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bo abraham 6 ounces to such questions. these astute, denise borne bridges. billionaire for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards those who try to sol, so see ever lose faith in africa. the feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says this 5 governance for why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the roles of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come pick some. thanks dave. us,

you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in sudan, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you? is the very best at standard work. and i wouldn't be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this, fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial resources. it's still a blessed story. and this is story of for just a minute to the course is essentially old story. unfortunately, and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides to respect humanitarian principles,

that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can somehow, when this don't, they cannot be a we're not here. they cannot be a will not only lose us ever this find is losing a new so that these people are losing. the little frustrated we have is being destroyed, detective easy, is it a mess? and most of it is of buying the sold? yes. it's, it is, it is very said, do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of 54 guns according to the index in the last over the last 10 years. you know, we produce an index so much of governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in

a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shows your sense of responsibility for this. we okay, this the funding governor, governor to z d. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them of course, is human rice delivery about submission, etc. i don't know about digital corner me then easy human developments and those rules security and the picture. the bishop is really mix. yes. to course,

over the last 10 years, african made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational, based on hand, but non secured, no security ever heard of little is going down. and actually why, why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a or it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend an effective as like climate change with you end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up it's or ethnic conflicts that happened in the for i didn't have a claimant on legitimate, but she is then using the dish just to sort out the problem that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is,

it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across our african protect it sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think the young young people are looking at what's happening and custom weatherstone. banners. so that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organization on how it is not enough for him to have an army. he committed to the support forces and called him him id, you know, understand the for him, it is my board section and the add the collision center just have the

army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff, which is just kind of just quotes. so to use him to see kids who grew up on the he's or go to the guys were dying is a city to for the most a. this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they will not accept a tylen need. they will not accept the death of ships and the width of just the need for 3. it is now green solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i, can you say that you say that the box, one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics, according to afro barometer report last month, that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after

a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority, there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them, at least it is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have, as we're going to abusing fall off his power and then trying to j was the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position i'm fed and a guy who was the democrat before getting power. then power gets to his head and now being def data. when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say, oh, as one, definitely go to the for him. so down know 3, this important competitor. cool. yeah. happy to get rid of the really

a corner of civilian who really up using is a cause issue. shouldn't end up losing his body if uh yeah, if they can get rid of something. but then, but then the problem is you are, you are replacing the south around was a different, i mean that, that is, that it doesn't look like that. that's why i, i, us be, will need to live that there is also a loss to, to seek z for of the bad z that it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that instead of ending up, man, i suppose you committed to the quote again, is that somebody effort to decide what's the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work with only in africa. our guys in africa lou cut out i do see or just fling minutes telling me all over the place. you know

and, and we have something that steps will have the key labs and i sure will have china web philippines. what, how many strong men are then? we see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. what about this? i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are all the about and why i cannot be like to order the again, why cannot be like this is a painful, strong man, unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is what i'm african phenomena. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of the sustain concussions done at the moment, one to violence, according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. go back in 2010. the new york times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa have moved from soldier verse

a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic as fight. as he said, what bevels with the cause, stabled predators, and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still it is. it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries or plastic. i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished um doc, that was cool. you know the disease at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some living ethnic. we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this then that gave us an extra division question. i mean, i know it is, is today is to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa. why do we need it? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect you on the board?

who is it in the applicant category? so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any, was the between african countries. i don't recall any why you need the arms who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that and yeah, i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think we need it, it is all nice and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the cabinet that, i mean, what's his last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside 2000 was an internal affair. they said, and the student needs armed forces. so of course of launched attacks, and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital, as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but that's not the government. that's not,

that's not the shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have the address is people just took it by paula by guns. dad looking lifted that no to drive, look at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general. those on the f. i never fails, act announcing this while the african states to that's applique on union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes they do? what is the problem? is the applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time in which at this time the force of the ethic i do any i can be finite and should be on, then it is able to go on deals or those agreement as of categories and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't been, hasn't godaddy has plenty of good attentions, doesn't to, doesn't realize all the motor power. what happens assignments with guns by one and t 20. yes. what happens? what, what about the sort of the counselors?

so get the plastic, i need to double check with you guys what it is, including accounts. i think a lot of people forgotten about the square. 2 cars is defined by the veto is of the 5 comes, i guess, is for head lice with the whole bubbly or the, is in a mess. the whole public, the whole, or the whole world of this. you know, all these global instructions. i miss you quoted accounts, it is important. cannot do anything. yeah for can you help me because this doesn't have the means to accept it. they've had all the extra bliss. i think he's more of the wage which a pretty to come to kind of even but, and so we're not seeing much of that. that's where i saw it on the side of this. is that did it and finish incidentally, did. we have the confidence 2 weeks ago, i had most of our keywords on the old guys in the conference and it was clear what the stand ones you want to do. at that. if it's your village, come sit down. no, don't see what i can look. even, but it's on obedient and what's going on for them shift for you have access all

over the come to do you, have you talk to either the generals that are causing this contract and so down at the moment i know i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation, i believe was those guys have given us the should end up in take will they of i to i hold. ready i hope so. what's the, what's the chance it was one day it would come one day look. but she ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what but, but she industry, nobody can touch him. he was in prison. so it happened to cool what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. i o. projected to those that came through blaze eyes as he was an advocate court. so i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again,

you look at the way that quote was good you too, which is which is cannot. it cannot. but it's cute but is it is yes, i gave one cells and the other 2 for me. exactly. sure. so i, as i said, why is i yeah. is this going to end up really was getting taxi drivers and official men, but they're not my good. it's gotta do that. why was this special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it just some, but it says wants to executive sense from vice receipts. and that was a bundle of what to do a i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff for has that. what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution? so, so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up to them. have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. who is all these will continue to hold. what i

mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved, both of them phantom shows up the ethnic i knew and yeah, this involved in guys involved. the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah. most of those guys would have to be conference in there will be our foundation. i noticed this guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice or the nearby cancer. this was one voice. and we need to ensure that we would this fire out would need to buy in any x most of our to the division of death. and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often, you to you to util. telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to,

to welcome in rushes less than a group. of course, um, 5 minute, for instance, victorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many of the ships in the number of western countries. this being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa, mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputy to deflect judge illusion. america is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of the silver and see what else i can think of. you

create of your claim and maybe african people said, excuse me. what did america do? any of that was that was that not breach? of security. so for the other countries. so why did they condemn both? but from us, the woods. this is a solution for what was a little bit. i'm really, i'm lice, i think you had mentioned have was the sort of the ocean because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is wrong for us to was, is it is usually because any excuse me, you have cable, correct. that is neutral, really the side effect going to be on? is it, it's kind of use your boy. i as well as it is, i love the collection of rules or those you can me. and out of that, it was only applies to russia, not us. let's not be,

hey book this is appropriate. this is the problem. we need to look at the met or sometimes and the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya would on probes this company, we never put it together. i get is that acceptable? what do you make? look? i nothing has to be honest. i'm dealing with this stuff. so it's not like the width is in the why it on? or romantic? nobody saying that. ok. so don't lift. you don't lift. you have other people and say, you look icon them and i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to video created. and there's no question, but in the simplest, i'll call them american. envision of, of that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that, and i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules you should applies to everybody, you know,

exceptionally well we bring. what do you make of america's charge? last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian fighter. if you make of that child i, i'm really confused. exactly as to why the best level of these guys as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying, he apologized that he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't like know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something that took place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that sales advocate has

a number of issues i think and where is easy? where is the government? i think in c, broberg we is losing it's, it's a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible. is that the for the, even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible if he's at with i'd say the light is also terrible. i've that made a comfortable song. i, we don't know. a medical reports now are more accurate than before. uh. i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda and a section on the, which is a tim, probably actually budgeting throat in the world. the amenities have been very

accurate and i bought it. so i did it. so it's not, and i don't know what does to. so what happened death, but i notice danger to innovation of governance in south africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way look at what is happening here. go with the game. i don't have the problem all you it'll be under the last 20. you'll be at least an applicant leads us signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if, unless everybody see if i think i need support, we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then we will hold holding coffee. it's an excellent nationalist

and this other seeing the guys, even in our headset, the support nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then we'll see if i'm this everybody see if they know that. so right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after he left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different color. that's a very important look at the after got that. so there's no judy cover it $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone get a money in america. us and. and bridget, also seeing the f $23.00 young dollars africans go north of is in their money. it's okay. and that was as it's nice, what is happening when you create has a problem. when greece has a financial problem,

the fund will it bank immediately search it out. now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of going to years? does it act as you want them to get um and you want them to come down also on the list it cash and this is find the most do a $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most living on advocate will wisdom companies like united pricing and the best pricing and profit phone, you know, a lot of, of shifting. i do know that i'm sick, i just wanted to act. and so with these really the bits i'll be heavy and for my friends and those. so it is a bit out of what is all of them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not sad of in this house that dominated by wisdom most do know some ideas on the boards it's, it's a,

there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys and supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of this balance. that's why these banks would focus on greece. we're focusing on your grid, right? but so the lack of where to submit to is that what the board zip doesn't know what is, what does that be a small even we run out of time. thank you very much in the dining room. come fix on that and see his thank you. the

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