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also coming up on the program. what's football with all the friends as african teams make history of the women's world cup by j and in the diaspora are proud lead sharing the balkans on the fly all the way to the trophy the i i'm eddie mike, a junior and you welcome to the program, another democracy falls in west africa. these as president and well, how many buses, whom had been a beacon of hope in a region, the mob by military take all this in a piece for the washington post. he wrote that he's quote, it hostage about zoom. that's on the fire is the power of the ballots books. the end of the cycle, of course, the one k majorities in both rounds of the 2021 presidential election. that was new jazz, fast, peaceful which sessional task after his predecessor,

how about the social step down, respecting the constitutional to time limits on the presidency. but as soon as victory was in jeopardy given before he took office for any gates. so just that stage that attempted to just 2 days before his integration by the presidential, god intervenes. now the ministry says the recent cool was necessary due to insecurity, economic challenges and government corruption from the compet. so when you hear me, i spoke to ty, he will got caught it, close political ally of president of mohammed by zoom. and he's strongly reject that. those claims. try to compile a country to a, to the level of the country like maggie and the book and 5. so you see the government of our country is do what as far as is a flight, it goes as far as in echo on the end of the sort. and this was the issue.

so all they say is wrong. this school is about a pass on the left and say is just a little vision of what a man who want to be president. that's it. is that, that this has nothing to do with our economic condition or disagree deal of this country. would you be prepared to work with the cooley this if the problem is to restore democracy to way, why would i be the time for collision? what was, what we need is what expect our people see who the president every time elective breath. busy he got 5 years amended or 5 years left to him. this is mandy . so if he is not doing well, you know, it's our people to look at. let me give you

a little that is. but if we, if we have some issues, i don't know, 60, for example. i have never seen a government, a government who is not criticized by his own position. but this doesn't matter about that. this is that's nearby lead to equity . the well, i will do that in last week. do you see any realistic chance of new jack returning to demo across the, based on what's going on so far? yes. yes, yes, i do because i really just saw. yeah. the model of the media to love this kind of to be like we do so it's the point you. busy people might do about their plastic us. oh oh,

this of what these later on and try to live was it? and there is that the prison made by them on the office in the office and we have more than 20 meal of us. you know? so we cannot follow one guy to his voice. i vision persona and put this country in deserts. and this is people. okay, so here we've got uh amy address carpet. tony ami, thanks for your time. thank you for having me as well. and these are, is the latest country in africa. so how to see its government about their own regional bodies liked economic community of west african states. echo us on the african union. a you faced the challenge in task of trying to restore and strengthen democracy, that new jersey state is one of the few democracies in the western so hell appears

to be going up in smoke. the african nation adds its name to a list of countries in the region that have witnessed who is in recent years. do need air joins neighboring molly, which so the military stage, a mutiny in 2020 in 2021. a 2nd crew took place there that same year guinea, untried, also witness their leaders being overthrown. in burkina faso, there were 2 codes in 2022. the instability caused in large part by militant islam is groups has caused a particular concern to democracies across the region and especially to those in the block of countries that form part of the economic community of west african states or eco us encouraged by africa is most populated

country nigeria eco west also serves as a peacekeeping force during times of political instability and during the rest member states send joint military forces to intervene. but the most poking tool in the eco last arsenal is its ability to suspend member states from its economic grouping. molly guinea, burkina, faso, and denying the share of all being suspended following codes is new jersey on town has been given an ultimatum by ego west too. richard is threatened to the possible use of force. there are fears that any military intervention in these here by equal was if you could just send into a full scale war in the region, with molly and 14 or 5. so both warning they would defend their fellow qu, leaders, the store, and the effectiveness of an eco s force has been questioned by experts who say

adequate funding is required if it were to have a chance of succeeding. plus it could lead to a worsening of an already dire humanitarian crisis in the region from on this that's bringing the company's kamara. she's a former minister of foreign affairs in body and a senior advice off of africa, of the us institute of peace. hello and welcome to the program either. now you are proud to be democratic and the elected government. in molly, how does it feel to see your country and its neighbors in the grip of military doing test? it is very distress needs to see an entire region such an important region to a politically important to the entire world fall into the hands of miller treatment as historically, specifically malicious in terms of never be able to deliver the basic public services that citizens demand in this region and i'm talking about education and talking about health. i'm talking about economic progress. so it's really hard to

see a bright future for us such an important region where a use biology is currently at play, where you is going to be playing a huge role in the future. are we going to have the right communication platform for now? i'll be going to have to write search for them to flourish as adults. and that is the main question that i'm asking myself today. so many uncertainties that when we send to you, has there been a number of cruelty tasks in the west african states of my lead as mundane able to not 5 so and now these that is the new appetite for democracy. what really is driving the schools as i think we can uh, mistake this cause for a lack of appetite for democracy. these military crews are to be undertaken by a small number of military meters,

who have personal motivations. sometimes to conduct those cues and are really playing on general sentiments of the population against democratically elected president is to insert themselves in the political real. i don't think that this is a lot of appetite for democracy. i think it's about military rulers not being totally understanding of their roles as a guarantor, as of this, the ability of the other countries and basically use the different properties to, to enter the, the political effort and take away power from uh, from, from their citizens. but you did talk about some of the sentiments of that, so let's talk about some of them. it is interesting to know that all these countries for my calling these of friends. and that's been key. yeah. you know, people clearly people talking about having issues with friends,

is there any connection that can be made that i honestly i think it's, it's the wrong the wrong excuse. i think maybe democracy hasn't been explained correctly or hasn't been a cd long enough in our culture. but in any country and in any democratically elected regime, there are frustrations of populations. they're not always happy with what governments are doing. maybe there needs to be more in terms of communication towards citizen and letting them know that some of the progress that they're expecting do not happen overnight. lots of other regions this i how has become the frontline in the fights against many times as long as groups what impacts cold, the recent spate of cruise, haha, and security in the region. i'm only going to be able to, to talk about about research about how this did you haven't had it will after for

me, because i've taken power the g. heidi threats have actually worse and after each of these guys have taken over, so he's not a guarantee that when you have military leaders at the head of a country, then they are able to defeat an entire service. right? i think one country it could be more keen that it could be here cannot come uh, put an end to discharging thread. it's a huge undertaking that can only be done through both of our role is that i'm an international coalition. okay, so let's talk about regional axis. in the case of these a regional body echo as has threatened the use of military force to return the country to democracy, is not the best way to handle clues as well. um you have to look at the vehicle wise uh over the past 23 years and the wind up reacted to the different

cruise, the mounting book, you know, and he and the vehicle has been criticized internationally for not be too assertive, i guess cruise and for sending the ground for further cruise from half the jeep to happen. and so what we're seeing now is really nigeria taking the lead within the eco box and saying, no, this is a clue that is been, is your cruise beyond the pale? we're not gonna let that happen and we're really making a strong statement against cuz so i will not go as far as to see if that vehicle was was effective. i'm dealing with cruise, but i am rather pleasantly surprised by how strong of a statement equal was made in the case of this year. so if not through military intervention, is that a way of bringing these countries back to democracy?

well the american association is, is definitely one of them. um, but also also again, it's also a one big issue that i think is what have these countries to gain from, from democracy, from a democratically elected government? i think we, we need and i, i'm putting myself in the we, there of applicants. we need to be very clear about what we're expecting from, from democracy in our countries. and we're, we need to be able to explain that to us citizens and only then it can be the brand democracy, you know, countries and bring it back. as i use somehow suggesting that african countries need to fall on a type of democracy that fits them. i've always believed that democracy as it is practiced in the west, is difficult to apply in west africa because of

a culture because of history are we have completely different cultures, completely different histories. and so we have to develop our own type of democracy that would work in the current international order. how would that look like if you've thought about it? i have no idea what that would look like, but 8 certainly. we need a citizen to think about it. we have civil societies in our countries that's fairly think about thought about, but i think it's a long term endeavor. and this piece of military coups in west africa is really a testament to that. okay, click on this before you go, what needs to be done to prevent cruise from happening in the 1st place? i mean, that's the 1000000 dollar question. there, there was, there was so much, i think, just listening to the initial declaration of

a who maker is going to give you an idea of what the thing is going to appeal to citizens and international partners. it's security. they often mention local governments. the often mentioned corruption as one of the arguments for them over to when we a government and that's the justification enough for them to be there. so maybe we need to start there. okay. companies like i'm a senior adviser for africa. how the us institute of peace, thank you very much for your time. i thank you. all for african countries set out to a stray out in new zealand where the dream of lifting the trophy and the fee for women's world cup was on the uh that of hope. and that would honest in the group stage. but africa has remaining representation in the tournament shines on. for the very 1st time, 3 african teams, i progressed to the knockout phase of the competition. that is nigeria,

so that africa will roku will soon assess the chances and the overall performance in the competition before that, that's look at how the world cup has created the perfect opportunity for nigerians in the diaspora. to connect with a woman's team. my julian support is in melbourne all save during the women's world cup and the chon split stephen vig community to reconnect. we don't usually have things like this where we are represented. we usually just support australia or in different sports that they, they do. but kind of having it in such close proximity, it's definitely boosted a lot of people's feeling of connection to the liquid. they root of the plates of jello royce, full season they can see from the barbecue. the funds of these restaurants have found a new source of shed pride. the people look, i stuck and if there's a way, now it's all about the e mail to me, it is of all like the game and this is the question. so we just enjoy wasn't stuck

out so it doesn't matter. always way the both men and women, we just looked at your team or you're not just support and it certainly doesn't hurt the super power to just have to do so well. but with these power extends far beyond the boundaries, but also what you can is i want my kids to play as well. i would love to see my kid doing something like this. and i think it's definitely boosted the community in being able to show pride and even other people having stuff like this. it's connected us a lot more. and with that team showing no signs of slowing down. there could be tend to more in store for not julia friends at this woke but let's talk more football with julia b. y and award winning sports dental is covering the wealth cap. she joins us now from bridge bay in australia. hello julia. so us we just saw in the report neither of funds are ex, back take and they have all the reasons to be don't day absolutely that i think um

they do. i mean, how has the jenny bean from nigeria obviously the most successful african team in the competition? and proving that by go into the knock out face or i think i'm going, there's like you mentioned going past the group stage or from annual cup is a dream full of many. and only if you get to do do that. so it definitely must be. i'm a social 5 for these funds, like you mentioned, you can't blame them. my. this was also a team that, that after the physical game is charles like it was going south and everyone was in really happy with their for 4 months old. although they do again, so i'm kind of a and all the wishes and those are the front of these was going to lose them. but a different story would be told in the too much is that i'm flawed here in the

basement. and definitely the funds to these of every bit of what is happening between looks very complex. they look very strongly, very professional team and when you see them in treatment and as well, um they look very relax. you might one of these things. sometimes when you see them in training the asking as well, i do believe that it will come, but that is what it matches the big stage they show up and they make it come. definitely made account spend as south africa, making histories by qualifying also to the knockout phase, does not come as a surprise as well. for me, most i to no matter how you look at the time they've been knocking, but this very door for some time now when it comes to limits for building off because some countries always show up. i'm to be content and buying and not buying . and i one of those on the stage like best they wouldn't want to be left out till the potty and they came good when a mater it is um, a punch proving for them because prior to this stage you wouldn't have given them a chance and it's also good to see how they tend the scripts in your favor. it's

a huge winful them the team and the country and everybody who is part of this. um, historic um victory for them. by end of end up, we saw how normally they left a 2nd game in that stage goal. but they have to get your heads together in that the game defaults like worry us, big collectively as a team and trust me to very talented group and also spearheaded by those reality who has been attempting for women's football. god knows, hold on for more than a decade and she made sure that this team will get to the next stage of the competition against all. and then they have also talking about a team, making it against all odds is more real cool. making the view, how impressive was that? it's, it's, it's safe to say, but at this point it is all to play for. and um,

well, it may come again as a surprise too many for those who up um, followed this american team, this wouldn't come as a surprise to them. i told this is a very a team that they will structure team and very compact team as well. if i should put it, that has meant to be a way the way through this to what i meant and even i'm proud to the tournament. it's the foot of um, it will instruct it, sort of them back home that authorities have put in the wake and we saw a glimpse of what they did the amend national team. did other comfortable cap and now the yeah, yeah, the, the felt okay if the men can do it, why not asked? and so as historic in every sense and become all the way, should they show the same level of our question, it will be stuck in the line. just think of p t should be make it past the next state. that is the run of 6. then there will be um,

that will be some story um 2 chairs and 2 chairs full. yes. and because they put in so much work. i mean the last 10 years have been built in the national teams across the board. so when you mentioned work on, not clearly it comes down to good for boy, it comes down to infrastructure. it comes down to wells, structure teams will drop in teams. last until john's, when it comes to the government and the government side. so i think um, they've done great their 1st game i was um, it's also affordable because i feel that they've worked with all the way to the top . and then this happened, but they didn't lose hope the i had to wins out of to, i mean, i hope that you have too many why i'm sick. i'm in the well, trust me. they've done amazing. amazing. they've been beyond amazing at this point . i would, i agree with that. unfortunately some of the, the out of the competition also making got to do in the walk about what can we take from the performance as well. i time regret familiar um,

but they did put in the best. um, it just wasn't enough and i think it came a bit too late. would that interest that they had to do a 1st choice? bulky by and also i'm grace on that as well. who was a new engine in the mitchell for them. but one of the most important aspects of these, um tournaments, especially for the day be tons, is how you get to experience what it's like to play at this level and take home. what you can also try to come back. that's i. so i'm there, you know, most i'm lessons from this tournament for them, but they can learn from and i'm confident that they should get it just to get another opportunity. i'm sure they will do better. i do make accounts. we saw barbara bundle score enough 1000 um cousins um go and which was also a rough quote for them in some way. get them um like a punch in victory for them as well. so i think um, when they get opportunity to again, they will come good, anybody's walk up quickly on this before i let you go, julia to which remaining for coincide has what it takes to lift that go for you.

got to choose why and do that. well it's going to be, it's going to be so very, very, very, very, it's very safe to say. but at this point, like i said, it will to plan for i would rather enjoy the football and hope that at least one dash there. and there's a ranging um for this dream that will be me just call, but i'm, if us talk either stay just top. but if you're going though with it the very the right mentality is you're going there to 4 to 5 for your country. and what does that take because a big state and 2 months ago, and that is what we see in the large. so from super falcons, we're seeing a bit of glimpses from i'm band and band as well. so why not do you have to continue to dream? you never know what might come up. okay, so any time without available spots down as thank you very much. thank you too bye

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