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day. that's what awful. well, i guess i'm very usually around 5 am 12 because i really need to make this noise. and the only way for me to incorporate exercise into my schedule is to head out in the morning. otherwise, something always ends up getting in the way. the one that happens when i would like it for a junk. that's how i get to what the doctor is. so that's usually a bit before 6. i'm the office. i usually run around 5 or 6 kilometers personally. then i feel better if i ready for whatever my work day will bring on it. i feel grounded, and i thought about what needs doing of sets priorities. and what my day will look like. a couple of assistance on my mom. it's mindy my on monday, montana. i'm head to going to college and all the tricks that vehicle is to victoria hospice and brandon king and i have 5 children, so i'm kinda the

yeah, it's fun. have definitely don't look very unique and leave earlier in the afternoon . than most normal department chest, otherwise i wouldn't say my children, the tool and to finish really not the discount, but especially when it comes to a quantity which makes real strength nice. but i still had 20 or 25. young women have a feeling of equality and fine launch. that's true. and that's good. depending on should come big goals and mutual changes, having what they have children and suddenly find themselves thrown back to the kind of role they sold a month as old grandmothers take on and become which they never had imagined for themselves to be busy. also provide for substitute scrimmage, armstrong, spelling,

and so, and then i want to change the rules of the game when attached to. so it's easier for my daughter's feeling as part of the this is similar, this is, this is for the house hall. i'm wonder to being a full time housewife that somebody or i can't really identify ways i wish they are it. and if it's the income issue, i loved being a time my daughter estimate for the not 100 percent just hung up with and elastic

a business. and the fund asked me to my was 26 when i took my 1st management job, we use the i was the youngest on the team. it was a relatively diverse chain, but they were more men and women. and i always knew i wanted children, but it was low my off at that point that my son invites, i've done it's been done on sandra. i'm a manager for an energy business which has a team of 46 people. and my daughter was 2 an odd. yeah. the

good man, he didn't, i never wanted to put the break. so my 3 a to have a family he for me, the problem, the spa can i always you over do boasted wants isn't see how it goes hungry stuff, right. i get the . ringback i get it just before 6 to wait the children, we get the school bags ready the night before. my husband makes the sandwiches and i get the children have to spend. most people were planning on the school bus to come. that was in bed called been caught and gala

and got out a nickel amc vice president has a charge talk to telecom and i have 4 children. hello, lovely to hear your voice. i just wanted to check that everything worked out this one. i need to have to show my counselor from a just one thing. can you take a look? the daycare rang and wants to set up a meeting about katie installed to bruno from kenya for us office. my early thirty's was super stretched on talk to somebody. so that because i thought i had to do it one step at a time, then i realized i knows you're childbearing is a to show for that one. so you have to find a different way to combine things under the form. gave them the so convenience don't have to disconnect and pull this up to the offices and then it doesn't, doesn't live still the same process,

the distribution now between now i want children, i want to korea and i can make it work. so mitch, my, my, i always knew i'd be a working mom working mom as little just to see my child in the career. i always knew i wanted to go and get me in line. i flushed and i'm kind of how it on dpi safety. so a woman is around sewage hill, so who's been running for leadership role always has that fall back with the bosses think she might have kids and it disappeared and i was paid springs based on my google. i became a mother late, a thomas 40 the full that i did sometimes think cruise own thing now is not a good time. it's positive, missed the i forget when we decided to have a child, i was the middle management side image of

a management i was in my life, i at least as a thoughts as to my to consolidate these cutting lyons, the system. when i became pregnant dot, i 1st went to my boss, my direct supervisor fume to talk about how we wanted to proceed by some, via the device by java, one monday, as i hoped, he'd be happy for me. and that we'd be on the same page and for you to be specific . and also when i come back off to woodson, pick up where we left off for coming and also to somebody on on the holidays and doing the bid. his reply was, when of course you'll be replies enough with it. and if a woman has a baby had priorities shift and she might not want to continue in this role to knock on his medicine for that was or and i was pretty shocked us in the list. and

as my furniture kid, my knew i was surprised by how my co sign is responding to the news. news. it wouldn't be through the acute as though it's supposed to shun the soonest. the guy said sign them. and when i told them i was pregnant, they said to me, i have been unfortunately you trying to ruin us, which was going in a sense of sort of course, as especially towards the end of my pregnancy, when i have them big valley meetings sitting there and those management to meetings with lots of men whom i was surprised to see how old would some of the men were hired by some one good governance and not a good time. click start off cuz i think it was like they thought, well, she'll go on leave and won't come back. i wasn't invited to meetings. even when they had to do with my work was my team have a tough and hot. the i haven't gotten a computer from the start,

i knew i wanted to stay in my job is that it is controlled by the into the, you know, i understand that my mind was kind of opens the size of the me clicking via the question was the phone, how do we get from i'm going to, i'm coming back that are in the and i to everyone from my c i o to the director of human resources to the head of the wood council. all living phones on, on the back of my suggestion was to interview and external inter manage in terms minutes to cost plus i don't know which is what we did and that's how we cover doesn't fit inside. the number 2 dies as having my money close. i also asked my husband, how do we want to handle him?

born and he's question a lot these as to how do you want to handle it. happening on my face said it was up to me. i high school. he said dr. blatt's stay at home for as long as you feel you need to be there for out trying to conduct sign um, but i know you can get us a carefully and decide advisor on that. so he says, father, i'm thinking invest in different m. how does it have to always free to make my own decision as it is for support and ups, and we'll just be king as a button, we never consider switching role to speed you while a company i go back to work right away and he stays the time and that's awesome, but why not? in all as soon as i didn't want that to get that might be not for somebody's osman, why they don't take directionally as an 8 or a longer leave. they say i comp time, so there's no one to replace soon. as i miss time,

that kind of that's nice. mm hm. but somehow, oh that's, that's a truth women. and just because they didn't have my male colleagues would spend too much on parental leave. they've come back and a short time later they get to promotions because of the car and guns custodian, they never have to wonder. and what is it a good time, or, you know, these type of stuff music when it comes to men's and women's careers, children of the dividing line fall, and canyon. is this connecting emma women stay at home for awhile and then continue to look. and then of course, get ahead of women, the onions calling for biopsy, and even if they're not in the 5 that have more experience yet because they don't lose time 5, the here we get in terms of visual to who

who attends. so you always trying to share parental leave and oh oh, have my husband take some leave of that control lesson by then with my last baby, i was only out for 2 months more cash for it was hard because i was a ready department and i brought my baby to the hospital with me for quite a while. i'm for now. comes of my life. yeah. i'm just going to get the house. okay . help. i'm a funding to help diesel. one of my friends was retired and she came to the hospital to take care with the baby, and i feel for him like go to surgery, to come back to know it was kind of getting frustrating. but i've heard plenty of stories of people in med and especially maintenance and you are discriminated against if they take leave for including please, threats of dismissal. desktop from one to one pipeline will have to offer it on my phone. and i told his boss about taking parental leave them to they were outraged

football phones or yours kind of why didn't i take for him to leave a good question the semester. i didn't need it. i wanted to keep watching a strange that sound shop. and when i had my baby and a week later, i still good by the s, and i just want to see the best my 1st, which is a bit more difficult. but then i put you in a baby carrier and took every way to the accountant. the lawyer warehouse, but the truck inside the by a little slow for his that so my supervisor contacted me during leave and said, causing just having a departmental meeting. do you want to come to call me a when i switch? i said i'd love to, but i have to bring my son of mine. so and it almost i'm going to as well. it's about the central thinking and apartment. she said no problem. i felt that took courage 11 years. it goes on something of the thinking and that's how i found

myself at work with a 3 month old zone. i'm dr. none that you're finding sure to chop them up discussions i still felt like i was being seen had i had to stay in things. so that was inspiring and encouraging the other few too much sense the start looks well the end of my pregnancy i showed for a week and then took the results to the board. how we work, why we went just to show he is someone who loves the children, but also loves to work and make a difference of it. so she's the, is locked in and want to be on the 12th. so she may come duty officer to meet that special sofa. the trip mentioned

in the dimensions, cuz she, they have asked me if it gets some water from us. i understood and wouldn't go down there to, to see me back as soon please sign into or give us a to me because i do need a bit of flexibility because my schedule isn't entirely under my controls of the business line. there's other players to consider as close as you come into some of the commodities. wonderful alicia player at the tool telling somebody we have a family kind of dealt with all of our appointments, personal and professional, and i think it's sort of my mazda for so my husband can immediately see, oh, kind of car is on a business trip. she has an appointment and also she's working late and he does the same time. i try to be as moving ice as possible to make it easier to deal with the unexpected. daycare is closed, a child gets sick to see you comp plans to everything. that's life, but this gives me time to respond. well, you know, the kids solitude in the guns puts up instead of took the other one

out and got us before christmas because some of sponsors might give you a new phone key and get us up. suspicious place. yeah, let them mutant to me and that we should side to incidents on call home visit tomorrow to okay. then let me so i'm gonna even this was the ok you submitted is reading offline more home law for this one, the types of money. and that's, that's why that's of interest. i can look into the financing a career and family doesn't mean you neglect one of them quite the opposite. you spend a lot of time and energy orchestrating the perfect sign of also castillo thinking. sometimes you want me to spend more time with your child and something explodes it, well that i have to deal with them cuz that's when i often reach my little much them on the comes from 5 to 5 sites and both parents work full time and you have 2

children and one child gets sick. who goes to thomas and both you and your husband say you can't. we don't want to say that would be a big argument, but it's about sticking out your role. and of course, i had to fight for space for what i do for me to does less is gustavo and defendants. he committed in does it so one done, does he finish today or in the middle of a meeting? can you see a cold coming in from daycare all the time? ok. step house. i'm good and you told your son ahead of forward and the playground for unfortunately is some of the that's the moment when you're responsible for 20 or 30 co cuz it's a meeting for the and also for your side, what are the for these different and photos how v to minds on, on to that is the fish, the, it's hard to have to say i come pick up my child. i mean, amazing in a meeting, i don't know 50 kilometers away to extend. i'm not just 5 minutes away. then do or tough. the

of the and the house phone, if i'm gonna talk to organizations a lot of challenges organizing your work day so that you have time to take care of your children, impact the 20th when you're at work all day and in medicine has a lot of meetings take place in the afternoon. i'm going to the department head meetings were between 5 and 7 pm when i 1st took my post. yeah, hold on. if i have jeff, ask them for advice assessment right down to the law. i used to sit there and think i have to go home. i don't have times a casual, chit chat, as much as i do enough to for my car broke down to pulling numbers. come hold on, let me explain the guns and guns common list to me, the rules of the game. i made mine and for them. and then the men who are older and

we don't have children will have children. someone else takes care of must be usually the wife wants things they don't have to worry about getting dinner on the table or filling the friendship as nothing tush or will they still think whose comfort your sons, who do i am 20 to 3. i've done most of my work so well go home at 3 or 4 depending to take care of my children. the deposit of my question was, was there no tentative to returning to work full time? which to me was out as the question was before some of the sons of arkansas, the fee is like my mom. sometimes that's all depending next it's under new. she wanted to be at home part time in the beginning to care for aliya and to be honest, i didn't ask myself in that same question as it was, and i think it would have been really difficult in my position. um, we know the clients that progressive as well because while we're talking about

combining work and family for women, the conversation isn't quite as far along when it comes to men and some units of all of us. and then i see this because i'm on the slide, the reason why not because i don't know, it's the most ardent i'd say because of history and traditional roles. the scale, the is good. my company doesn't have a single top manager who works part time and then google and manage the entire sites. maybe they don't think they can make it. what could i expect us to on how to stuff it into for blood and inside central funk. and then i went home and has a baby regardless of whether she's a manager of a company, usually ask for something, how do you want to handle things when you come back, come part time before how much time nobody fills up with man. it's been screwed from the on the it would be good if we hold that to think about what we really want . that requires a change and thank you. across the board. women and families would have to think about what their ideal scenario would you be?

an employee is would have to have the courage to try something on the use of the health dental and the 9 big i'll be on my laptop. and so i don't suppose it to entire screen, but i know time and i share my departments management position with a ton them top now to my basic model is that we each work 30 hours a week. so 75 percent of a regular full time job about this jump sharing solution was done by my career decision i ever made was best nice because it's what made it possible to combine with family 5 has to be done on the 2 foot in the den finest estimated between we still have to figure out how child care and that wasn't so easy. you know, it was one of the heard almost at the beginning, the soonest. i'm in and take a neat gift. bon. we applied to 18 different jacobs. i think it's really not as we have to go to interview yeah, flush the display,

we registered on various oh phones and the like. we had to turn our lives inside our system. it doesn't even if that did put a damper on things phones, we still did the baby around, but yeah, and be so good. and i know he is on hold on to the mama for the on the screen. often vig miss comes on us, but i just by me knew not how it does and what another side came back as soon supplies. this dies down no more. i see. so, more than once out. oh, yeah. yeah. in essence, declines less the invitation for the stake. yes. but we had to aaliyah was mooning . suddenly there they said that could change our switched off that oscar stopped.

that finishes this time, such as soon as you have any right now, you are lucky to get any spots a tool like you can't even really ask yourself, what is the place like which might isn't right for me and my child properties of the concept from you and so put my can throw into ty, electric acts, then there were no daycare spots at all in aust, filled in orange to got for children under 3, you know, and i understand how to ties. they had agreed to work 30 hours a week and had no daycare has enough time to switch on shore. i looked around for childcare and then i met 2 other women in the new subdivision where we lived. same situation. um yeah, but you can access it to it. so what happened was, within 2 months, um we teamed up with instead of a private corporation and hired a child care with, regardless of whether it's good fun to keep it out. and how many mines in the end we were 14 women, you know, on the end of august, that was the 1st child care for under 3 year olds. and also the one that i nearly good in all sit on. you haven't someone to protest. we tried to establish a daycare in that community owns and where they were a bunch of different stuff,

helping him on because he lives in. but we kept changing grove loveseat as of this is because even find a property where you can set up a daycare and the key tech wouldn't. and so could to me, i could be in china. i've seen how important it is to have reliable childcare. that's true. the key on the bus was, was the ones i'm wondering what else we even decided where to live based on that. so as to when we 1st looked for daycare and then looking for a house, i knew we needed to optimize our community team in the the,

the best and fun hobby's wonderful list. i did wonder if i was asking too much of it and she was very little when she started the daycare he took, you're gonna laugh, she not the 8 meals a lot of time away with some of his house. even a year old feeder, big fun to house the, the how to indian movement. i'm sometimes i did feel guilty and it's good law and i felt like i missed something important. for example,

when he learned how to ride his band and spike. and he was pretty good on it and it wasn't, that would be moments devised me. so. but yeah, these are the moments when you realize there are limits of the compatibility of korea and the family mind and those moments i'm sad more and we always leave top off at a script in my files. and there were times when i wondered whether i was doing the right thing to stick a big. and by my times when i felt torn, and i thought i couldn't concentrate on one thing who wished ish, which of, i'm constantly on this. and i think of this and the feeling guilty is just part of it from, from day one. i'm it shut off on the top to end up when my daughter was a teenager, she said to me, you're never here anyway. i'm going to, it's moments like that that make you think. thank me. oh, i buy something. i think that when you noticed it's working and going well. no,

and this also good for me and by season you know, if you don't i think she sense is that and it works. um, so the limited amount of how to read the or as enough more when i picked her up off the daycare. i spend about 4 hours with her, sometimes maybe half an hour late around about 4. i believe it was a roundabout funeral. we spend the rest of the day together doing something fun, goldman or whatever. we're up to an hour, not on time stuff. and if there's a problem, the children come 1st for that's very important to, to have this didn't look like as long as they know that they're fine. come, then you can say, no, sorry, right now i have to with, i am is this visitors. but if you really need something,

and i'm here for you and cause with this off, as might have talked, i gave them it. i my daughter handles it pretty well, naturally is good enough for us. there are times when she needs me more and demands more on my mind. i basically it's completely normal for mama to go to work foundational. my, that's my, my job. i think infinity knows i'm vastly so countries and i'll wait in the evening . he comes and says, mama, i know you always asked me, and i say you can come to me with anything. i love to have, of course, not always for any time. that's what we do say with any thing to see if i have to own in my private life, i do sometimes get the scenes people's thoughts of assistance that were going on here. don't you love your child? things like that. so which ones are boy i said, the classic ones on when we were trying to set up a daycare. we also went to the local council mind that if he came a real political issue on that as a struggle, the age of a mental, i'm older man on the counselor said to us, if you're going to have children,

stay home and take care of them, i could not in my reply was, well, i didn't have these children all by myself. i already cannot. is there any try line up in non kinda got that will be too late and the daycare because they said, how can you raise a child if you can't even be flexible without a pointing ability to find him even with the idea and can smash on c as in max, but it was a bit strange to hear from this one for the with the jump like this. so i wasn't considered capable of raising a child or to keep costs. let's see the tighter my the, my new role. i'll also be on the ship advisory board and the phone that will be new, somebody to pick in the device. every new job is its own john. you never really know what it really entails, and every move upward like that as well. so challenges you guys in about 4

and wanted to get it done inside consort. he was on parental lead for a number of months. and jane came back to the company in a high position with very different duties. a lot more responsibility for staffing that has a lot more international responsibility fund 4 to buses, media time kind of what i can do is provide insights into the work at the top level from a variety of different perspectives in her new role on the supervisory board. with the other codes, cuz i don't know if i can answer questions and get her on her way to have this. i don't on the often big team just giving you the offsets lots of soon clusters like poor thing ties and gibson. it was important to end up liking the side of the buses, buses on sped to, to the not the front of the buses of such a tire shop class at a set of tickets

a real opportunity. but you have to approach it with respect even a bit of humidity to this as part of top management, you're in a position of influence. so does that mean less time for your family? for me? yeah, i'll stick with this as kind of extend, charles. but at the end of the day, i have to make sure it all gets done in the closet. as most mazda you also nascar, how do you managed to with the children's mcdonough office on? never asked that sort of fox one boy. sometimes i say what about my husband? he just said before i go to, he was also constantly on the road, but no one ever called him an awesome and what about your children? and then i see a hard and opportunity even today. when i say i'm traveling for work or working on an exciting project, people often ask me a comment about your child to lease the progress and best must do with the kids. and then i say they usually just locker in the basement with them, so they invest the estimate, the

piece for stealing as parents were teens. my husband often he is things like, well, with that woman on the side with her emissions. you're going to have to take it back seats, those kinds of comments devalue men 2 off of me and on the other side, i also get comments like causing what if your child's crying and you know, that sounds like my child has a solve a to list of the comments on just directed at me, my husband and, and how we organize our family. there's always judgment on investment. what makes a good mazda a good father? good caramels. yeah, that's like some students and doesn't know that you do feel guilty before especially fast because that's the kind of somebody to to said mama one night was the last i wanted to get picked up from daycare. i had to explain to your parents both enjoy watching is kind of gives us like the life we have to get this over to them because of leaving be leaving

the shuttle so good for what types i did worried that people would judge me. the system just kinda swim said that i didn't put my children fast set, so it just didn't. and i put my own needs on the same level is last, let's design y'all's class and who is it that to encourage this, i've moved to for the docs and alcoholism and how it helps to have women friends and working mothers to talk to. i was toast and when you hear that women who work less and spend more time at home, have their own problems. you realize you just have to do what's right for you. that's fine and begin was wasn't always trying to find that happy medium between family and book this it was it and that's success. when we managed to bring my 2 sides into harmony height, so then we can sleep well at night. have come down the

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arch and matches rather than the important one. and then having a network is essential, feel, korea, it gives you support and encouragement and inspiration and ideas for problem solving. well, you don't have to do it on your own just on the line and lose the customer can be so much like was booked for 7 30 tomorrow morning, captains for me. but my husband has to be at the office at an 8 tomorrow generations. so i'm flying home to nearly all the gifts from my children are part of the package i've grown and matured so much because systems and they've made me who i am in the pony. my children aren't an obstacle to my career. i've grown along with my children and so it was my career and mitigation them all

the paper i'm come should give the best quote as far as find me sales. so i shouldn't be exclusive that i think is missing and i things not in front of my name is who owns of unified us in mental issue and tried. my goal is to make decisions deliberately and try them. for example, i like to high a month is big because i know that they face the same challenges, but the only day in the shop. i'll click on done, i'm very busy, i could send out and they have to get the work done by the end of the day we're going to, i'm going to satisfy, i'm listening so often on the demo or efficiency that's sort of the, the mention of fits into albertson them, i'm coming along with my question issue and long office you. are you able to go next to the home and come in. okay. yeah. time. can you hear me

this santo? so i can, the last one is for curious in my, in the email as well. i'll take another look at my emails and if everything's under control and he'll go home. i'm planning to bank something with the children this evening thinking uh unless the vin, if it came down to me and i'd rather hire a $100.00 even if she slightly less qualified on pay topic. some people grow with their responsibilities and you have my choice. would be to support someone who really needs that support in our society, and somebody needs people who support women who do support from others. so until we reach equality and we were a long way from that to unfortunately same items hands. the

judge occasion starts with the role models. usually we don't service role models. how will our daughters know what's passing? alice murphy, my inclusive, which is my greatest hope is that one day we'll have mothers in the workforce by monday it will be totally normalized for them. to save from time to time. sorry, i have to leave this meeting because i have to go pick up my daughter. well, my son, irish, do you mind to talk to just keeps even more than that. so i talked to him mentors say that team sucks him off and man on the fact to, to cut me off cuz that i've always said, i'm not joining your supervisor, people just the status to be the token moment for the public forwarding. how of the bottom of this case as museum spice. i'm doing this for my goal. so mandatory stand by tv says that it will be different by the mountain that's i get as i'm then found as agents in my life as richer for it. so i shall, i can't imagine my life without my children or my job. one of my trouble must come

down and makes my life more complete. having those 30 caring for the children wouldn't work for me. i need the challenge foldable. i my baby, my life is definitely enriched and it makes me happy. i'm clear. what more is that? that's how it should be. yeah, that's true to all the shifts your guide to life in the digital world. to explore the latest online trends, navigate your way through the digital jungle. get a global perspective, will be your guide and show you what's possible. to decide what really matters to you. shift. in 15 minutes on d, w. on the trail of a, not the highest v,

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