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tv   The Day  Deutsche Welle  August 11, 2023 10:30pm-10:51pm CEST

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a little everyone here just wants to get into a big old cliff, the coins digital gold and we want it to stay here in central and south america. they are known as big queen arrows, digital gold, diggers. investors from all over on moving to latin america in search of bitcoin treasure. nowhere is the crypto currency value more highly than here. but for many, the frenzy ends in ruin. we were promised high speed rail, but so far there is no sign of the coin in latin america starts august 18th on dw, the or we still do not know how many people have died in the wild. flyers on the hawaiian islands of mallory. but with the confirm number at 55, this will most likely be one of hawaii deadliest natural disasters ever. the blaze reduce the historic port countable hannah to a waste land of ashes in just
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a matter of hours. some residency they had no warning until the flames were at their door. were officials caught off guard. and how could a part of american paradise so quickly become paradise lost on board gulf in berlin? this is the day the if i like, i feel like i was there was no way to go. just read last clinics from strong yourself. here. beyond any synonymy or any other tropical storms that have come through beautiful homes that are very old. and they're me for us when i feel like a match to do for many years. also coming up the russian mercenary group wagner, left for bill of roost after they're filled me back in june report say they're on
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the move again. it's unclear where to so it was clear, he said it was only in ensuring step, waiting for the next. the next, what could it be? could it be in the engagement in ukraine? could it be a strong encased main things here in africa, in african space and so on? what could it be? but the solution of the groups to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. well, can we begin the day on the hawaiian islands valley where they still don't know how many people died in this week's wildfires which now rain as the deadly it's natural disaster in hawaii and more than half a century crews are going from one charge building to the next looking for bodies and residents of the port town of le hannah, which was practically burned to the ground, will be able to return today. the governor, preparing them for a quick destruction that they have never seen in their lives. a residence who
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escaped the flames say they had no warning and now local media are reporting that mary's fire chief and it's top emergency management official. we're not on the island tuesday when the fires were well under way. we have this report, the historic hawaiian town of la haine, a reduced to smouldering rubble, all most of the night as firefighters work to extinguish the last of the flames. authorities have begun assessing the scale of the damage. we probably have well over a 1000 buildings that have been destroyed, many, many hundreds of families have been displaced, will rebuild the president has already just in 6 hours authorized and approved our request for emergency support. but it's going to be a long hall scene from the air. the once vibrant, the town appears. little more than a wasteland of ash and ruins. rescue teams have been deployed from the us mainland
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. but with hundreds of people still missing there, a fee is that many never made it down a live some of those who did a returning home, only to find they've lost every thing. so this is our 1st time coming back and like actually knowing that our house burned out, we haven't really known anything for the last couple of days because there is no information coming through. tens of thousands of tourists have been evacuated from the island of molly. but for the majority of la haine, as residents, there is no home to fleet to too many will now lose to emergency shelters across the island. as the government works to open hotels and holiday houses for those now left homeless. this is gonna take years, years to recover and it just breaks my heart. that's all the history from back in the waiting days. the 1800 us ashton does. but
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despite the challenge and of the cost hawaii, so sort of these ended people have vowed to rebuild, however long it takes. but i'm drawing tonight by journalism talking. nathaniel knock is a native hawaiian who's been years covering major stories around the world. he is now a columnist with the honolulu civil beach knock. it is good to see you. i'm glad to know that you and your family are safe. you live on the big island, not on mallory, but you wrote me a piece for the time to for the new york times that you could see smoke on thursday . i mean, give us an idea of how far away you are, particularly from behind that. and what did you think when, when you saw that somebody did you think a major disaster was underway? right. no, to the beverly honest. yeah. we get wins here all the time. in fact, we end up with the same wins that, that did it now. and in the past, you know, it's caused the wildfires, but yeah, nothing of this scope and scale. this is one of those. you know,
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we're looking around right now trying to figure out what exactly happened and this is news is starting to come out. we're realizing that to you, these things that we never imagined you are happening. and so this is one of the things that we need to do. we need to have better imaginations. pair up with these kinds of disasters. well, you know, residents on mount we say that they were not reward, that no sirens sound did. i mean, how do you think that is possible on an island that regularly drills for c nomics? so, so, so now i mean is it, so this is the story with why, why is always been affected by, you know, when, by nature, you know, whether it's been through non these, you know, earthquakes, yeah, volcanoes or hurricanes, but we've always figured out how to deal with that, in this case we're dealing with is the consequences of centuries of land mismanagement here in hawaii. hawaii is supposed to be the lush tropical paradise that everybody thinks it is. but so much of the island has been given over to,
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you know, really devastating forms of agriculture, a lot of pineapple plantation, sugar plantations, and ranching. and these are all activities that do not be long on this island. and when those companies, because the economies fell apart in the late 20th century, we've been left with lands that are in boxes. and when we end up with substantial wins that come through, it causes these wildfires and we just don't have the natural protections that we should if hawaii had been allowed. you have to continue on developing the way it should have you write that this fire is, is a tipping point and you wrote, i saw just a couple of weeks ago and you were asking, would hawaii be prepared if global warming gets worse? what do you say to that now that this week has happened? just we just have, i mean, i feel really bad. you know, that you know, that those words were written to way. you know, i wish that these words have been written, you know, years ago and that, you know,
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the teams that were put in place to deal with the sorts of disasters to prepare people had been, you know, we're discovery now that many of these, yeah, the governor was off island. yeah. the, the police. yeah. i bought the fire department chief and the head of emergency services. and now we weren't on islands. and you know, if you don't have good, deep teams to deal with these sorts of situations. if you have single points of failure, like it looks like we've had, this is where, you know, we're just in shock right now with the deal with what happens in the rest of the world. you know, considers hawaii as america's piece of paradise. i mean, the place that you go to, to escape the realities, you know, that we all have. i mean, what do you say to the rest of the world tonight about that? i mean, we are yeah, we've always had the same problems that everybody else has had. and that's been a marvelous marketing machine that has turned hawaii. yeah. into this tourist paradise that people keep coming and you know,
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wanting to vision. it's wonderful. we loved visitors. we loved interacting and having people come and visit. we just had visitors this past week and it was marvelous getting then getting a chance to share. yeah, this island with them. but unfortunately, we've had too many. and this is the same story that we've seen, you know this summer in europe to where bennett has been, overwhelms where so many to our sites. yeah, you just can't move around, and this is the problem that hawaii, you know, during cobit, everybody disappeared. and so we got to discover, you know, how special and how quiet intel beautiful, why you can be, but hawaii gets, is going to get close to $10000000.00 visitors this year. and we just cannot sustain that. it's just something that's had too great an impact. you know, on our tiny little islands. yeah. you're talking about visitors. i remember visiting you and your wife married at the new york city right after the 911 attacks . and i remember, you know how the shock in the city then was, was palpable. i don't, i don't want to compare them to what is happened here on mallory but this shock,
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i mean what is the shock like they are where you are? is it a feeling that something has happened and things will never be the same again? so it's, yeah, there is one of those things that you know, it just like you, i did think it, but i just, you know, i just don't feel comfortable saying that obviously. yeah. it just to compare the scale. but when you consider, you know, how large new york city is, how large you know, and how small, you know, our island is, you know that this is one of those things that, you know, is just, it's hard to figure out, you know, this is malware is always avoided, you know, a lot of the, you know, a lot of the bigger disasters that have happened to year in, on the big islands. and it's just something that, you know, if this place where it can happen, that was the same thing happened with new york, is that, oh, it can happen here. and this is the part that, you know, hawaii is dealing with right now, is it happens here, and that's just the shock. yeah. that we're trying to figure out. yeah. and, you know, i, i know everyone's still in shock. maybe we can find some,
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but you know, silver lining in all of this. what would a possible happy ending in your opinion, what would it look like coming from this tragedy? it's that's and that's, yeah, i'm in the same. yeah. same. but as you are brand new, know we're looking at this point is that, you know, we know that when things happen, that there are, yeah, an opportunity to reset in one is i would like to stay, you know, reset our relationship when it comes to tourism. but number 2, and most importantly is that we need to find a better way to house people here in hawaii. we've had a huge problem with people not being able to remain in the state because they can't afford the cost of living. and it's something that, you know, if something along this scale happens, that maybe they'll help reset the real estate market. but then it also given input, as you know, for people to really take in on some of the more innovative, you know, plans, uh, you know, the housing issues that uh, that people have found solutions to. but we just need to have the opportunity to,
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to implement hear them here. so yeah, well, i'm sure everyone has around the board reaching you and everyone on why, especially now we all the best. maybe there will be a silver lining to be found. journal is not going to the thing or not can we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. tonight's good seeing you. thank you. thank you. see, i'm a holler. aloha. the generals in the share who carried out a coup against their own president, 2 weeks ago, apparently have it in my or in one. you have guinea pig ocean, the head of rushes, wagner mercenary group, has welcomed the crew partner, has long been active in the so hell region of africa are initiators, located and for. goshen, is known for his own an orthodox attempt to changing power. in june. he briefly let a revolt against the russian military leadership. he had his wagner forces are now reported leaving bella roost. there are numerous rumors about where they are. we're, we're in what they are planning to do next. wagner, group mercenaries,
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training batteries in ministry personnel. just last month that a reese is ministry of defense released footage, which claims to show the group who were alive to setup comp in the country by liter, alexander lucas shank. go. that came as a result of a deal. he brokered in june that put an end tour revolt against his close ally russian president vladimir putin bite wagner mercenaries. each was launched by their leader. you have gained e p. goshen lucas shan't go. has appeared to welcome wagner mercenaries being in his country. there is a new search on the display for which i need your wagner are helping us for free. even though there are mercenaries who fought and worked everywhere for money to bring us a jeweler. to be honest, if i want to keep them as a unit here to for their real fighters who have been through a warfare by 2 percent should, should as well, you know, but you do. of the wagner mercenaries appeared to be setting up
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a base and batteries the satellite images from june, purport to show a military facility under construction. not far from the capital means, but now just a week later, there are unconfirmed reports that a majority of the mercenaries have been kicked out of batteries by the countries leader, alexander lucas. shank. while i'm joined nearby and catalina step on income pressure analyst at the institute for the study of work, she joins us now from washington dc. it's going to help you with this. it was your organization which reported the latest on the potential movements of these wagner fighters. we know it's very, very difficult to verify. reports like this still tells how do you know this, and what more can you tell us? yes, of course the information that we've observed came from kremlin inside of sources. um, so obviously we cannot verify their full legitimacy. however,
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these sources in the past have been credible. and when reporting on situation with russian security forces, it is like i've said the, the evidence is the, the, the insight as far as the state of that around 400 to 500 wagner personnel is moving to across on the price. so we, it's not the entirety of the constituency in bill. it was, i also want to process that the rates and recently obtained satellite imagery shows that there is an increase in military equipment. and so a simple way to k, a base in billows, which might suggest that wagner is still continuing their operations and abilities of this time and might of even increase their presence. so what about the report? the bill originally dollars in lucas jenko saying that he doesn't want to finance of the wagner group are we seeing there are a wrist opening up between him and russian president vladimir putin. or that
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was also a claim by one of the kremlin inside or sources who has been connected to russian security forces. it's, it's interesting to the extent of which one of luca shanker has been integrated into kind of solving the kremlin issues on the ground. and so look, a strength of presence in this deal, you know, was an inherent slap to push in when it was 1st brokered. and the dissolution of this negotiation is that actually happens when i might have some implications on just which is the ability to assert power and decisively of sol issues that happened in internally within russia. so we wagner in russia, wagner and bella ruse, why does it matter? why is it so important to know? we're wagner mercenaries our station and locate just because it's a, it's
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a demonstration of fortunes ability to resolve issues that arise for his regime. obviously having 13000 militants that have previously staged in our rebellion in brawl shop weren't those poses some sort of a thread for russian which is redeemed. so the, the whereabouts of this group of forces that is reportedly being deprived of some of the opportunities in africa and the middle east and being upset with, for example, the kremlin, couldn't be a bad sign for food. and i think what we're observing now is pushing continues his efforts to prioritize the destruction of the goshen as an individual, as a figure within russia, more so than actually figuring out what wagner personnel is going to do next. you know, since wagner is, is short lived, rebellion in june and allegedly, against the leadership of the russian military. what, what, what can we say? the relationship is between wagner and rushes,
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various security interests around the world. you know, there were reports in the past week or so there may be wagner forces in new share, which just experienced another could as i think that there's uh, 2 currents that are, i'm going the 1st current is a defense minister, c h, troy go who has reportedly been trying to limit wagner separation from broad, essentially, his goal, it seems to be to replace mark their personnel operating and africa in the middle east, with other personnel, from other pro, private military companies affiliated with russian ministry of defense. so right now it's, it's really unclear and it looks like the kremlin doesn't have a said a certain goal and a sense of strategy for inter greeting, wagner personnel, both in their domestic operations as well as into a international operations. and furthermore,
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in ukraine doesn't mean that it is depending who we appreciate your time and your insight tonight. thank you. thank you so much. the story of a suspected spied working for russia in the german military has raised serious questions and concerns here in germany. the suspect has access so through his work or had access rather to sensitive details about weapons system. so he was arrested on wednesday in what germany's defense minister board, as far as the story is claiming to be a success for german intelligence. a suspected spite in the ranks of the gym and armed forces working for russia. the story has sounded, alarm bells. the man arrested is thomas h. an employee of the display of procurements office which handles sensitive details about weapon systems. he allegedly attempted to offer himself as an
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informant for russia, such allegations a rap, says jim, and just administer marco bush, mount lives. these are far it is to this case is extremely exceptional, but we cannot turn a blind died 2 such cases. we must be vigilant device, sons, auntie of acres. in general, we're grateful for the enormous loyalty and exemplary performance of the members of the buddhist span. the sauce banks, initial email contact with russian diplomats, was immediately flag bios doherty's, according to the spiegel, it's believed the intended sensitive information to be handed to russian intelligence. that could include details of elements, projects, technical information about weapon systems like f, $35.00 fighter jets, which the gym and air force as ordered from the us would certainly be of interest to russian military intelligence. russia has repeatedly focused its espionage activity on germany. one of ukraine's major suppliers last
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year, a cd, a foreign intelligence official, was detained for leaking details to moscow about the system monitoring russian military tactics on the battle front and ukraine. opposition. politicians want to more public push back against new king by the kremlin. we have to be much clearer and i expect from all.

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