is just a click away, the majority of the destination, right? document trees before the slide now. okay. name treat the so it was a mini race to the mood between russia and india. and today, india one the on month 10 dollars and $3.00 pro touched on of the moon, south pole, the 1st to do so successfully. and following the failure of a russian mission, just days ago to india now joins a small club of nations alongside the us, russia and china that have successfully landed spacecraft on the move. so who controls access to all the mineral wealth for the bill that i'm feel go in by lane and this is the day the

thought to be out to you guys on the moon in new york. but this is not the big stuff going on with them. all as part of the mess. and we are also coming up russian media report say the head of the russian nursing degree, wagner, and failed to mute any late it is getting precaution has been killed in a plane crash in russia. one of the passengers of his having passengers killed apparently, wagner, nursing their chief. you've got any precaution, at least that's what the russian use agency reporting with reference to the russian

or the ation woodstock or us on the yachts yachts. welcome to the day we begin with india, celebrating the successful moon landing off at 10 down and 3 spacecraft as well as bring a technical time for the success of the landing balloon at south pole. opens the door to exploring on child to to traits. an area scientist believes good whole bible reserves or frozen water. a solar powered robot we'll collect the dates of after the next couple of weeks. india success comes just days after rushes. luna 25 craft crushed into the mission accomplished generally, and 3 landed on the moon at 4 minutes past 6 pm. indian standard time admission controlled in bangalore. the relief was as great as the celebrations, the same when for prime minister modi at the break, somebody's in south africa,

utah at this moment is the full filament. so the hot beats of 1400000000 people, it gives us new energy you believe and invigorates our country celebrations to in the planetarium in the capital daily. it's just a few days since the russian mission crashed at the luminous south pole. now the indian mission will start collecting data that's kind of what can be used for other space programs in the coming time. probably, we can use the docks to face the human back to the lunar surface and also in other up 93 mission. india now has big plans for the space program. i'm on space flight and the construction of a space station or in the pipeline. those will be followed by on my missions to mars and venus. will dr. nonprofit go swami as an independent scholar of space policy and great power politics is also

a co author of scrambled for the skies. the great power competition to control the result is of outer space. welcome to the de delta, big day for india rise. yes, yes, it is a big day also because as you pointed out in your report is because is the 1st time that a mission has actually landed on the south for the river missions attempted earlier . india try to land in 2019 russia is, you know, attempted to land just a few days ago. and so given the fact that the soft full terrain is so difficult because of the lack of data. so this mission success mix it and enabling mission for those the mission. so they're going to come see the next few years. so yes, it's a big day for india. okay. and a lot of data about the south pole but, but the south pole somewhere a but a countries want to get to particularly just focus through why that is are sure

because the soul full of the moon is that area of the moon that has resources like water ice that can be turned into also gen 4, supporting human habitation. it also has resources like 10 am i render element in my vision that can be utilized. for example, if you want to set up a base on the moon. so that is why, especially many countries are interested in that particular area, including the united states, china, russia, and now india. so that makes this particular area so strategic because it enables emissions that india will have to now look forward to, for example, in the. a is a partner to the united states. autumn is the courts, which is just sign in june. and the ottoman records actually wants to be able to do resources lives ation missions. and so that is why the south pole is so

critical for those particular missions that are going to come in the next say, 5 to 10 years. okay, so it was quite a, um, a list of, of the minerals and the elements that you, that you listed there on. these are important that these are, these are useful in the electronics and clean technologies. so just is it now going to be the wild west is anyone who can get the, gets a key, whatever they can stuff in that pocket or that rules that international traces. so there are agreements, for example, you have the outer space pretty of 1967 that enables you to utilize space, but you cannot claim sovereignty is very clear, and india is a signatory. so are all the arguments accords. countries. china is also the signature insights. russia, so you already have root, you also have the 13 d, which has not been rectified by india or any other major space, very nations. so going forward, the hope is that you have an accord like the autumn is

a cord that lays down the principles, the norms and the responsible behavior. the countries have to agree to when they sign it. when the basically invest in missions that are looking for commercial capability on the moon. so we are not there yet in start. so we are consensus. i know that that was the, exactly the for the i wanted to just clarify what not that yet. at the moment, just because it looks technologically so far away, we have time. but anyone who can get up that fast come at the moment, just fill that boots. so yes, because uh, for example, for india, this is the 1st time that it has actually landed on another celestial body. so that means that the item as a court countries have the capability real time to do the kind of lunar emissions. they hope china is going through the saw full of the moon and next year with the traveler 6, which is a lunar sample return mission. so there is

a rush to the cellphone, given the fact that it is such strategic significance. and as you said, it is a little bit 1st come 1st serve. so whoever gets there 1st, we will have an advantage. the 1st move or advantage like you have in low earth orbit and doesn't necessarily have to be a country if someone's super wealthy, like richard brands and all jeff bays also wants to have a go with setting up a moon mining company. would they have to apply to someone for a license, or can they just have that data? so according to the auto space, pre t and the liability convention, states are responsible for the behavior of their private space act. uh so even if they, as you asked the question, even if a law in moscow richard branson wants to go and do them with mining activity, they still have to get the license from the state. they are registered to the liability convention mix the states that they are registered to liable for anything

that can go wrong. so in the current regulatory pembroke, they will have to get permission from the states they're registered to. they just kind of decide on their own that always wants to go and set up a base and we'll do it. we've already seen no just base model to see if i do. in fact, in the last week or so. we have rushes, luna? 25 admission heading for the moon, south pole, and that's we overtake a ton valley and 3, before it crash service sounds like an actual race with such high stakes. besides that, there's little incentive to, to trust any sort of international space traffic control. it sounds like if he can get back to you, get up veterans, and the devil take the high most. so with the russian do not $25.00 sleepers admission that was planned for several years and it has been delayed and they also took a much were shorter trajectory to the moon. so they launch much later than india

and fight to get their. 1 with more fuel and of course loss because of the propulsion technology misfire reading when they tried to enter the elliptical orbit . so i think because rush chairs do not 25, it's such critical political implications. one because of what they wanted to showcase russia as remaining a major space power also to create legitimacy for his redeem. and to find that it crush undermines that particular desire office actually raised the stakes for the indian space mission for it to succeed. because india signed the argument, the court now uh it looks like a strategic alignment because it's happening. russia has joined the china. a lead international do nervous that station and east collaborating with china to set up a research based on the moon by 2036. china already has the capability to go to the moon and land there upon them as leon dog and the india has it. in india, of course, assigned the arguments accord led by the us. so there is

a rush at this point of time and that's why it is extremely important that we have regulatory frameworks and nor mrs. guidelines that are going to determine how this mission lay out. possibly i think thank you so much for outlining that so clearly for his doctor, doctor them number off at this moment. thank the the leader of the fog. the most of the group is thought to be dead. russian or thoughts you say you've got a precaution was listed as a passenger on a flight, the crushed on route for moscow to some painters, but as far as the sale time people on board the private jet, what killed in june who suffices last unimportant attempt to take moscow after taking the regional capital vosta home done valve, the group for the brutal battle in ukraine for several months to take the city a fact more let's look at this with it and make a lot of petroff of the german institute for international insecurity. fast

w as of brush, i'm just constantine. i got to welcome both. i'm going to start with you nikolai. i only know at this stage as you're getting pre gordon was on the passenger list of this a plane that crashed 2 months exactly. since this failed rebellion, people with the 11th of the say, this is more than just an accident of what went through your mind when you how did this uh, well, of course there are a lot of conspiracy theories and. busy b, it's still unknown. what are the reasons of these plane crash? there are different scenarios. so they put into one p. it's caused by a web page. the fans nice file. according to another one, there was tara, at least to get the i can. so boom, uh it boards, but uh it looks like small to live. you're giving you big ocean, but he is right. the and the commander of, of,

of the golf course name flag which has been used to meet you with jim in the keels and they use cash. right? so costs and so you accidents or plots. this is beneficial to effect for president opposing, whichever way you look at it, isn't it? oh, well, there are many ways of looking at it. there are some that the saying already that food and strength of his position that he washed away the shame of not being able to stop regarding 2 months ago in the fact that seemingly again the allegedly, the plane was hit by an air defense miss. so not far from the area where missiles are indeed stationed near put into a residence in northwest and russia. so people say that people's opinion finally scored the point and destroyed his enemy. but all the other hand, uh, some commentators uh saying that basically the procrastination still costs putting

lot of his perceive model of one of the wits ro talked with about 15 minutes ago. the only conclusion from that is next time you stayed, you cool. go all the way. and frankly, there is another consideration. uh, what we've seen. some people, the k a piece delores, i spoke to would pay an extra traditional execution of $10.00 russian citizens in a civilian airplane by russian air defense in a box of iraq or see if this puts in that that helps puts it to run russian. this is huge breaking of all the rules you don't do that like that. and in this respect, i think maybe we see a beginning of a new crisis in russia rather than the end of the progression rebellion a really you, you're see a crisis protein because of extra d, additional cooling,

which of course, he has been accused of time and time again, of the why would this one a bad be that potentially the beginning of the end for him? are you well, if the government was killed in a mysterious aircraft, or in a car crash, or even if he was gunned down by known killers, everyone would have understood that this is probably probably the crime this job. but it would be normal to use army air defense broke out of this account. applying is something really grotesque. you know, and this is something that will not be forgotten by hundreds of thousands of millions of russian civil servants who i used to play by. okay, very strict sometimes pollutants, but you do not use the all the for these things. that's very simple. and i think that this is so all the size of the big that to me will test. and then i'll tell you, is just as a human being, i don't think that using such reports. so light proves it's right. it's rather

proves the desire to prove strength, which is a completely different. so what source of inquiry do you think that will be? i'm will anyone have any faith in it? the questions to me to meet? no, i don't think that's going to be any inquiry or rather inquiry is going to be superficial . but what we do not know yet is, what will the russian propaganda call it? whether they will say that it's the ukrainians who did it wasn't able to say it was an x and then well that they will say that the garden was, as they were setting in june, actually a very famous uh, uh, mafioso in his previous life. and finally, some kind of a vengeance caught up with him and his people. oh, that may be a lot of stories. actually my, my theory is that's a russian propagandist property. i have

a telegram channels of which there are thousands will launch so many versions of this event that people eventually just switch off. i think that's right. that's their usual thinking such circumstances. i think just that, you know, we, we, we picture about that for technical reasons. i have lost the live pat job at the moment. so it's just you and me, constance. a. is that a wagner without pre goshen. and his right hand man as well as truly wagner. groups of us not the bottom about accident. it was the uh, the nickname of the uh, known together as it was saying french the, the battle a nickname of uh, the committee who was a former g r u defendant candle and who created this private group pretty guard from, came in later to become a friend that's of the group for the benefit of foot bought. uh, i think the know the group was because it,

it will see now whether it has new leaders coming up and then we'll see, well the brendan will do to those leaders if they come up. indeed, maybe, maybe it is the end of the vitamin group as an organized force because they are truly be headed in such and such a formations usually need charismatic leaders. in whom do people trust right now they're all. so i think the maybe maybe that they've seen the beginning of the end of valve the group as an organized ministry for making i petroff of the drum is to do for international security or fantasies back with us. so welcome back . let's pick up a cousin. seems a point that just don't what happens now within a box and the head has been laptop causing to recognize that this is perhaps the beginning of the end, wherever you on that. or i would say that's the been

a visa informed us. your name was uh and it jammed up the uh, well the defense media street to get control over about the roof and spring portion didn't degree with these. now i think it's much easier for the military to get what remains from father go. and it's really appreciate how you doing agree with the constraint you, but it helps me to get these monitoring units. wage appear to be pretty much effective in the world, but it's hard to say with that will be possible for them to keep it in a it's a former sheet, but at least we can see that maybe it's a report of the, of what you need to to get presented us just like a big portion of the boards for a few slots. the group by the difference was either way get deals with people. and

so i say i'm cuz that's the government will certainly as right, so exploits each of the fact that there is pre g. it's well trained to ends. well, prepare it for the war, but it's got to predict. now whether it's going to be possible to use it in a way, it's just been used on the board of meet you because of that. but that's, that's an interesting point, isn't it? we, we have the, the, the, the wagner troops side effectively signing that loyalty, add to the crime rates, those in ukraine. but better of the operations of a spread across africa. did those continue but managed to by the kremlin, would they would so soldiers at work and for, for the kremlin, nikolai stuff, you know, one of the conspiracy theories besides this, chris is connected with these mis cornflakes. then it's known that the origin of

was flying from africa to st. petersburg can do, they have to be ships, at least these. the girl was just a sales please thought she was, you know, the conflict waste of the main military intelligence which was trying to get central or what his actions in my lee and some papa. and she can fall through. so he plans they have all the big washer or was there long to continue to go in africa, the conditions, the dams, to get dental or what he's thought. infrastructure is a breach in march and dances and width. uh uh, it will be possible to continue the so that's where he needs to like brush and colors today that i guess we are talking about a lot of money when it comes to the sort of resources that, that wagner has been able to control across africa. yes,

and i think that that's why the drum will continue to use nurse nervous and frankly speaking, 06 that maybe device and you cry and you need more ca, ridgemont, then to do stuff. is that the reference or republic or in the hallway for money? i think there is no shortage of people who will be willing to 7 this permissions. and i think that to you is it's, it's a real possibility that the g r u will take this whole business over for the benefit of the drum is specially know that it seems off top of the included in your chair. so that's the kremlin, is developing a strategy to undermine western influence. so basically the district for the west, from the ukraine, by creating problems for in west africa, of replacing the dreams that, uh, uh, helping the west to fight the psalm is there. and i suppose that these new

circumstances, the g r u, the crime in whatever, but the rest of the machine will not set aside. will not forget the idea that the want that basically it cannot make political in just to reduce the deepest geostrategic interest in effort to defend it. so i think that the most there started will continue even if the bottom to store it is all right, and this i petrol. all this happening on the day it was an i'm so that's a general. so guy. uh, so what became had been removed from his role as had of russia's that aerospace forces. it just seemed to be caught a lot of time on the top of russia's ministry to yes, that's right, that's a very different explanations. why general? so i became was replaced, and one of them is clearly connected with the new to me. and so the fact that so as you can, was playing the role of missouri to be twins maintenance of a command sounds pretty gordon displayed language late in this particular case. but

another explanation is that sort of, you can, is responsible for any c, c off rod from the fans system when it goes about your premium drones. and of course, if somebody even needs that this seeing the, you've just been announced that general. so i beecham is replaced uh and the uh, the guy was the commander of the defense and the forces and the same the well for him he has been keels and so she has been to be ships with a defense system. right. and the constancy i'm sort of beacon was made from under of russian forces in ukraine in october 10 months into the wall. he only lasted the 3 months before he was replaced in that role. and now he's being

replaced again in his new role. is this to him on or at the top of the russian metrics? or is this just how a pushing runs it? or like i said, 3 years in the army as a duty officer. if you have a 3 commanders, actually in this case, they will not take full of changing at the top in 18 months. then this definitely crisis. there's no talked about that reward is not going the way the crime and wanted it to go. and i think about a, so there is a search for something that's basically think we lose putting out for some kind of very clever strategy and for some kind of deep thinking. but probably pulled the 2 troops for the leading roles and the ministry. and most of the payments for the loyalty, it will be very, very difficult to find someone else hands the crisis, right. type of outside comes and training id and i'm just constantine that i got

side russian unless i thank you also to the nick lie petroff from the german institute for international and security a fast. it's not say it's the day. yeah, that's, that's it's the day has come to an end, so i'll be back to the same time. same place tomorrow between now and then i will go to the

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the the is it the w. two's line from the telegram channel? a link to brushes. wagner grove says it's lee the if got, if it goes in is that most of the groups had was listed as a passenger on board, a private chat which was crashed with no survivors as it traveled from moscow just some faces. but the .