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the, the, you're watching the to be news coming to live from berlin. you praying the thanks, denmark for at 16 fighter jets presence, a landscape praises the denmark, solidarity and help in the struggle against russia as denmark and another one's sledge long awaited western war plains to help these war efforts. also coming up with the show, a human rights work report says saudi border guards killed. hundreds of ethiopian trying to process into saudi arabia from gamut. says the act could constitute a crime against humanity. at 1st time champions in women's world cup celebrate in australia. after the sweet strikes that sent spanish fans into raptures,
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the single goals and england out and crowned spain, the new champions of the world, the hello, i'm clear. richardson, thank you very much for joining us. russia has condemned to denmark. decisions provide as 16 fighter jets to ukraine, saying the move will escalate the conflict. this comes as president board and there's a landscape visits copenhagen, so thank the country for its solidarity. both another lens and denmark have agreed to provide the us made war planes to strengthen ukraine's efforts to repel russia's invasion. so as he met with danish prime minister meta frederickson and inspected the 16 fighter jets, the 1st aircraft are expected to be in ukraine by the end of this year or so landscape later addressed the danish parliament,
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calling their decision historic and powerful. thank you, denmark for your solid daughter to thank you for your help. all they have provided to ukraine. thank you for couples. ross and so phrase. thank you. caesar's last parts. brad less drones. yes, they afraid drones and artillery and thank you. thank you for the mining machines. all this solvers free them service in this very moment sulvas' to protect people's lives. where do you defend people's rights to live? you are joined by others who valeo live and this makes you together invincible. and
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i thank you, denmark for helping you brain to become invincible. let's get across the dw correspondence and nato expert terry shoals. she's been covering the story for us from brussels. terry, we saw there zalinski addressing the parliament. he said any minute now to also give a speech to the danish public. what's your take away from his visit so far? hi claire. yes, i was just watching pictures of president zelinski is a speech which is about to begin and in the in denmark and it's absolutely packed in front of him. there are thousands of people standing there waving danish and ukrainian flags, so his support is clearly high in denmark and you heard earlier in that sound bite . so he said thank you, over and over again. and this to me is a reminder that he came. he came in for some criticism of the vilnius summit in july from allied leaders who felt that he wasn't showing enough gratitude because he kept asking for more and more weapons all the time. so he certainly is taking
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that to heart. the other thing he said to me in the speech this morning was that he think denmark for not giving into fear. and that is fear of perhaps perhaps rushing retaliation is. and as you mentioned, russia has already come out and criticized the danish decision to send the 16. so that's something that is always in the minds of countries who do choose to support ukraine. and let's talk about these fighter jets to surely one of the things is zalinski is thanking them for um, they're not expected to arrive for several more months. can you give us a sense of how they might be expected to turn the tide on the battlefield? this is new claim has been asking for these fighter debts since the beginning and as, as you know, and as we've seen earlier with other weapon systems, including the tanks, for example, he was told to know when was sold, he will never get them. and now of course, he's managed to change the minds of allied leaders and, and to give the jet. and it's unclear and you, if this is enough to, to turn the tide. no single weapon systems will,
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will be enough on his own. but certainly russia has cleared air superior already, they're just pummeling ukrainian villages, ukrainian civilians. and i think that that's one of the things that ukraine has said it really needs to have because it simply has no weapons of the caliber of the, the russian fighter jets at the moment. the terriers you've mentioned throughout the war, there have been concerns, but each round of sending military support could of the anti and risk outsize russian retaliation. do you think this shows that nato has now weighed those concerns to arrest? well, certainly of the kremlin hopes that nato allies will be deterred by fears that russia will retaliate any. and they certainly always say that they will have to take reciprocal measures. but, i mean, let's emphasize again, that nato is not involved in the war in ukraine. these are individual countries that are giving support to ukraine to fight, to fight the war. so that we don't, you know, play into the, sort of a russian narrative on this. but by,
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by denying you crane these higher level weapon systems, you haven't seen russia hold off on any of its attacks, particularly on civilians. and so i think that what leaders, the conclusion that leaders are coming through is that russia is going to give us all against ukraine. russia is going to take these measures committing what many people feel are war crimes even without sending these weapon systems. so it's time now to give everything we have to ukraine to help to defend itself on, on that note. um, it's worth mentioning that in the united states and also here in germany, public support for military aid does appear to be flagging some. what do you think that is going to be a concern to nato allies, or it certainly will be a concern if the one of the biggest providers, i mean, the biggest provider of a to create in the united states comes to the conclusion that it can to keep up this level of support and that's something that i think there, everyone is very worried about heading into the election season in the united states because some, some republicans are saying they don't believe as much money should be spent on
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assisting ukraine. there are these, these uh, you know, messages going out, why are we doing this for ukraine? what does that mean to us? and this is certainly going to be elevated during the election season. so i think that the bind in ministration, which very much does want to help keep, is probably feeling the, the timeline pressure right now to try and get some of these advanced weapons deals done before they really have to move into election season. well, thank you. as always for your great reporting back is our 1st funding thresholds. well, the news agency, a s p says russia has carried out airstrikes on a syrian level based in england province. the u. k. base theory and observatory for human rights said at least 8 fighters from the g as low as integral high out to here are some, were killed in the attack. the group controls waves of the province. one of the last areas still holding out against president for charlotte central. while those strikes are just the latest intervention by russia, moscow has spent almost
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a decade helping the sides bridging fight. a civil war that has killed more than 350000 people. in july, the kremlin, blocked humanitarian a to revel held it live province in the countries northwest home to hundreds of thousands of internally displaced syrians anger and russia. in a live, syria is last. rebel held enclave used to get here across the border from turkey. moscow recently used it's un vito to block the route. most goes like a said regime has long considered the route a violation of its sovereignty. it wants any aid going to rebel held territories to go through the regime in damascus. the people living in it live to eat had been a lifeline. one they don't want under the control of their enemies. we've been displaced to the comforts because it rushes injustice and ex site imposed by it on the side regime. we for the rest and came here,
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most goes military support for us. it is still clear. it carried out air strikes and it live just a few days before this protest, damascus. and moscow has claimed that there strikes only target insurgent groups. but local, say, 3 civilians died here. the number we're working very hard and calling for an end to these attacks to prevent the loss of lives, injury and the spread of talent and panic among civilians in the north western region of syria, unplug the amount of studio versa. begin. air strikes like this in 2015 to support said when he was losing control of large areas of syria to rebels. since then, your power has been credited for aside survival. russia has also boosted the syrian armed forces by sending wagner mercenaries to fight along side. the analysts have also observed parallels between military tactics used in syria and ukraine.
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for example, the brutal bombing and siege of a level a scenario that then later played out in mer you pulled in return. russia has gained a strong strategic foothold in the middle east and a vocal supporter of its narrative about ukraine. and so it has called pollutants invasion, a correction of history. the situation for civilians in rebel controlled and look is similar to that for people in crane. and yet, the western responds is significantly different. ukrainian forces resisting russia continue to receive support. and it live many feel for god, a band and and the other side isn't so loud in full, a 1000000 displaced people as threatened by new war of hunger and danger. for now, they feel they have no recourse but to continue protesting. in hope that one day their voices will be heard. for more,
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i'm joined now in the studio by kristin hell berg, a journalist who has written extensively on syria, thanks so much for taking the time to speak with us. let's fill out the geo politics of this 1st. can you help us understand a little bit more why syria is so important to russia? well, celia is g o. strategically very important place in the middle east because the life between turkey and the arrow bold life between iran and eastern and submitted to me. so how also, 12 years ago, she was the last ally of russia in site. the middle east and russia has used the 12 years of war to build 2 military bases within syria. and so syria makes marks the, the only excess of russia to the middle east, limited tween, sorry to the east submitted to reunion, which means she can control the south on flank of the nato from its naval base in tough to yeah, the coastal syria. so this is strategically the big picture here. yeah, absolutely. see the geographic importance of it in that sense. um, what about this humanitarian situation that we've just seen a little bit about in that report to have a sense of who this is going to benefit?
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is there a political winner as bad as it sounds to say that from seeing this that the definitely is behind us? that is the winner of this game over the summer that we've just seen. because putting what you did is he saved a sock, maybe terribly, to help him regain control of the, the big areas within syria. that headphone under position control afterwards. now he's interested in working on his rehabilitation internationally. so what we saw over the summer for exactly into the strategy, putting himself blocking the humanitarian cross border 8 in the security council while afterwards giving special assets and the momentum to say okay guys, do kind of do this for the security council. i will allow cross border 8 now from my side, making looked like somebody who cast voice people, although we have a long track record on how he's using that you may need to in 8 for his own group on power. yeah. do you, i mean, do you think that's been effective? is he being rehabilitated? izzy. successful with this kind of messaging in any quarters? it already is working on, regionally,
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he has been re admitted to the ever leak and springs. so it is working out we have seen a turkey tourist president lansing that he wants to meet with us. all set us up. she's very reading short. he asked the, took his president to withdraw all its troops from c r, which is something that took it at the moment, cannot accept because he wants to resettle sewer in refugees in the turkish comfortable territories in northern syria. so it's complicated, but aside, definitely feels reassured and is on a s and on a good path from his point of view. now, one of the reasons i'm so glad you could join us to speak with us today is obviously the war and ukraine has largely pushed syria out of global news headlines . has it also effected the resources that russia is able to devote a to its interest in syria wind at the beginning of the one ukraine rush, i had to withdraw some, a tech class from syria, very practically because this was the main support for the time that she was the area support from the russian air force. but, and what you see now is obviously that neither russia nor iran were on the boat.
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the too big support of the official. also the able to stabilize the country because of what the sean needs most is money. he needs financial aid. he needs nomic support for his ruined country. and both of them are in battled themselves. they fall under by some title, so they cannot help this. so in the end, everybody's waiting for money from the gulf, countries from saudi arabia, from the united arab emirates, which is not materializing so far. mm hm. i just wanna ask you about a report. this just come out this month from the institute for the city of war. they're saying that russia is coordinating with both of us, obviously, and also with iran to expel us forces from syria. a. do you agree with these, with this reports findings? now, some interesting science here, and we need to understand why the us is celia in the 1st place. they are having 900 troops in north east syria to help the student democratic forces to fight isis. this is cementing one of the very few foreign policy successes i'll see you as to
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in the last 2 years, which was the defeat devices. so they out there not to fight a thought not to fight the wrong before space, but to fight isis. know this line of contact between the us and the staff on one side and the ranges, russians, and the sitting room on the other side was never like a hot line of conflict. both sides always tried to not attack or not being driven into some direct confrontation. now what you're seeing now is that the radians and the russians and the seem of trying to create an atmosphere and hostile at most viewed to the us troops ended as or in the eastern part of the country. so you might see attacks by local communities against us troops because they are spreading rumors that the u. s. are trying to innovate really territories. they are spreading . who was that there might be a chemical attack by us forces will be the old homeless to try to create this hostile environment against us troops and to make them withdrawing the from student . why? because this would be the end of curtis autonomy. normally serious ne,
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you is very important. it has the few, a few natural resources, the gas, the oil there. so will be such as he needs to control this area. he wants to take back this area gradually, and the us forces are the only live saving the people that are following our way of a guess of this stuff administration. so this would be the final a to the end, curtis autonomy and to begin control of the whole of ne, syria. well, thank you so much for joining us in the studio to share your expertise. that is kristen. how's like, we really appreciate your time. thanks to you to well elsewhere in the middle east, human rights watch has accused saudi arabian border guards of killing hundreds of ethiopians since march 2022. and your report by the andrea will legend, the saudi troops have systematically carried out mass killings of migrants and asylum seekers at the many saudi border. guards are said to us even use explosives
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. saudi arabia has previously denied allegations of killings and tremendous hurrying rights abuses, bias border guards, thousands of migrants, mostly from ethiopia, travel through yemen to reach saudi arabia each year. so let's speak to the author of this report from human rights watch is nadia hardman. thank you. so much for taking the time to speak with us. can you tell us 1st about how you put this report together? who were you able to speak to and under what terms? uh uh, thank you so much for having me on your program. um i interviewed uh 42 migrants in asylum seekers who attempted to cross the border between i and march 2022 in june 2023. we did all these interviews remotely because it is impossible for us to access the border region of human and most devices and now stranded inside him. and so some a lot of them with lifelong injuries. um, so yeah, i interviewed them via telephone,
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but also one important thing that we did conduct to digital investigation, which really exposes visually what is happening. we analyzed of a $350.00 videos on photographs which showed that a wounded migraines along the migrant trial. and through satellite imagery were able to plot saudi border guard post all along the border, demonstrating that societies knew or should have known that they were firing on migrants and assigning, so you can send women and kids really. let's talk about little more about that. sorry for jumping in, but i just wanna be clear that our audience understands what exactly we're talking about here. i'm in your report. you described people being fired on by saudi border guards with the explosive weapons at close range. can you tell us what else is contained in this report to i mean it's a, it's an extensive report which sets out, you know, how these kennings, which we say uh, my, uh, widespread in systematic in may amount. so crime against humanity of being conducted. and as you said, you know,
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we've confirmed explosive weapons use because we send images that people send me of the injuries to forensic experts who confirmed that they are consistent with the last one. and fragmentation coming from expose the weapons to generally what we found is hasanti border guards with firing explosives. people said more to projectiles, and they so rocket launch is mounted on top of vehicles um large groups of migrants . and so i'd say, because you know, up to 300 people and people described, you know, killing fields of, of, you know, dead and wounded migrants. as i said, one survivor who was a 14 year old girl said she woke up after passing out and shock. and so people were sleeping around to have that actually was of the dead migraines. and generally small groups trying to across, was faced with shootings by saudi border guards. you know that really quite
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terrible stuff where people said that they were asked what's the name of that body . they wanted to have shots and then they were shocked to that. and then as i said, many people have now lifelong injuries and stranded with limited medical assistance inside young and so i mean those details are really it's showing in the report. i also saw that you have written that many of these people were then liter held in saudi detention. what do you think the idea was behind that? i mean it's, it's difficult really to put ourselves in the minds of the perpetrator here the sun go to god's and um, you know, the authority under which they're acting, answering your question to the authorities. but what we just see is really, you know, um these terrible abuses. i mean, we've been documenting most attentions for years found inside saudi arabia. but this time for use of detention facilities, you know, off to surviving explosive weapons attack. and, you know, potentially a new a current, but definitely the most kidding. so something which is um to on knowledge,
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a deliver escalation, old or the you, when did, and none of these violations, you know, our last year and sent a lot to through special procedures to the saudi authorities on the who's a, to a and the case with by facilitating people's access to the border in the, you know, the saudis, you know, basically deny that this is happening in the report. one thing that stood out to me is, as you say, that you are alleging a shift toward more systematic killings. rather than isolated instances, why is this distinction is so important to and what does your organization calling for in terms of next steps or yeah, i mean it's important because we cite may amounts or crime against humanity and you know, that really raises it to a level of international crime and i, you know, and the fact that it's a passion that we've, you know, it says it's not just the occasional or infrequent, it's randy. so, you know, many people i spoke to described, you know,
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basically the same pass and events being fired on by explosive lessons or shots out . we're quoting immediately for the saudi authorities to component border guards and not target migrant. some asylum seekers, not the 1st and foremost cool and recommendation, and on the international community to put as much pressure as possible. we started ready to just such a good job of deflecting its attention. you know, i of, of, it's a human rights record, but we hope that won't happen in the case of the surrender scribes. i lost the i'd say that we're quoting on the un to establish an un backed investigation, to see if these kennings do actually amount to a crime against humanity. is there a deliberate policy? there seems to be a day hunter, one in place to talk. it migrants and so on and see, cuz if he opens at his border with them. and so thank you so much for taking the time to join us onto the news with that. there's not an argument from human rights watch. thanks a lot bye. it's to california now where tropical storm hillary
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is inundating the west states after wreaking havoc and mexico and the normally very dry area has not experienced such a storm in over 80 years, forecasters are warning a could bring a years worth of rainfall to desert areas tropical storm hillary lashes california as it travels north from mexico's pacific coast in a region prone to drones and wild fires. this storm is a historic weather event and unprecedented. we've had storms before, but never anything quite this windy and rainy at the same time was a big tree that just fell over there. and i probably shouldn't be out here. the state of emergency has been declared in much of southern california in the los angeles area,
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residents have been warned that although the storm is weakening, as it moves inland danger remains, the 1st of the reins is potentially left to come. we will continue with our mission and our primary mission, of course, is to protect the lives of angelenos and their property right now. it is critical that angelenos stay safe and stay home unless directed otherwise by safety officials classes have been cancelled in schools across the region. as millions brace for flash floods and mud slides, the national weather service is warning of potentially catastrophic and life threatening flooding the well, spain have won the football women's world cup for the 1st time. they beat england one no. and the final in sydney, australia took i'm only the 5th nation to hoist the trophy, the 1st time since 2007 that the winters has been european. spain were assured
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their 1st ever ruled gun metal no matter the outcome against england. spain's captain olga cardona struck the 1st blow and the 29th minute caught him on the drill that passed mary hertz giving level her the lead at the break of spain had the chance to double their lead after england's kira was what's called for handle. the video assistant referee, took a while to decide to call, but eventually awarded the penalty spans jennifer her most stepped up with mary hurts made to say, keeping england in the match. england had to choose to level in the waiting seconds of stoppage time, but the ball went straight into the arms of spain's goalkeeper. it cuts a cold with the se, spain, when the women's woke up for the 1st time in their history. and we are for sports correspondent, tom galloway and sydney. he offered his take on spain's victory for the 1st time in
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the history of winning football. spain have been crowned champions of the wilds when these told him and go on the way in early july. so you consider them to be genuine content as part of the $32.00 teams who are here in australia, new zealand, competing for these types of it's spain who have gone the distance and they're the ones out celebrating, hey, on the page behind me. the game plan in tonight's final hearing stadium, australia in sydney was executed perfectly, understand abrasions looks set to go on longer in 7 not was. this is just with been trying to imagine how it would be like to wait and, but i think we're still not aware that we are the champions up the down. well, no false to a spectacular months of football in new zealand. and here in australia, it's spain who travel back to europe, wait a trophy to put in the cabinet a stall to speech on that crest. i'm a new title,
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