to lisa courting at the other, 55 may or may not be in the let's remember that all of this when you are they ask you a question. the bullying is asking you a question. you know that your potential know that i'm not supporting the special miller transportation can lead to a ras can lead to administrative, administrative punishment, and so on and so forth. so you really have to be quite a quite courageous, but also in actually tell the story elsewhere it's, it's a silent majority and that's what i mean by silent majorities that you go into the bookstore. there's old is buried petri arctic books of how great russia is. and you know what not, and then of the middle of the, this incredible display of pictures and you'll have a george orwell mark sitting right in the middle of it and says the and the level of good bread, the thing that it said that she and this month, so i buy this month because i'm thinking how, what incredible thing and then i come back a few days later and then there's another george orwell. mark. so somebody took just a random month. that was put, there was, it was for, there is a message,

i mean, you can see yellow and white arrangements all over and all over must go somewhere. i mean, band, not necessarily you would know who makes them but, but they are there, you know, the flow is that range this way or the color is the range this way some somehow. so it's, it's all there. but as i said, i mean i, i left 1st in january and in january they moved was north militaristic, the war was elsewhere. i mean there was still life going on. now the billboards, the, the anger and that we're not winning, we're not losing our life. it's completely finished, essentially the way it was. so we might as well, we do have to riley around the flag. and then they said, i mean that anger, the really, the stories absolutely ratcheting up judge because the message is, if you're not with us, you're going to be defeated. country. do you one bad? and many, many more russians. no more than more russians like, well actually no, because we don't know what it is to be defeated the country. maybe it is scary.

maybe we have to it least pretend that was supported. so, i mean, you've, you've talked about how this war has strengthened the ukrainian identity. what does happen to russian identity? it's gonna, it's, i mean, that's kind of nationalistic formula when put and says, well, the whole country supports it. well, no, i mean the 1000000 and a half with you slept. i mean, my, i, i write this an articles and every, and the people want evidence and they, what was correct music? well, 500000. so because if you could, if you put together all the countries that received thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of russians, probably a 1000000 and a half. and i'm actually being very modest here left to clearly not that mean it's a, it's a over one percent, almost 2 percent of the russian population. so not everybody's support and it's completely front van to they done it to people that people, that every where a position is fighting them in that position because stayed deposition left a. they are fighting in monks amongst each other and also rush. she's now

incredibly divided. i mean, pushing did more division to rush of and donald trump ever managed to do in the united states because it's this kind of the khaki color, the military fatigues identity, which is required, the requested. and then the other one is now the russian school, which is the person in a white coat. so you know about their frail and, and saying, you know, we, we are above all this. so it's, it's dispersed and identity truck men today the entity but some require extreme national as and some just say we have to survive. i'd like to ask you to weigh in on these reports of a so called re awakening of totalitarian instincts right now in russian society with people informing on each other. like in the solid era, the opposition, as we've mentioned, silence jail in exile. what sort of russian society do think emerges from this war? i it's, it's a, i mean we, we goes advice. i mean, i know with every time we say we cry every day and i'm told, well, you know,

ukrainians also crying. um, okay, i am actually not a fan of collective punishment, so we're allowed to cry to uh, as russians and it's, you know, it is lost it's, it's going to go so cleansing and be a cool part. and how dare you malign, rushing any possible way. divisions for decades to come. so i mean it, it really is something that it's not just they, we awakening of totalitarian is because pituitary and there's even early, it's a totally tears. what would the formulas of that to tell the periods was still formulas that suggested that even with drastic measure, we're moving forward. we're moving towards something that may make a better where russia is moving. now, it really just told us formulas of the 13th century closed. 2 in p a soon to be imperial power, as it was in the 13th century. now it is,

we want to go back to being an imperial power. so i cannot envision that the only thing that keeps saying is that george orwell, in 1994 has really russia is, is, is such. now the george always hasn't invented that you couldn't have invented what's going on a joint your 2022 with the, with an absolute accordable consequences of this war. how do you think society of russian society eventually will move past the hers committed in ukraine? the, the, the allegations of war crimes, including force deportation of children rapes torture. do you hope that the change will happen and happen any time soon? i don't know. i really don't know because i don't know how houses, how societies get over the war crimes. i mean, you know, we have an example of germany, but it's a rare example. it's actually, it's more of an exception and that it is the rules. so i really don't know. and

what. c it's why i think that when i talk about the anger that is rising up, it's exactly that is that well, since they are going to eliminate us, we're going to get angry, more nationalistic, and that's what i think putting this, relying on how it's going to it depends on what the opposition leader deposition leaders come back with, depends on who, how the more relaxed and it depends on who will replace put in, because eventually it will happen. he's 70 year old man. it all depends on so many things a donor to bump. so the, on the separate, your late secretary of defense center, george w bush was saying so many unknown unknowns that i really cannot speculate on that there are some that are saying that the war may, may last well into next year if, if not longer, this put and have another year is, is time on his side in this for a little it's a in, in a war of attrition. yes. the time on he said, as i said, i actually think that the longer goes the, the less questions he would have to answer if it's not a complete loss,

if it's more the complete, you know, they running out of old i munition altogether is pretty bush and as big version kept, kept saying, kept, kept suggesting, i actually, the beginning of this would probably, even on that program. i said that it's, you know, it's in you, again, it's done. it's going to last for a long time. i don't see the victory in it. i mean, once again, many unknown unknowns, i don't see victory of it. so it's going to be a long war of attrition until until it can no longer continue. so i would even imagine it goes into next year in maybe some random somebody or maybe a full scale of it, even for the infer that i really don't think we. we can though. i mean, they've been at the beginning, it was only 2 weeks and then until january this year and that until the spring and then until the summer keeps going on. and so far, rush street is not winning is the way once and you crate is not,

is not losing enough to really want to do something else. and so it's a mexican standoff. essentially, it's a horrible, horrible mexican stand up with many, many thousands of people dying all the time. your great grandfather took power in, in russia after stolen died. and then he left office and what was a peaceful transfer of power at the time. it was certainly not a foregone conclusion that that would happen at that at that time. how do you think fruitless presidency might eventually end for so many unknown unknowns? um, i don't know. i mean, what is, depends on the war. it depends on how long the russians which, which, whether the anger of the russian society is sort of this whole of the khaki. katya kala petri it isn't khaki colored identity when over are those who say well, we want to rush it to be global with on when that some of the fund slattich state that is slowly turning into into north korea? no, it's not a given actually. yeah it's,

it's more of course you've been garbage in for more essentially flukes and in, in russian history. then the, then the reality, i think, i mean traditionally possibly of to put in they would be some sort of a reform, but it's sort of given. i mean, it could be, for example, you ask about the military bloggers and that isn't free goshen. it could be a military coal, i mean, i know russian that perhaps you see of military coups but all can happen. it could be that kind of a revolution when the, the, the hard like the just the hard line is. but there's really, very militant forces will come to power and say, well, they're not taking us into the 13th century, imperial crimes you refresh than that. that's where we want to be. so it could be a revolution from the right. it could be, i don't see a revolution from, from the forces from what kind of liberal fort actually does that. right. and anyway, i don't see a revolution from the liberal forces. i can, i potentially see a revolution from the crowd liners and military military forces. but this is,

i want to get many unknown unknowns here possibly, but probably not. soon enough. in september alexi devonte warned a postwar of russia like post fruits and russia will be doomed to become belligerent and putting this again. only a parliamentary republic can prevent this. how high are your hopes that russia can eventually move beyond putting and putting isn't uh, not high, nor high. and why should try but way, parliamentary republic and same yeltsin had some sort of an idea about this by you see all send in that it didn't work out any way. because the article of power that talked about the power from the kremlin, that personalized presidency as it is a fortune, that's where everybody depends on him and their decisions. even if that he's not giving direct orders to everybody is pretty much aware, pretty much of a soviet system and type of cruise ship came and it was a collective government and very soon it was christian talk. so this is

a personalized craving power at all times, so i don't have very high hopes for a better development of to put in is we have to leave it there and in a cluster over. thank you so much for joining us on conference and thank you for your time. thank you. the,

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