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i failed the that's getting the really go in here. i think the same, the last of him for the bike precautions, files, skills and his all are still important full points in addition, several this for instance, enough for that my guess this week on. so his russian investigative journalist and security services expert consul dot tough. it's often to our website tracks department intelligence services. we'll put in person the system with ad approximate, especially with the,
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with the tough welcome to the about. so i'll take most scott, the industry of defense and the funds you understood that in this case, she wanted to still to get take out of this situation. so his time constant must go up, but it wasn't on the blackboard. but god bless you. wanted to stop the wasn't,
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this was an army so yes, yeah. on the his come up. the son of the army is what matters now and give us the fact that nobody wanted to stop. and the security says that people have a put that in charge of providing the political submitted to follow up, which is spread. jane did nothing as the local office and stuff just dictated themselves as people of the do nothing trying to in contrast
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stable russia as a risk. how serious do you see the rising and how fragile is the russians? again, i think that not only that because an odd hey, is uh, an extremely uh, interesting conduct uh bought his uh, a lot of limits that he doesn't have several fit. assume that a big goal is to bob's eyes y'all's taking all gates and actually show you're going to rush them off
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. well, that's because upset this book informed me and i needed to contact. that's my source that says rush and secured the services that's best for since enough around what date and the positive side of that you have the zip code, but those are the middle is highlighted there might have had from in the military the leads because it appeared that his and his wagner mercenaries that they met no resistance. yes, absolutely. once again, i just want to stress to as,
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as be to started up. so there's nothing they installed to stop the restructure on the stand. the room is nobody in for instance out what is this connection has been so maybe it's really bad is getting that to maybe is getting worse to be done now the general so they didn't know at that moment uprising what might be that connection and they just started what particular point in their previous private sector
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drivers development the because the brake and loyalty to the kremlin, how would this be being viewed right now by putting a it's a good question because of this office and for people like constable. all it's, the system of the f is be off cost, it looks like a complete file of these people that put that to walk into cumberland involved the probably might come up out of the walk in a group. i'd like to watch a primary drop, right. and that is being involved refreshing the system. so
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could you be all done since the occasion a girl one stage occluded top and toppled garbled shelves. most of the ranks are inside of the kitchen being decided to do exactly the same to wait and see, putting absolutes in last thing. he is friends, people, he all respects and one now is it a, is a distance then as the rest of the goods or services, the only thing they did not actually start is just a button that was
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it's port to the sar, for example, between the military rushes security services and there in particular. well 1st of all, i'm not completely agree with this assessment just to remember the last time of his uprising comprehensive the programs versus lucas jenko said that he ultimately broke or the deal that separate goshen has. and then their march toward moscow is luke been to milly it in put to save him? well, i think it was a whole think about bell every sound. look,
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i think our participation of gods made put extremely weak. just remember that for many, many years push it was promoting that idea that it can, it suck the idea off of 17. that was such a big thing that you kind of fall just to find refreshments. people wants to walk to promote this 2nd country because it's starting to his mind a popped up uh, alexander walker, sancho go fix his internal program. so it does look for pollution. really good. lucas angle also saying that for good in bella roost, although there's no independent confirmation. he heard for it from more than a week. what do you think is happening for goshen? is he still alive? well, it's difficult to think he's still very much alive. first of all,
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what as well as his grades, this situation, it's really difficult on this down what is going on. bob's. there are several interesting science plus the full, the whole think about couldn't digits. so it's changing as far as like a spot. everybody knows big bank would you guess who is my case? give me. we'll try just i'm facing the back side of it to make it just look to moscow. now it's just safe for both. you know, i mean,
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he's been promised us and you would have to say close ties to now put in his actually mentioned that the following up to investigate. it would actually be prosecuted by the bar. because of course that there's some companies that are assigned. they've been that we thought they had no chance, but they got to as john's so that trying to win this. so contracts provided by the government on this job. the fact mother's looks like gardens, both skills and his people, and still important for puts in addition in several areas, for instance in africa. and it looks like uh, kind of doesn't want to completely just walk in our documentation and say that
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again, terry, the war and the goes into fester for so long. well, pushing on the stands clear, read that even in last of unpopular wars could predict popular generals and these ginia at some moment my become a political friend that happens many times to the russian history. pushing understands that and the stance let's he cannot let that go. so he wanted to have some accounts of balance to that. some sort of maverick from might expose the programs in the middle and the peep region expected talk about what happens to be
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on the reports of and are they likely in grad that some of build on it based on because it does talk your while bye, less told just marston old stuff started to stop him too. but i mean i was exposed to some elements in russian occupied, tory and ukraine. ukrainian intelligence says that wagner will not in ukraine any
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more. do you think that wagner in ukraine will go willing a it's a very interesting question that we have some recent actually today that's uh, solid bottom ball office to say, you said the state that they spoke to it's a people also boxed the default. let's talk a little bit more about how russians are viewing all of this potential landscape says that my suffering full scale, we can p calls it for goes and has apparently tapped into the kootenays and is a corrupt system where the ruling, the lead had been emerging themselves and our and pleasing food and then doing what is right for national interest, ordinary people. but that's
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a message which seems to have resonated how high is this satisfaction with pollutants, including as well that the technician, the big, the my perception by a holiday season is uh, signs off. uh that's it. i just time time becky, they will stand by this line based upon some extent that they should expect
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the section with russian leadership to send a generation opportunity for the c. i a to recruit spies in russia. if you are familiar with the security services, do you think that the c i will find photographed for recruitment? well, i think rather, yeah, it's, you know, there's a lot of useful. yeah. about trying to define and kind of thought of the standards of the stigma about the system and the more people are the 2 repressions,
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especially against his own people. we have several s as b people in jail. they have ministers in jail governance in jail. so it is a big thing for the russian society, and lots of people in jail is found. the stands i've, that's actually, that is about the state to stay loyal to pruitt's. and uh, so i would, i would say by that point still it's might be an opportunity, but i would be cautious also, the program is bad to stay with the best people. and then it wasn't strong for the actual russian because the whole restrictions start off with the may a child who has been seen attracting normalcy,
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public appearance and the rebellion. the southern region of bag if you spoke about $400.00, even if the technology fair in moscow. what questions make up that a big step by step by step a step does a pencil that put the launch at the middle of tray. it was a population promotion, i mean his ranch, they really offer this alternative to the war. propaganda for many russians,
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unvarnished glimpsed from the front lines. you highlighted the use list and, and just to find bosses and since really go back to regularly scheduled programming . i think the team does one that it's support as well. they filed the total monthly section, but we don't know what might happen if say you agree on that goes with that success as done. now that might change the situation, and if that changes, they might be new space and your own fault for yours and then people are, can, let's talk about prudent for us to short as power. first of all is a crack down under way. that is one thing which is all to give
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to services on the state of some of the out come up i think we need to replace the fuse. confusion right now involves cancer. of course they not bringing public use, of course in charge of the more effort in your price has also been deflected questions about the whereabouts of dental. so you can use to be at the to think that the
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the can phone service about people. it's uh, heater and visit us in middle trisha about not about the business, which is a very interesting thing. while you have these people, i'm is f as b as in. that's them. oh god. oh, of the to services pulled in charge off for the stocks most acute and police cost them. yep. all the questions, the criminal pads, it's all about the message. it's is still
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a very capable force and they have his reputation ends. there are some miller trait yet there is new confusion now because of the, obviously i'm using it stays by box or because of this policy because of called full up to the nothing. but put this, of course, enough of as was bad to be spiel of his pilots get killed because they don't know the rest of the hey, or what's the new track. ok is that this is not to keep it. you have the probably the minutes are killed they can get to kind of confused in the long storm my effects and situations about the ukranian counter offense. this get
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a cheap, significant success to nato's top commander in europe. do you think that now there is more pressure on me to end the war thing? what understand such a big big thing with the a guessing badger about the history and the 2nd baltimore and all of that. so that is based i z. a shaded by may yet, but i'd rather not, i mean all of his thoughts of war and of a bad shape, but a guessing that's not on the way. and we're just trying to up at the best fit. i'm
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going to ask you one question about the pricing of the kremlin credit courses. the all of it might happen because as a more visual goes, is it more the russians decides as kids and use the visible? and now the, i guess, to visit multiple arguments and stay above the wall because there's so many cars there's, there's so many people killed in naples. little bit
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about some of the it's most that the whole does eyes. yeah. that while it's going to be with a long walk in the long war, you get people like j roll sand as why while using vetted language a more and more and more popular pop law. and at some moment they might get some miles from position or not. i assumed how long do you think putting as well i think it was we had spoken about years so that doesn't have to leave it there. thank you so much for the
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