rolling that a guarantee. the nationwide, right to abortion, and a half century the ruling stood there was never a majority of americans in favor of over turning it. many in the us saw the move as political, especially after it was made possible by the decision of 3 justices appointed by donald trump. public trust in the court is now at its lowest level in decades, and that's an image problem that could tests united states democratic institutions . the w correspondent, mikaela cooper reports the. this is the home of america's constitution. the united states supreme court. it has the final say on how to read below and personally, it's the last line of defense for democracy. when all else fails. in the year 2000, then republican candidate, george w bush beat, the democrats. i'll go only off to the supreme court for you to stop the florida
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recount effectively hunting verse to prisoners team together a winning coalition here tonight, there was accepted by al gore immediately. while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accepted you can't imagine donald trump doing something like that. nobody can, with the fund thrown out for the republican presidential candidacy, who can't be trusted to accept the election results. public confidence in the supreme court is more crucial than ever with that is waning. the latest poem shows the shop dropped from 60 percent of americans who said they had a large degree of trust in the supreme court a year ago to just 139 percent. now, at the moment of ever depot political divisions because it is experiencing a decline in public trust that trust is particularly important. now, as many said that the 2024 presidential elections could become all about disputing
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election outcomes. i wouldn't feel comfortable with this current. supreme court, outside of the outcome of the election, the supreme court is there for a reason, but maybe maybe not, maybe the current emit individuals. there are the people that we can be trustworthy with and makes you question their impartiality. about reading the law. the decline interest is rooted in what many republican see is. donald trump's most important achievement file pointing 3 judges for life during just 4 years in office. the use it's the last thing, legacy conservators majority for the case to come. that majority has fundamentally assisted the court position on may the rulings that had been in place for decades. most spectacularly, they stripped women of the right to have an abortion over tony ro versus ways of precedent such as health some century. it also outlawed from a to accent in
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university admissions. to decades of policy is considering race, a factor in application. well, the quote hasn't always followed republican expectations. many re bees decisions as to new to size the tax on long standing rulings. they said they would uphold president, and one of the 1st things they did was undermine precedent. and so here we have people who sit on the court for life and they are recreating this country politically based on what the conservatives can decide if they want to. but the quote is also making negative headlines of a 2 conservative judges. accepting gifts from political donors, maintaining public face in the supreme court could become the next stress test for americans. democracy as it hits into the 2020 full presidential campaign that's bringing our washington correspondent, mikaela clifford who filed that report of the us government. it's set up with a separation of powers where the supreme court is meant to keep the legislature and
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executive branches and check. what i'd like to know is, are these public concerns really about the institution itself or, or is it just dissatisfaction with the way that it's been ruling of late? so it seems to be a bit of both. i mean, one thing is to show and i didn't even cite the worst polling that's at the trust in the spring coat poured over windows, dived off to that ruling the overtime of road versus wage width guaranteed women nationwide. the right to have an abortion opiate under certain conditions. and now the approval of supreme court also varies a lot whether you're speaking to democrats or republicans. it's only 30 percent of democrats who have faith in the quote, but it's 70 percent of republicans that were poles according to one pulse. so there's several pulls out there, and it feeds the image in the public that the supreme court isn't what it says, help to be something that is removed from the political arena. the in fighting the
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for the pauses in way of thinking about fund event, mental values is fed to interpret the constitution, which is the underlying contract of a society. and more and more public sentiment seems to be, it's just one more arena for that political fight that people are seeing. so bi partisan sit, a wholesome approach on, on, depending values of society becomes more and more difficult. and most of all, this is the very court that could be decisive in 2024. if there is a title x. and if somehow the process got stuck. yeah. tell us more about that. where'd you see that a lack of public trust in the supreme court might oh, it was a really serious issue in the future. or it's exactly that. when you talk about laws, they can be changed and they are part of the daily political deal making in congress, in dialogue with the president also fights between the presidents and the house.
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for instance, you need to both so by carol system need both to actually change those. the constitutions, you can't just change. the political majority of today cannot change the constitution. you would need a 2 thirds majority in both houses to do that or 2 sides of all states coming together and expressing the wish to change the constitution says basically not with the doable. and that's why republicans was celebrating so much when they were able to a point 3 judges just within those 4 years of donald trump. and, and that's when 3 judges were appointed. that's a modem and a record. you'd have to go back more than a 100 years to see anything similar from happening. but that's as also said the impression on the democrat side that this quote may not be able with a comp trust this uh, quote, potentially. and that's where the real danger lies. because this is the real safe god for us democracy. when everything else could descend into chaos. i mean,
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the west supreme court does have quite a note where the role compared to other systems of government around the world for international viewers to help them understand the role of the courts in the united states. and in charting the course on some of the most contentious social and political issues in the united states. why isn't it that these aren't just handled by the legislature? this is because the court is that to, into effect the constitution. and the constitution is something like the marriage contract of the us states, those 50 states that often are far apart on individual issues. sometimes depending on whether they are republican or democrat, that they use away, but also on a host of other issues. migration, for instance. so at the, somehow the constitutional quote, the supreme court is that to laid down watts at the constitution means translated into law. and that's why it was such an outrage to many democrats when long standing rulings. and that laid down, for instance,
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that affirmative action and considering race as a legitimate way to select students. that's a little that, well, that's a regulation that was deemed of being in line with the constitution for decades. so was the right to have an abortion when that was over a ton to many what the to constitution means was actually changed. it affects many people's lives. and that we interpretation of a constitution that hasn't actually changed. bass has moved this quote. so at the heart of the political debate, and that's where it doesn't want to be, and that's where it's chief justice still insists. it isn't because it's not bad to reflect public opinion. but if it starts lacking trust, people might stop listening to it. and that's could become very dangerous indeed to a democracy, particularly in times of crises. and we don't know what's the next 12 plus months. we'll bring in terms of political time. well with a potential republican candidate,
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donald trump, once again. indeed, we don't. thank you so much for that update. that's mechanical start in washington dc. and finally, europe, the most famous lavender fields may be associated with southern france, but that's not the only place that it can grow. climate change means one in german farmer in bavaria has switched part of his holdings to lavender production. but he has tough in mire, says he wanted a sustainable product that was more resilient to hotter and dryer. somers. in addition to lavender, german farmers are also experimenting with kidney beans and chick piece of the will. that's our time for now. but make sure to stay informed to stay engaged and stay in touch. you can find us at www dot. com or you can find us on social media at w. notice i'm quite richardson in for lynn for me in the whole team here. thank you so much for watching the day.
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