story institutions like g 7, the iron mass, all the world trade organization will china and rochester, me think so. depending on who you ask, breaks might be that counter wait. economic a grouping of brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa is holding a, somebody's in johannesburg at the moment. i'm one of the hot topics is expansion. so who wants to join what they get out of it? i'm feel go and by then, and this is the day the so we need to be global partners in upholding global justice. we need to strengthen strategic collaboration and practice true multilateralism tools that the chairs are . the kinds of outlines meets the demands of the so called global majority.

what we want is to establish new mechanisms to create a more equal world regarding political decisions. the g 7 is a club for the rich also coming up the u. s. president of visits, hawaii 2 weeks after america's deadliest wildfire for more than a century, the children are here, degree with you. but also want you to know entire countries here for you. as the high for boy, we mean that welcome to the day leaders of the bricks, group of nations and meeting in johannesburg, presented with russia, india, china, and south africa. how to around 40 percent of the world's population president. that person is not that russia is being represented by foreign ministers. okay. not a problem dismissed, approved to this subject to an international arrest warrant for alleged war crimes

united to versus invasion of ukraine frequently this will discuss if possible expansion of the 5 nation block. so those of us believe china is going to develop a global counter wait to the west and the g 7 group of leading democracies. so here's what some of the leaders have had to say on the subject of expense. when we need to be global partners in upholding global justice, we need to strengthen strategic collaboration, practice true. multilateralism don't promote the expansion of the representation invoice. the southern countries are 5 in global governance. so trying to discuss the status of it. i think it's pretty exciting possibility to expand. yes. so i know china wants to china wants to south africa,

wants to make know she wants to and we want to get enough, get them. everybody wants based on it's not how to enter. it might be free for their as well. let's look at this with an alley wine who is a senior analyst focusing on us china relations for you. ration groups, global macro, g, a, politics practice and professor oliver stone co. as a political analyst at the school of international relations in south palo busio, a welcome, both will come to the issue of expansion in a moment. first, let's talk about what members believe. bricks is full of a stone coal. these 5 countries have some very specific objectives, which i suppose you could kinda categorize as casting off the shackles of a west and dominance to hello. yes, absolutely. i think despite the numerous differences between bruce countries in divergences and disagreements, particularly between india and china, there is something that unites them with, which is their reluctance. and wearing this visa v us leadership member countries

believe that strengthening bricks helps them increase their leverage. when sitting down with washington, it helps them constrain the united states to some extent also strengthened ties among member countries and often overlooked issues that countries like brazil knew very little about china 20 years ago in the brick sweeping has helped in that sense established ties. but of course, the big disagreement, or the big question is whether they can find a way to expand that is agreeable to all of them. there's been rumors, for example, that china would be interested in adding pakistan, something india would certainly dislike. and i would say india and brazil have been a bit reluctant when it comes to more anti western additions to the club. so it's, there's a lot of suspense. nobody knows if expands will actually take place. but i think there's something that unites all of these countries. they believe that organizing

these meetings and articulating, you know, discussions will help them adapt to a post, let's say, post american world, the world in which there's numerous polls of power and craft, the details of the new ball type all the order. so all the wind from there, you're basically we, we just had the, all of a, they're talking about this group wants to shake off of us leadership at how have they been able to resist being dominated by china. well 1st i want to say what a pleasure it is to be uh, commenting alongside oliver. and for those of you who haven't read his recent article on the economist on this very topic, i would commend it to all of you. i'm there informed divisions in the group and i think this there are 2 judgements that are true of the 1st judgement. is it all 5 member countries want to exercise greater agency in world affairs? are they want a more or multiple international system? but there are important divisions i think of china is in favor of rapid expansion

to demonstrate it's growing diplomatic. cap. russel wants to cast off or dispel abusers or dis disabuse individuals of the notion that is diplomatically isolated. and on the other hand, i think if you're looking for sale, if you look at india, if you look at south africa, they take a more cautious approach. they favor more multi polar international system, but they don't want the brakes to be seen as an explicitly anti us or anti wes grouping. and so i think that those divisions about how the member states want the group to be conceived. we'll continue to loom over the summit over the next few days. okay. and so what would i think there's, there's about 40 countries um, who formally or informally wants to join this group. what's in it for them? perhaps you'd, you'd like to pick this up at olive, and then we'll come to you again on a as well. bricks is a recognized brand. i mean, it's, uh, you know, it's a status boost or in a way to be a bricks country. after all, you know, brazil hasn't grown for

a decade, but because in part because it's a bricks, countries, some people still refer to it as an emerging power. so it's a useful thing to have set the seal of approval of this brand created by goldman sachs 20 years ago. in addition, it gives you, as i said, it gives you greater leverage when negotiating with washington that allows you to get face time, regular face time with us using being in only that, i mean, over the past years, they've been a times up to a 100 bricks related meetings per year, which means that the ministries and the brock proceeds get to engage with the china, which is quite useful as well. now the concern of course, of countries like brazil and india is that if you add lots of countries, then the club will inevitably be less exclusive and that status boosting capacity of being a brakes member may not be the same as it that it used to be and that it just breaks as we have a track record of, of,

of success does it does. is there anything you can point out to other than just existing and, and being man to say, well, these are good reasons. one for you to wants to join and to for the world to listen to us. so one you can point to the brakes bank, it's still i would say it's and it's kind of infant stages, but i think that there is momentum. if you look at the current members of the new development bank, if you look at prospective members and those who have expressed interest in joining the bank. so that's one tangible achievement. but i want to build on the one that oliver made about branding. and so when, when jim o'neil, the economist and goldman sachs, when he coined the term briggs at the time south africa, this is in 2001, a south africa joined the group in, in 2010 in 2001. the 5 member countries represented not even 10 percent of the global economy today, they represent a little over a quarter, and so there is a branding, there is a procedure cache associated with members. if the problem is though that for those

current members, they don't want to see their influence diluted. so the larger the group, yet, the less of the less cache there is for individual members. and so what i expected we will see over the coming days is not to finalize decision on admitting new members, but perhaps more concrete discussions around the criteria for expansion criteria for membership on august. make one last point. even though obviously we're currently talking about the brick summit, i think it's important to look at the summit taking place within a wider aperture. if you look at the interest among dozens of countries in joining the brakes, if you look at the expansion of the saying high cooperation organization, if you look at the growing interest in the deliberations of the d 20, i think if you do us all of those the developments and look at them politically. what we see is the emergence of an international system in which middle powers in developing countries, they want greater sway. they have greater agency and they want to contribute to a new global architecture. so all of the,

if you could talk about that point that the alley made that then about the criteria . what all the, the entry criteria at the moment with presumably democracy orders here is to the rule of law, not on the list. so yeah, well the, so the thing is, the books countries were put together by the goldman sachs in a way, i mean the, the, the, the acronyms stuck in a way was quite successful in the financial markets of 2000 and tens of in russia at the time was quite eager to create a political group along those lines. china was eager to have a, an african member state in order to increase the brakes. grouping's legitimacy. now south africa is a much smaller economy than the other member states, of course. so it's, i think it's going to be very difficult to articulate clear criteria, because that will box the bricks into a way that they can violate. there are, you know, the rules they've created. so another option would be that, you know,

things will be more informal. like for example, the, the 20 which is currently discussing of whether to add the african union and to make it actually the g $21.00. i mean, there's no specific rules about that. i think it's going to be always an informal debate. um and, and really it will depend the loss on, i think with china's interest is, um, after all, it was also china that was responsible for adding south africa back in the day. okay. so i, i have so that does it not so that's why i'm just, just just trying to what, what this out when you, when you have these, they, this, the base and consensus that was talked about the best best of luck and belief in the free market a belief and a state lead grows more money for, for global know, do western institutions a view brooks as a threat to yet i don't think that they currently assess it as

a is a coherent thread. i think for some of the reasons that we've been discussing, i think that the brakes are certainly emblematic as like guys, in, in a middle towers among large stretches the developing world. again, that is the shared desire long a growing number of countries for greater multi polarity, but they're important divisions among the bricks. and as we were discussing earlier, i think china and russia, they have a shared and very intense animates towards the west and united states in particular, brazil, indian, south africa. yes. they want to enhance their range of relationships that they don't want the block to be perceived as explicitly and to us are anti west and so long as those internal divisions persist. i think that the ability of the brakes to achieve due political parents will be constrained. but certainly in the western observers, a recognize that there is a sheer, a desire among a growing number of countries for a different configuration of international relations. so western observers will be

watching this summit with the interest. i don't yet sense that they view the brakes as a coherent do political challenge, and on expansion. why would your money be a full, the next countries to, to join the breaks up? we'll start with your body and then and then come to you on so there are many countries that of course, have expressed interest in joining. i think the 2 candidates to candidate countries and it had been discussed increasingly off in our indonesia, inside of your area. and i think that indonesians, that you maybe importantly the represent 2 regions that the brakes doesn't presently account for respectively southeast asia in the middle east. so the new nation, saudi arabia appear to be sparking a fair bit of interest, but again, to be determined. and i would just reiterate that i, i wouldn't expect that this summit will reach any final decisions on a meeting you members, although i would those be on your top of your list as yes actually. um, i think the 2 also uh, you know, they took the bucks in

a very important sense for brazil and for india would not be interesting to add a country's was governments or explicitly anti western like ron for example, have been as well. so these countries don't really change profoundly, the overall stance of breaks. many other countries that have formerly on formerly asked for succession, do not really fit in mexico, strategically and commercially to close to united states. tricky part of nato. some other countries aren't really, you know, growing particularly fast argentina is the midst of the political transition. so i think those 2 countries are fairly safe, pets, and both our countries, which i think again, would be seen positively by those who don't want the brakes to become and explicitly anti western block. possibly, i think we'll leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. all of us don't go from brazil's that school of international relations. i think when from the you

raise you've been thinking about thank you. thank you. a us president joe biden has visited the hawaiian island of maui to see the devastation left by the recent wiles 5. well then, a 110 people on 992, a died of the death totally as expected to increase because 1800 people still unaccounted for. it's a deadly as while 5 in the united states in more than a century. long hugs and all, but is the president and 1st lady touched down and married they were there to offer support to the survivors and to pay respects to those who lost their lives in the wilds highest. the devastated to the island the 1st couple of of giving a closer look at what's left to the historic town of la, hey, you know, which was a little bit to be expedited in the wind whipped inside of hawaii state, govern adjust screen size search teams. have now covered most of the area looking

for the more than $800.00 people who are still missing. but the rest of the search could take weeks. president biden's administration has been criticized by some of the survivors and republicans who say the responses being ineffectual and insufficient. standing next to one of the heinous most famous landmarks, the 150 of old banyan tree. the president used it as a message for the islanders resilience and revival to my left is the bed and 3 beloved by this community for over a 150 years. here the former capital of the kingdom, hawaii stood for generations of the sacred spot of exceptional significance today is burned, but it's still standing tre, survive for a reason. i believe it's a powerful,

a very powerful symbol. what we can and will do to get through this crisis. as for this, for as long as it takes, we're going to be with you the whole country be with you. the hate in the general, the end of the wild fires may have now subsided, and the focus turned to the task of rebuilding about the people have. now we will need much more than reassurance and will much to recover from the saving blaze that has ravaged the island they call home. let's get well from our correspondent country moya, who's on mallory, welcome country. we'll get to the bibles for this in a moment. first, so just updates this plays on the ongoing search and rescue efforts. yes, so last night there was a still left 15 percent remaining area to be served. and that is going to be the most difficult one because there is still a beverage to be removed. all right, now,

bill, sorry to have moved on for 13th to give you those properties to searching multi story and commercial properties. this is the last phase of the search. however, the number of victims official accounted for. it is a still very low of $150.00 of this time. and that's a contrast with the number of people that are expected to, to have died in the fires that people on the ground expect them to be by hundreds. they're still a 150 people and accounted for and over. and i agree said this is it may probably many of these people will never be found. ok, let's start with the presence of a visit and tell us more about how he's been received today. she was received with indifference by the people. i mean people even i've been talking to today, they didn't know by them was here. and they also said, what is the point of the president being here, especially now 2 weeks? well, we need is one thing we need to survey money. that's been

a main complain of the families here that they are not receiving emails, direct federal health. they talk about $7.00 to $800.00 per family, which, you know, and i like the like be so expensive and with no house it's doesn't get them very far. 5 and however, um it was very important for the authorities that he saw the scope of the station itself. so in the hopes that he will increase federal help, he has already announced some of these measures. he has appointed someone to oversee long term recovery. he on the island and he also has over 11001st responders, a 450 seems already f as in the search. and, and he has also a pointed about 8 is the median dollar to, to help, but to people local people. and so once we think about 800000 sounds like a lot given the, the things that we have seen over the last that weeks,

you've been covering this disaster right from the start. how off people a coping, 2 weeks into this steeple, are for the most part traumatized. on the one hand, there are the local people. i've seen many of them over those. there's houses or their jobs, they're old and tearing. and actually when you talk to them, they tell you they're concerned about all the people that have been worse and them . so they are all warranty or really even i've seen in some of the center is that they were turning people away because they have enough volunteers. they and also they, they said we have enough supplies. people are really taking care of other people that themselves. on the other hand, they're large communities of people that are leaving the island. and that's something that they're thursday's are scared to. so are just so, you know, people, for example, there's a lot, a large community here. they've been selling cars, they're traumatized, even though they think they might find that other job opportunity in the near

future. they kind of there to be here when their home life has been destroyed, they're in need of mental health, and they have been flying out of the island. well, and tourism, of course, is a huge part of the islands economy. and presumably it's going to take some time for that to get back on its feet. so how are people going to be able to rebuild the lives? yeah, well today there was a ma, we come to the council meeting and the residents affected by the fires from the high not in upcountry working by to to provide their testimony and to share their stories. the a there is to gather info directly from the community as to how they want to move forwards and to establish the top priorities for them. once that has been done, are all sorts here. willis are formulating policies according to what people one behind a to be in the future. that's for the rebuilding part. now the main from sir right

now is what's gonna happen with the unemployment. that is rising significantly. people i've been talking to feel that the thirty's words to quick to say to, to her is do not come to my way. we need the resources. now they're realizing they've been repeating all over again. it's only the west coast. so greatly align of the us being affected by our is like these. what i'm right now in k, there is say, hey, why they are the roku, hannah, and the that they want to resume to come because thousands, tens of thousands of people have left and there have been many, many comes to lesions. so i've been talking to the business owners like to serve a school, right. and next to me restaurant owners and they're cutting personal in half. right . so that's, that's going to be a big circle them. okay, thank you for that said country dw khan, corresponding country moines on my way. thank you. of

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is political and economic future. that's something voters will be mindful of at the polls. but observe is a concern, develop the legal climate, and god was continued prince on poland to have someone who has been a political under study of co button. so all the negative things you can talk about is in bed with politics. like google has grown up with that system and so no, but he or she is in power and he has immunity behind him. he's going to use those by the same talk, it takes to hold on to and the remaining power. and then that was aiming for 2nd 10 men to build a nice ation that is governed zimbabwe for 43 years. on the new law journal, his rights to the top of the party was welcomed by many of them. that is austin. but now dying living conditions and the lack of jobs means some citizens, according for change. i'm seeing 3 media, i'm glad that he's image is

a face. mind was to cut in one word face. so we went to is full as you do. yes. so please. but change has been hard to come by for them probably with the looming election already in dispute. and this one that the countries many problems of, from, from, from the other day is almost done. but the conversation can continue online. you'll find this on the social media channels at cdw news. for more in depth analysis, dw comp pulled at the dumping of the the

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