africa in 60 minutes on dw, we've got some hot tips for your bucket list, the magic corner check hot spot, and some great cultural memorials to vote w travel off we go, the hi guys, my name is i do go and this is really a flying and then you are watching this of instead of percent on data has to be total about africa. so keep watching this out. hello and welcome to the 77 percent the whole life because youth, it's not always easy to document or experiences will share our thoughts. today's show is about what happens when you write to talk or pine is suppressed. in nearly

40 percent of african countries, independent media observe is classify the situation of press freedom of difficult. so today we're focusing on freedom of expression and how young people are fighting for their voices to be hired. i want you kamara. well, come the coming up. we made a journalist from uganda. k. yeah. and gotten us what tell us about the chinese is the face to bring it in in or sprint debate in dfcs do globally need to for us. we tackle the general using buses, us citizen debate. and we wrap up in the evening story. zombie is cultural jam list we need to and he's now freedom of speech may sound like a dry topic, but it's anything, but especially for the youth, we are the driving force behind change after all. so let's take this show off with

a bit of a twist. allow me to introduce you to rap as a dog. oh. and we are flying from nairobi. they are using the musical talents to call up the dangers to the press. over to you fellows, rob, you're right to free. don't. a offered for team is important c de leon. and then to go to add port in this place because that become a bell press. yeah, that's the absolute good story unfold. just read them is juggling. laugh, done. to lose the fees that operation is ready. and actually why fi to the address shown you bought out of 17 countries and saudis fucked. 40 out of that is 3 governments come to the page, meet the click. this is think to check what's on the other, the,

can you tell me this information propaganda reading, you know, communities in this environment. impunity range, i'd be try to address that. getting investigative before. does it really mean to bother you clicked on? let me put it in booking the 1st 2, so he read just totally becoming the no news on in the program. taken down with the new sentence, the getting to present to submit the most sensitive voices. in this guy's info mentor, some countries we came across the amended face meals, cream, you know, like the gun, the looking for thing. this is the input a man. thanks. which indeed do nice one guys, now alia, we mentioned that press freedom in almost 40 percent of african countries is going to be that difficult. but did you know that in 2022 is that number was 33 percent.

that means the situation on the continent is deteriorating rapidly, so it's no surprise. the more journalist a watching on the cover, including i must remove unless the good man investigative journalist has exposed dozens of corruption stories in his country, his multiple name, shame, and jail. his work has divided people some think that it goes to fall while others think it's necessary to hold losing power to account. our very own michael ot caught up with him recently to find out more about the width of this work and why he does what he does. there are lots of young people who are interested in becoming you like you. i mean exposing corruption in the countries. but they are of, you'll see a lot of challenges, talk to them about some of the risk that investigative journalism on the come by

investigative journalism faces. nobody should think that coming into again, that is a, is a bed of roses. it is not going to be attacked. you are going to be suit in the football. it's kind of a, i was sued 6 a 6 things. but here's a trick. the. if the stick to had power evidence, no, my pet this, you know my pass, the number of people will show you to will stop. it's all up to making sure that you check your security very well. you don't become trigger happy in just talking and mation and things that you do. you ensure that you follow a very simple techniques that i come explaining this interview, but it is difficult. my day is a way of surviving it. and i think that if it can use has that capacity to survive

this, don't, you know, make peace if we don't solve our problems we've been to solve i, we expect in jim and jim is to flight into our country to help us solve it. such a little across the continent, there have been several journalist 12 in affected who have been killed. would you still encourage the young people to get into this space where people are being killed and you have to hide your face costs simply because people are coming out to you? certainly see. we cannot take the freedom of that price for granted. and the fact that you have your freedoms that so mean that you should go to sleep. that is what we ought to be reminded of as game. at least. you see when we become complacent. and we think that that freedom we enjoy it was delivered to us on this, so i'm glad that that's when we begin to suffer. how do we riley ourselves so that when i brad based on the attack? because if you don't shouts to be, tomorrow is coming to you. they will blow us and dental is safety. international

center. what is that all about? well, what sick, what's the blue is? and then at least 15 to mission. it is aimed at housing, african gen alice, who in the face of trouble have no way to vote is a view of the role i play on that one to many, many jim alice will phrase specification. i'm the 1st point of the quote, and that will be hosting them for the past 10 years now. so this time i decided i want to official lies so that i can have that payment and shelter, where these people come and take some risk by 20 and or attack and use. and you also have the box on the project on the resume, on a project in come a room where you are picking up on the story that was covered by a general list, was made it you can to ship more on that. the arizona project is colleague mats, and this, no matter to me is a colleague, believe we asked it in the ad talking. that's how i talked to him. we got up one

morning, he was shot that news will come up again. alice should know that the fact that you're taking down one gen at least, that's no means that we're sitting down. now we've monday to come together. we've monday to look for resources so that if you killed anybody that's a month away, we will put ourselves together. i lead that dalazana arizona project and i can tell you is very effective and i bought it from mine that i set up right at the gym at least across the well wells who came in helping exposing that bad deeds of people who killed. yeah. and i list now the press freedom situation might seem disheartening, but some progress has been made. and you've gone to the constitutional court struck down a provision of the computer nice was up that was seen as the limitation of freedom of speech. but let's talk about how the journalist themselves view the state of press freedom in what kind of environment do they work. i will correspondents,

in uganda, kenya and gunner diversity of perspective. the new gun and sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blind. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians with an agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates from the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes and criticized politicians in state that you've done at least of being present jordan's have any has previously described. private media outlets in them is but also some colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joins punches in 4 digits, to dig some of the most prominent politicians, both in the government and deal position, such a different demo. with several newspaper then over a $150.00 pages on regular channels has a pretty diverse media landscape. and while the posting in politics and media on the ships,

the press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the 3rd one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern list. is that once a photographer who turn to activism, author of experience, reports on 10 years post election violence, you would let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the word antiques, overindulging, members of parliament. and so what could, aside from the powers that be, may not be easy and tenure, low cost of many turn let's take on corruption by policy says, and public official is a major problem in gardner. it's offensive an ordinary pressing. or last, what's a, what's a good, good policy, holstead, quality education, and many more now reporting about this issue father, due to obtain a list. and that's what is the 4th grade. and then at least i'm not really a one now, but it's early on in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades ago. i guess he's calling for the evidence to prosecute such a fish out meant he had to go on that kind of. um, he didn't come again,

at least in dreams, that amounted corruption actively, as what he said by governments with some public officials declaring him an enemy of the space. and so now known gradstaff unless hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to, for sundays in protecting them from the girl. and i've used this, it's always interesting to hear those insights from the ground. now, traditional journalism is hyper focused on the notion of objectivity, but some practitioners argue that in the face of injustice, that can be no objectivity. so they open, they choose to be activists within the media for you, you know, a street debate. edith kimani and old pano tackle this scene line between journalism and activism and it's costing it really undermines. press integrity,

the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. 3 debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the streets, we have home to the global media for i'm one of the leading a medium forums globally. thank you. it's no secret to those of you who live in africa. the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independence, and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line? if there is one in africa between journalism and activism, and today i have a quote just found no here with me, look at those applicant kind of a no, let's start with you. what is activism? gym? i'm of them puts you in that speech sway you get into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speech. so what's the difference?

i the kind of gen i live them. i do is naming shaming and gaming. and it works because i manage to get people into deal and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call them. yeah, and that's it list, but i do my gen, i left them in the fields into active as a how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist? well, as a junior, i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay, we wanna do you find yourself in do situations as well, where you're, what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i am shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities. and i think if you all know play the type of activity. so you all you do. that's when you do get into trouble. you. uh you got an active, it's based on your personal conviction. oh yeah. for now. and so not to be by your job all by the governments of the day who's upset about what you're doing. the

people can also be active is because of the, i say, shown the cold on me and they have to perform a new wave activism. as jo nineties, i didn't find out. i think people from the activities that are, that is going to be active. it's also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that. and i totally disagree with the thing because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of demo. somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i would take you to deal. i testify, i should have called everything we don't become active is because we live in the amount of them is little bit cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i look activism from the perspective of the don't toby drill, 94 q and for being a drug. and so i know the 1st time what i mean, my own father was 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigating john and so you can even get killed

for being a call. them is a part of the. yeah, but i have another female. i'm always watching my bottom. nobody knows i was coming to a button, for example. i just show up on my full staff sounds, which i'll read. yeah. well, i said is to say when you mix these activities in the problem is that home with these means it's no longer. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deep. you said you do you like like sort of like just guessing the via the wrong i will say that you kind of do john museum doctors in proxy going by the book. i need to still in fact from i'm an example of that. when i did call dean people with very happy no way of being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is german. you will always be called an activities which are that way you do your journalism and are in with spend. they don't. oh yes,

because if i was doing the full day and for example, my name would that be what's in these agreements, breeland's b, so forth. but anyway, if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take. i went by the people want to same team question, but you're not saying on the tv, but i'm saying my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50 made my brother pop the few with them from me. i have a 6 i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do, i hardly print those. i've been changed parts when opened offices where opened into ports for dean leg jobs for, for my physical companies where we had not said that, well, that's not change. then my name is not bruno, so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've heard yet today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? there is a line i maintain that there is a line. and for me wants would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once, you're an activist,

you're journalist. whichever had to put him on, that's what set up a time. that is the key to your audience. so it's weird by listening to you because of the media pushing it or they've done on this. you have so much power this solely for looking at to listening to you some even how you want to evaluate like everything is they. they take it as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, it's right. yes. um my own point is we will keep evolving us human beings, right. so as journalist does activates, as advocates, that gary still in goal is change of political social, whatever change it says we're trying to drive goal. well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking, so put me into journalism. i think what drives use key for unless it talks like it's a call him like this is like, i will see you in jail for ronald doesn't have seen joe, but he has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the actual needs of the i was because yes, no good job. you'll be nominated for an emmy. yeah. but that's not why this is

because i didn't. that's nice. yeah. go unable to sleep, which we've had done a lease, we know awards, i'm lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel in. right? so we don't know what you want to know of what's happening. story about the floods that it doesn't speak right? so i don't actually going personally deciding ok, i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people look like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face. that's what you want to do, then what you need to consider, why you're what's to what extent do you need to be on this like you like the attention of the accolades or you know, what i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself, i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, go now. so for me, i mean, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just i had a brother who was i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the i mean was going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to buy from the tv shows about this, the big spring. so you know, practices use in practice. so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't,

but we don't see joe ninety's. these don't people to engage and they just say you're not cvc, don't know to do johnny's in the don't got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not on the outside for you. we should try to overcome distributions. i mean is not a bond, was, is not something that we kind of speak about what she says, let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that . now guys, the news is your right. an us last but not least. so am i lance? part of my jen. i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know there was seamless and that come again i will to lend from the bbc world news apart from that the ged pulled off. i think the guys me, as i was so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves the question. when we get into us, piece of that, how do i ensure that i get the bottom? and so jen, again, i see a, you full trans,

i see the youth and i want to emphasize that is that the advertising just, i was tired of the roots in system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards small activism and i don't see any line of them and activities on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience at the beginning of this debates, we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just prop mikaela. so when you try to find the sun, thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of move and the usual. think thing. see if and you'll find a list for that insightful debate. as always, you can check out the long of lesson of that debate on our youtube channel and speaking of channels, you left us a few comments on no facebook page telling us what press freedom means to you. the

1st one is party for p. campbell, who sees press freedom is not press freedom when the use of it abuse it. the jays have become journalist, social media. we thought verification has become a source of news. the 2nd comment from sally berry in new sees, i don't like, nor do i take news. you know, a country seriously because it is propaganda and they don't address or issues time king george sees every country has a short it citizens, freedom of speech. it's actually the freedom after the speech that is not available . and the last comment for today's show is from emmanuel coy, receive press freedom is important because this is the only way, time or opportunity you have to read slot issues of national and international concern. thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. we always appreciate it. and now press freedom is

a very important topic, but it's a lot to take in. so we're going to wind down with a visit to livingstone in, via and we've go to a very on to a guide. okay. claudia was sewn to, to show us around, prepared to be blown away by the smoke. that event is, which is what the locals called the great victoria falls. i'm sure livingstone will, will you, with its people nature and a history enjoy. my name is the best the beach claudia was sunday. the 25 year old arrived in livingston 5 years ago. she wants to become the 1st female safari guide from her village, and livingston is not just that beautiful my capital, but also its tourism hub. named off the scottish explorer and the missionary doctor

david livingston, the 1st european to see and document the impressive victoria falls in 18. 55. ok, please obvious. most famous sign cloud you a takes us to the age of this m b, the river. this is called the poignant part of the world. the spot for young life books to get to gauge livingstone happens to be so insomnia. and is this for the victoria? we have a lot to lay on people resisting the pause every a. and it's really amazing to see because that it's one of the 7 that's one that's of the world. one average, 1000000 liters of 4 to cascade down. victoria falls. every single 2nd. does she, a spectacle evokes a sense of awe and wonder locally, though they are known as most the what tooth for the smoke that fund.

and i believe when i went on god or in the next stuff, these livingston's very old national park, just 10 minutes drive from the city center. we meet some of the cloud use the most special friends, the highly endangered white or square lipped rhinoceros. once thousands of ryan knows one to the plains of this, that'd be the river, but poaching has decimated then i'm. but today the livingston ryan knows us so precious that they are called it 247. this is the only place in the country, livingstone, where you get to see the rhino. so during call read, we had through a newborn babies. and now we've got females, 2 of them, which i expecting the numbers that multiplying. it's really, really good news from protecting africans most endangered animals to hosting

a having the southern african trade hub and to being the gateway to one of the world's most famous sites. livingston has it all and that's what i saw for this week. we've shown you how young off weekends are using different forms of story tending to make the voices hot and report on what's happening around them. have they inspired you to do something similar. we'd love to hear your stories to connect with those on social media. you can find the 77 percent on youtube, instagram and now on take talk. you know, the deal by now. i'm going to leave you with something we'll be with it for here is found. the great. we've had truck energy featuring nadeem, d, b c. thanks so much for watching and caught you in a late to show bye for now. realize all the time we lose

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