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hunched up, i suffered thoughts and human treatments. for 7 months, even animals are subject to to that is decided to prosecute this regions population. they're trying to wipe out by some, some jack, couple of sick to show just separate beijing, the political heart of the people's republic of china. i guess down enough kind of stuff reaching natural resources, spotty, 6 ethnic groups. fact, one could say that china was cutting to condemn, i'm kind of nice ation of that territory. and i've been fighting for decades to present of the chinese communist party decided to disregard its own constitution. and to attack the bedrock of weak a culture, an identity is not the incident john going to the most having a bit, wearing a job or keeping
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a corona can lead to arrest. and sometimes prison in china, people may only worship the chinese communist party. particularly in saint john, west, social stability is vital to the government. the region is essential to the country's growth. it's land contains one 3rd of china's coal. oil and gas reserves . singers also produces 20 percent of the world's cold, and that's no tall in 2013, the chinese president most is colossal project belts and road initiative. this includes a new 10000 kilometer ryan and tie way network, connecting china to your through central asia. in china, the main cussing point for these new trade rates is in turn,
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the chinese leaders decided that in order to best exploit the regions resources they needed to secure even if that meant sacrificing the people that you know you called to you that you said that you that you would be among contradictions. yeah. how's it was among cause i used to be, pun joe's agent painting is bending over the belt and road and the city of the gate to which he's been changed all time in the city. you see tons deal but 1st stretch and the built in road initiative will fail and that project is vital to she's in pain that you know. so he's trying to ensure that since yang is stable and secure, it's a guarantee the access of the building road initiative. i'm oh, that's why she's in pain, is using so many resources to have total control as in jane and i. so how do i see jim ping? the issue isn't just these policies in this for design, the countries whole economy and even the survival of the country itself,
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or it's thank you. sense of the issue. the, of course, the chinese need is treat isn't check by the week is resisted by season occupation by the over the years. but i've been born and pleasures between the 2 ethnic groups. the some week has decided to radicalize the struggle, talking on chinese and other re just october 29th, 2013. there was a suicide attack in the chinese capitalist gentleman square a call within john plates deliberately drove into the crowd coming to people, concluding faulty before exploding. a few months later on march, the 1st 2014 commission station in human province was attacked. 6 men to women,
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described by official media this week a terrorist stops the 2 on people to test the members of the national people's congress observed a minute saw events in omar to becoming victims, shooting pain declared war on the 3 scotches poisoning china, separatism, extremism and terrorism, the weakest must become loyal to the chinese communist party or else disappear. since 2014, the communist regime has imposed absolute secrecy regarding their actions against the weakest. st john became an information bye call. within the week, at the espresso, particularly in the us room, this began to circulate china legendary on the computer we education captain, send jack in which thousands of week is repeating
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the. this is radio from washington. march 2017 week of june and his tech solved in washington managed to shift some lights on them out to the short ocean lifts and journey to us almost 30 years ago. despite the distance, he remains one of the best informed people about face to face people in washington, the host week of content on radio free asia, a pro democratic station, funded by the us congress, asian peoples oppressed by auth, or terry and regimes. man, uh, bulk stuff on it or you have to engine it should just say against march 2017 week or is living abroad, tells me that some of their family members have been arrested books and they said
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that in some places on it to the residence of the entire neighborhood, even the entire municipalities. i'd be interested to look at. in fact, almost no one was left free activity because i'm not sure i don't believe until they get to listed all the other ones are to have this could be a so some of the apartments i'm a phone calls to. the city is of course, car, hold on, assume the does an emotional attachment to the phone clip because got what done us all over the phone. some incident john week is who receiving some national phone calls are immediately arrested. so to contact them. sure disguised his voice and the origin of his calls, the minimum was holding up. i asked my questions methodically for them and asked each of them who would be interested in this family or neighborhood. everyone knew at least one or 2 neighbors who disappeared. but so i concluded that the most of the most arrested on the front of the i then called one and municipalities city hall. and they told me they had orders to arrest 20 percent of the population. that
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zip was also orders had been given from us. the rest of the park ended that the one day he managed to talk to an efficient and solvents in general. though many professional training in the prefecture would you say, i'd say about a 120000 people to for the very 1st time, a chinese official, a confirmed mass incarceration is in john. short social was revelations, was seen by chinese authorities in retaliation by target to this family. memphis that ends in june, 1 of his brothers disappeared at another. as in 5 years, a forced labor was on a tight. it's a to give me the positive for the never stopped. there's direct over the sun, how much they've implied that all the harm they're doing to my family would stop. and then if i stopped investigating talked, i do they don't. i think our country's think i'm back of my family are in 20 on top
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out there with them in the item. my family won't be out of trouble until our nation is free. target is not middle up. not that they don't want to launch out that most of the short socials was just the start of the series of timing revelations for the chinese government. the face safety meeting with jim and research andrea and was held in a discreet location in the us, midwest. the discovery is by the sensor apologist. an expert on social policies have made him a pain if the chinese stupid out for months is ends on the signs of these mess in 10 minutes. in thousands of pages of official documents available on the internet
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and the discovery must us the money to change. that example kind of the problem is that it's impossible to carry out research in some jang she needs for. so my method is to look for data and statistics from the chinese government, from official budget documented to get the job listings, reports still come, publications, articles, and so forth. bible, what other patasha? a lot of upon what i do next is a bit like detective would work well, putting a puzzle together, an odd that a key fob i put on uh, pulls it up by the scattering official documents. jim's phone calls for attendance for the construction of what chinese authorities called professional training centers. but the required equipment to the research is attention distribution fixed. once you start most of the most important evidence showing that these are re education with hands 5 with those tools, the 10 designs which said on paper, we need
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a substitute facility for the re education quantity. most must have a camera system with no blind spots. it must be surrounded by high walls with barbed wire and have watched countless people send back to him if we need a special police station with um to our lease on the facility to put it side off season colonda as it is. if it was incredible to see all these details about security and surveillance, and for the government to describe them so directly, suzanne, dusty like you want to so awesome. dusted off around the lighting the data. i found the 2017 adrian's, and estimated to thousands of companies were being built mainly in brewer. they are using someone's in john, by his calculations, up to 1000000 people could be in time that this was immediately confirmed by another source in canada for students, a chinese defense managed to find the geographic code and it's a piece detention centers and locate them on satellite images like here in corsica,
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join alter secure, complex built in just a few months. the, you can clearly see a surrounding wall. estimated to be 10 meters high. 7 much tell us as in general, authorities built about 20 buildings that including 13, more than 5 stories high this comp could be able to hold up to 10000 to tell you these, the by the summer of 2018. thanks to the series of revelations. no one could be left on the way or if the terrible human rights violations in saint john, there was no doubt that the accounts exist in the united nations. somewhat determined to off china to account for the chinese
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delegation was expected of the u. n. z. repeating headquarters to present measures china plan to put in place to flight racial discrimination. the special report of the chinese representatives out right for an explanation of the repression of weakness ends in john in the name of combating religious extremism and maintaining its social stability. the state party has turn the weaker a ton las region into something that resembles a mass of internment camp. uh, that is uh, shrouded in secrecy. a sort of a no rights and so, and the members of the weaker minority along with others who are identified as muslims, are being treated as enemies of the state. they solely on their that's no
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religious identity. the suite, somebody about resorting paid g opposite to junction that one. the unsure of on one sample processor can guarantee. and so the font dodgy comb. good. your e g. the on to eat friendly is where you find the by a sign come volt funds. you don't infinity utility in the means of what's on your fargo. the chinese delegation thus deny the existence of re education comes with admitted to opening professional training centers the time to fight extremism through education and walk. the chinese authorities opposed what they called unbearable meddling and its internal affairs and manipulation by the enemies of the people's republic. the
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it was just the beginning because with this is also make themselves the chinese communist party. one said only good things to say about the coping to the city of chinese women. of course, back as nicety married to a we got killed enough to join the ease in her room. she. she was a model loyal agent member of the party. that's why it is in general authorities coming theater to teach clauses. and one of the centers, of course, the application to remain completely silent about what was going on that caused a move in a gift. because inclusive coping or your daughter is studying in the netherlands. they knew because we had to give them family updates every month. okay, to search, you must be especially careful. don't say anything about teaching there. not to your colleagues or your family. never forgets that until march the
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1st 2017. a police officer picked her up and drove her to the top of a hill overlooking the city, the capt. blue managed to. when i got out of the car, i was by an old blue gray, 4 story building. there was a wall going all the way around, some with barbed wire and metal gate soto to get into the courtyard. you had to go through 3 security gates portal. as soon as i went in, i was trying to talk to, i'm gonna put up there were heavily armed soldiers in the courtyard, and that'd be that i immediately felt depressed. the i think you marsh advocate is as much as a police officer took me to what he said was the office for employees. there were 5 young weaker women there. one told me that they would call the students and i could follow them. then they shouted classes starting and chinese just pushed out the way to the doors opened and the students started coming out and the roof keep up the
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so that's when you're washed over me. i started shaking. i was terrified to come to school. they had chains on their hands and feet. they came out like that. so that was up when i saw them. i wasn't shocked me. i couldn't come down anymore. so you have to get on the phone with them. i can't get them. there were $97.00 that option and all were numbered orange bags. it was forbidden to use their names are not crippled. when i worked in, i automatically said i still on my legal with legacy, but everyone have their hands as low as possible. there were whispers and the 7 women at the back started sleeping. lovely gift. did you have that in the count at 1st we taught them chinese, but later on we were ordered to teach them red stones, for example,
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about how without the communist party there wouldn't be a new china. we have to fill their brains with these other non solutions. the significant really intended to teach these people. if they'd let them leave in the evening, there'd be no reason to train their hands and feet and torture. the oldest people did nothing wrong with their only so called crime of the will to set the week or we will go on over to the for a yeah. calvin. oh, i'm willing to continue the mission the or thought you just given us in october 2019 the policy kind of permission to go to the netherlands to visit her daughter. she requested political a sign up distraught by what she had seen. kilbane, who was one of the 1st to bear witness to the weakest fate. the
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incident john, a few phone reports, is out small to police surveillance and managed to sneak some footage, falsified enclosures for the fault. why are much talents, surveillance cameras? these images corroborated while adrian's and said uncovered inefficient documents use us nice images, show the proliferation of companies throughout the region. in 2020 australian were such as identified the 380 new ones. according to adrian's, and that might be 13 to 1400 of them and tell me the during construction jobs inside to work has posted a few images from inside these buildings. that the chinese co professional training centers some of these videos to skype. the notice of chinese census,
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they don't show classrooms throughout the cells. and torture chambers says the could have the stuff to fit himself, but it doesn't seem fact. my heart started racing up. it says i'm thinking in there means the punishment would be very severe. going to definitely try to make his confess this thing was he was so looking at it all for that, one of the used to truly barberic domestic. we up the restrain you and hung you from. the wall is up at some bearable. they hit you with wooden rubber buttons and even you stung gums. lane is in humans should laugh at us when you're tortured light. that's you screamed dad. mom. save me when the product gets to the bottom of the foam. yeah, the torture last it's 7 months and 10 days the before the rest,
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like many when he goes, i say lifting the neighboring cousins in spring 2017. he went as in john to attend the training show that he was arrested and then turned in a come, you'll start to not know accused him of having separate test ideas. now refugee and then evidence. he's re united with his family. but he remembers when he went through all too vividly. so i'll get them to show tom woke up, but i suppose from the minute 6 30 am we stood facing the wall for the raising of the chinese flag. and the calls of detainees were orange uniforms. like the prisoners and the one turned them on pay from the entry we were in chains. and as we were forced to sing read sounds real. sure. such another, but some do the same one or 2 scenes. they didn't give us any food at the but it was given us prison leslie up mostly from
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a bit of may since i refuse to learn the national, i'm from or sing, read songs of stuff is enough. it was given for different punishments. that's a local agent. now and what should that typically does our shoulder on the 1st floor space between the buttons and then forced to face the wall for 24 hours to go up with nothing to eat or drink. so somebody shouldn't be the middle, but she kept it as a 2nd. the punishment was being restrained and the tiger turner in the water puddled on the issue of the winter, tired from painting the pillow. sort of the began without any food or water or any of them to search for your expression better later. but without them i show them a stringent as a 3rd, as being half a dozen locked and a cell that's 3 square meters sold on this. as i do it without food or water, send me a draft in line. the concrete ship that the the
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dungeons as a force punishment of your major stands naked except for your under pounds in the snow or a cold for 24 hours. it didn't matter if you were shivering or freezing and if it was summer i was going to have to stay in the sun and make it up to fill up the the the, the sure color was this is going to make you abandon your ethnicity, your religious belief system to brainwash you the torture you psychologically little. he but some of the humiliating or the play, the heart of like the man was your salvation to diplomats in kazakhstan, when he had become a citizen of the torturing humiliations. he describes the definition of
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brainwashing a method that can be traced back to 19 fifties. china, the cost of the gentleman squared mastic are in 1999. a former executive decided to leave the policy and take refuge in the us. where he now teaches political science . cl mean says chinese, lead us methodically using old communist technique and john civil and so when you rein washing is an expression of chinese origin, which means beating the brain and watching it. and i said, i guess originally this was done by force. think often starting with food deprivation wants to paint because they said that hunger could destroy a man's wheel. can't see when you go to the brain. washing has been practiced regularly by the chinese communist parties. and what seems to change the power lines at a 100 homes with us. so you know way that's what makes the chinese people vehicle
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with and a baby. and if i'm in chrome g a. so we lie here and go for the home. hung isn't the only weapon come got to use to subjugate the population. the caught them make it more look at that they brought a cleric and said he wasn't a mom, but we couldn't verify that. he advised us to stop believing in our religion that there was no god other than she's in pain and that only the communist party could save us probably a send them to some idea of what an i was no threat. however, chinese authorities disapproved too frequent trips to cause ex dawn and saw her face in islam a success if she was subjected to 11 months of re education. when she thought that the god shaped her head and made her aware uniform, she knew from the beginning the sheep go through now
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the toilet. you them the out of the cars that i said, i believe the police officers came to get me. i was with another girl. i remember there was a man and clean clothes with them. cook got them, but you were a black suit supplied glasses and a surgical mask because they neck my couple of them cause they can. eva took his glasses off, but i couldn't see a space under the mask. came on the palm, then a man in uniform came in no thought, but very directly. he said in a couple of the machine was messed up to my you said take your clothes on the baby . i thought, why does he say that? are they going to hit me again?
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i asked my dad and strolled up in a ball. i'm to know columbus. i'm within the trap and they are still on the drop me the much. any risk by close? ours cut up. kept the run around. if i didn't have the strength to protect this job, push, push the number that they're going to come up today, broke me up with another guard came along escalade. well, 2 of them held me. i fainted and fell down r i said ocean, which i don't know what those 3 did to mean. i thanks to her cause like husband to us and i was released. but she remained severely affected before leaving the camp. she had to promise she can never speak
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of what happened but the whole so brave citizens in china disapprove of the tournament. the policy of subjecting link is to an autumn 2019 winds in john was still cuts off by $0.20 a ship, an anonymous sauce sent the new york times fights and information. it was a 400 pages of internal chinese communist party documents that contained many official investigations and directives, reports on surveillance and controls the week population statements by high ranking communists. and lastly, 96 pages of speeches made by president changing, paying himself in these one can read the official orders he gave during his visit us in gen 4 years earlier. these links in gen papers, confirmed theme to mentation of
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a foster system of detention comes decided by the highest levels of the communist hierarchy. and these internal government documents with the chinese president while addressing reasonable authorities compared to religious extremism, to a virus, to an evil truck. changing pain stated that the fight against the scotch, which requires all combine for treatment. and the chinese communist policy, which has to use all the tools of dictatorship to have a comment. coming from the mouth of the chinese president admins, extreme actions are authorized, even touched, the local authorities to show absolutely no massey in chinese leaders mines. it's about treating people with evil, a radical stones approved by many intellectuals function bingley. a university
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professor and government advisor. and so what's the chromebooks are spindle? if we compare terrorism to a virus, we have to find out who's carrying the volume or tongue. we're not going to kill them, but warranting that requests they must be given free treatment. so they can recover quickly say, what if it's an ideological virus, it's harder to know who is infected and what does one do then on that you might get sent to a certain place for a while, where you will be given an ideological training alongside to job training to the in the what the the, to track down those with this idea logical virus. the policy put the populations in terms of the surveillance in china. the policy is always and he is everywhere in every district, neighbor, factory and building the consumer. even more than else by the dictatorship is
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deployed its most powerful tools. so quote, small cameras, facial recognition, biometrics, digital spine. since the launch of the repression campaign in 2014 the population of this chinese farm west that's becoming the most monitored in the well one of the things, the chinese state talks about in terms of particularly surveillance programming. but really is the same thing about the re education program. is they called preventative policing? the idea that this person is not yet an extremist. they're not yet a terrace, but we can see that they might become one. so we need to act that states surveillance in change on is pervasive, but maybe it's easier to think about it in sort of
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a 3 dimensional everyday sense. imagine, for example, a q r code has been placed outside your front door so that authorities can stop by and scan that code to see if it is registered to live there and then knock on the door and see if the right people are there. or maybe the wrong people are there and leave your house in the morning to take your children to school and to go to the shops. you have to pass through a check point until you have to swipe your id card and to go through those. so that the authorities can know what trajectory you followed and all the while. remember, if you're outside your video surveillance cameras tracking you, we know that the authorities will track people if they turn their phones off. so going off the grid is problematic to everyone's a suspect every way, all the time under the pretext of fighting terrorism,
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the policy of criminalized all sorts of behavior ends in german, local leaders drew up a list of 75 signs of radicalization. top of the list, advocating the succession to sit in june. and the creation of an islamic state to be stuck is done. but of much more mundane behaviors as seen as warning signs, such as something me quitting drinking or smoking. boy colton. cultural sporting events or closing, you'll restaurant during ramadan. this least gives law enforcement a lot of room for interpretation. and i think the parties have been government. some goal is to make clear to all rigorous across and young, that there are red lines. and the penalty for crossing that used to be detained for months at a time,
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and now possibly prosecuted. and given her sentences it produces precisely one of the effects. i think that the authorities are hoping to achieve, which is scaring people into here, totals mission the despite the awesomeness of payments in saint john, never mind the blind spot to which the communist party have no access families. private knives, the pots, you have no idea. the because i'm chinese and we just don't necessarily get them all they would need to be forced to get to know each of the chinese leaders organized, estimate community we the once a month we confirmed these get to visit from an chinese person who stays with them
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. for a few days, video shared on social media. everyone looks very happy at the but in reality, these frank, chinese friends are also that to junk family members loyalty to the policy. it was very clear that it also was for surveillance purposes to see who was living at home . wasn't there? how religious were they? did the children speak training is rigor your all of this data gets recorded and can you imagine having officials from the ruling party in your country, move in your house and instead of your dinner table and sleeping your bed with you on invited, particularly in
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a culture that is still reasonably conservative or so with a high tech surveillance styles. don't worry, the party is there to make sure that they're keeping an eye on you, even in low tech ways to the since 2016. the communist party has sent more than 1000000, consisting john holmes holmes, with no remaining signs of weaker culture. the . this is the communist policies, big project, erase the weaker identity to fetch and replace it the today. joining there was the main trading volunteer of a $130.00 countries, including 10 in the economically inescapable china seems to enjoy something close to impunity. except for the sanction attempts by a few major democratic countries,
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