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billionaire, for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards those who try to sol, so see ever lose faith in africa. the feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems he says is by governance. and why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution to the most serious crimes and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come pick some. thanks dave. us, you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa in some countries you've had some success,

but the violence never seems to go away and sit on the country of your bus decades of fighting. another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you? is very best at stan at work. and i'll be able to have this. i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this. fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial resources. it's still a blessed story and this is story of sold. yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story, unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect humanitarian principles. that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid

civilian casualties. why is that? they don't care? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can. somehow when this don't, they cannot be a, we're not here to kind of deal with not only lose us ever this find is losing. and so then these people are losing. the little flesh that we have is being destroyed, detective really isn't a mess. and most of it is of buying them sold. yes. it's, it is, it is very said, do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this that's going on. yeah. that's when can be out of 54 countries according to the index in the last, over the last 10 years. you know, we would use an index to measure of governance in africa. the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it

backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shifts your sense of responsibility for this week. okay, this the funding governor, governor to z d. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of dish and it's, it's not, i don't have boxes, you know, corner me then is the human developments and the rules of security and the picture . the bishop is really mix. yes. of course, over the last 10 years,

i forgot made the point of progress in the area of introspection and human development bits of educational, based on hand, but non secured, no security i've heard of low, is going down actually why, why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes the it's, it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh then you have also extend the effective as like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up it's, are ethnic conflicts like having in the for i didn't have a criminal, legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one

element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa? protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening and custom weatherstone . banners. so that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. but she was infection about 430 is created for this military organization and i was just not enough for the him to have an army. he could, he gets into the support forces. i haven't called him him id, you know, it just hasn't for him, it is my board section. and the,

the collision center just has an army. his party has the militia. he had ordered the stuff. the just curriculum is this course. so 2 years hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or those are the guys were dying, is a city for them. oh gosh. this is a and be able to give us hope because they will not accept disorders of it. they will not accept a tyler and he will not accept the death of ships and you went to just city for 3, it is now green solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say, you say that you say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and bad government says that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics. according to afro barometer report last month, that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade,

opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority, the majority is willing to accept military intervention. if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them. of course, at least it is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have a difficulty abusing fall off his power and then trying to day with the constitution someplace the the, the, the position i'm fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting paula didn't power gets to his head and now being data. when electrical care, my game is this guy, you understand why people say, oh, as one, definitely good today to for him. so down know 3, the supporting committed to the cool. happy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing this because issue shouldn't end up losing

his body if uh yeah. if they can get rid of some but then but then the problem is you are, you are replacing the suck on. was it different? i mean that, that is, that it doesn't look like that. that's why i, i, its people need to live that there is also enough to, to seek the form of a bad z that it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that instead of ending up mid support your community. cool again, is that, so what are the frequencies like? what's tim, tim? about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion about. look only in africa. our guys in africa lou cut out. i'm do see or just feeling meant strong. mean all about the place. you know, and we have something that states will have delta t y,

and i sure will have china web for the beans. what. how many strong men are then? we see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. one of the best i was i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, or, or the about why i cannot be like to order the like and it would be like, yeah, this is a time for strong man. unfortunately, and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global phenomenon. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of the suspect concussions done at the moment. um, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian go back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most of asked, despite, as he said,

what bevels with the cause, they would predators, and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case? it is, it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries of last week. i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished invest. that was you cool. you know the disease at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a course on wedding. i think we saw that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this. then that game is an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does it show the items the item is suppose to protect you on the board? who is it and the african category?

so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any, was that between african countries? i don't recall any. why do you need the arms? who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that and yeah, i'm in a moment to, to, i, i just, i don't think we need it. it is all nice. and those guys has been goals as many of them, and then they come much with us with the copy that i mean, what is last week? so does go happening inside 2000 was an internal affair. they said, and the student needs armed forces. so of course of launched attacks, and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital, as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry? but the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution . but that's not the government. that's not, that's not a shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have. i just adult is people just took it by paula.

by god's a dead look. he lifted the note to dive looks as well. yeah. i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general, those on the never things act announcing this while the african states to that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes into? what is the problem is the applicant here that hasn't will just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the epic. i do any, i can be finite and should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental risk and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't, hasn't called yet, she has plenty of good. you the tensions doesn't to but the 2003 and i saw the amount of power. what what, what happens? asylums for guns by one and 220. yes. what happens? what? what about 6, what is the account for the plastic? i know what about security, because why does this included accounts? i think a lot of people forgotten about the security because is defined by the veto. is

that the 5 cause, i guess it's by lice, but what is the whole bubbly or the, is it a mess? the whole public, the whole, the whole world of this, you know, all these global inspections. i miss you curious accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah for can you open the dfcs? they don't have the means folks that they've had on the x address at least more of the wage. which of these accounts have kind of even but, and so we're not seeing much of that. as for the businesses that did it and said this is on the date. we have to come for us 2 weeks of all i've had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones you want to do. at that, if it's, if it is closer to, to see what i can look if it's, but it's on obedient and what's going on for them shift for you have access all over the country. do you have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept and so down at the moment i know i,

i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was guys of goodness the she didn't, i've been to take will they? if i to i whole then i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of $11.00 day it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what but, but she didn't say nobody could touch him. he wasn't pretty sure what happened to i'm afraid that is not what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i c, i o projected to those that came through blaze eyes as he was as an african court. i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again, you look at the way that go to is good you too, which is which is cannot. it cannot,

but it's cute but is it is yes. very good. so the 2 for me. exactly. sure. so i, as i said july as i yeah. is this going to end up really was cute teen taxi drivers and official men. but the not my courts got those that wire to the special court. it just it city, it just some visits wants to executive sense from vice receipts. and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff. what has that? what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think i that we cannot give up, then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. football is all these. what can do the whole, what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you

gotta be as involved, both of them factors show something, i think i do and you have this in for them. and yeah, it does involve the cost, it is invalid. so our messages, yeah. most of those guys would have that'd be conference and that will be our foundation. i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice. now or the other voice or the nearby counselors was one voice . and we need to ensure that we would this fire out would need to buy in any x most of our to the division of death. and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often, you, you to, you talk totally about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13, for an armies actually at the moment to various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes, musson to the group. of course, the bottom, the, for instance, notorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students

that unacceptable. and you'll notice who invited them the medical issues in the number of western countries that's being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to in the case of south africa, mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputy to be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the uh, a good game in the it's a violation of the solvency over the country. so if you create of your claim and maybe african people said, excuse me. what did america do?

any of that was that could be good. was that not breach of security? so for the other countries, so why don't they condemn both in a 2nd but from us to woods? this is a new shift for what was a little bit. i'm really on the lice. i think you had mentioned how was this, what is your wish and because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is wrong for us to was, is it is usually because any, excuse me, you have him correct. that is neutral. really the side, the as it is kind of use your boy i, it does it is i the collection of rules or those you can me out of the rooms. the only applies to russia and not us. let's not be, hey book this is appropriate. this is to a problem, we need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya would on brooks is company. we never would you to be able to

get is that acceptable? what do you make? look, i'm not going to be honest. i'm dealing with this stuff. so it's not like the width is in the why it on or romantic? nobody saying okay, so, so don't lift. you don't let you have other people and say, you look icon them. and i think it is a problem is i like shift about for russia a to is a dual credit. and there's no question back in the same place i've called the american invasion of over that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that, i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, this applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally is what we bring. what do you make of america's charge? last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian fighter?

if you make of that child i, i'm really confused at exactly as to why the bus at abileneisd, but we only have south africa's version for saying he apologized that he didn't know what was your tell. he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't nice know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something that took place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that sales advocate has a number of issues i think and where is a see, where is the government?

i think in c, broberg we is losing it's. it's a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible is that to them before they even know that we have of what happened. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible if he's at with as he the light is also terrible of the board strong. it was also uh, a medical rewards now uh more accurate its own before. uh, i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda of a section on the, which is became obvious actually. but during the throat, in the world, the amenities have been very accurate and they bought it. so i did it well, it's not, and i don't know what does to, so what happened there, but i notice these are to innovation of governments and tests. africa was big

public about this, right? in the time we have left, we talked a lot about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way, look at what is happening here. go with the game. i don't have the problem all you, it'll be under the last 20. you'll be at least i think at least that was signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if i'm this everybody see if i think i need support, we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then be able to hold, holding coffee, nice to the nationalist and this other seeing the guys even in our head surface and the supports, nothing. okay. and that was the,

the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then let's see if i'm this everybody see if they know of that. so right. know and gauge. now for the same as i know it's after we left for the summit . 60, you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different bar that's very important. look at the after. got that. so there's no just cover it. $23000.00 the out. the said, yes, everyone gentlemen, in america, us and, and bridget also seen is $23.00 young dollars off against the money. okay. and now does it say, what is happening when you create has a problem? when greece has a financial problem, the fund, will it back immediately, search it out. now what's happening in zambia,

what's happening instead of the 2 years? did they asked the and you want them to close that? um and you want them to come down also on the list. it cash. it isn't financial loss. it's a $100000000000.00, a $100000000000.00. they get most living on advocate well, with the companies. 1900 in price range. yes. and that's pricing and broke it down . you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick, i just want you to act. so with these really the best of the heavy i'm for my friends of the list. so it is a bit out of what is or the bits of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most of the, you know, some ideas on the boards it's, it's a, there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer to decline. so this of these banks. that's why these banks would

focus on greece. we're focusing on your credit, right. but so the lack of where to submit to the board that doesn't know what does, what does that pays moyvey and we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. dining on the complex, i'm going to give you his talk to the,

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