the a once a month, 10 dollars on 3 pro touched on of the moon, south pole, the 1st to do so successfully. and following the failure of a russian mission, just days ago to india now joins a small club of nations alongside the us, russia and china that have successfully landed spacecraft on the move. so who controls access to all the mineral wealth for the belt back? i'm feel go in by lane and this is the day the thought to be out. you guys on the moon in the, on the physical morning, me some ignored stuff in the, of the big stuff. me off with them all as part of the men

and we are also coming up russian media report say the head of the russian. nothing. the group of wagner and failed mutiny leaders. guinea pig goshen has been killed in a plane crash in russia. one of the passengers of the 7 passengers killed apparently, wagner. i'm nursing the retreat. if you've got any precaution, at least that's what the russian use agency reporting with reference to the russian or the ation woodstock or us on the yachts yachts. welcome to the day we begin with india, celebrating the successful moon landing average time down in 3 spacecraft as well as being a technical time for the success of the landing balloon at south pole opens the door to exploring uncharted territory. an area scientists believe could hold viable reserves or frozen water. a solar power drove it will collect the dates of after

the next couple of weeks. india success comes just days after rushes. luna 25 craft crushed into the man. the mission accomplished. chandra and 3 landed on the moon at 4 minutes past 6 pm, indian standard time, admission controlled in bangalore. the relief was as great as the celebrations, the same when for prime minister modi at the break. somebody's in south africa, utah at this moment is the full filament. so the hot beats of 1400000000 people, it gives us new energy, you believe 100 and bigger, right? so our country celebrations to and the planetarium in the capital daily. it's just a few days since the russian mission crashed at the luminous south pole. now, the indian mission will start collecting data that's kind of what can be used for

other space programs in the coming time. probably we can use the docks to take the human back to the lunar surface and also in the other 93 mission. india now has big plans for the space program. amount in space, flight and the construction of a space station or in the pipeline. those will be followed by on my missions to mars and venus will dr. number optic, a swami, as an independent scholar of space policy and great power politics is also a co op of scrambled for the skies. the great power competition to control the results. as of out of space. welcome to the de delta big day for india rise. yes, yes, it is a big day. also because as you pointed out in your report, is because is the 1st time that a mission has actually landed on the south for the river missions attempted earlier . india try to land in 2019 russia is, you know, attempted to land just

a few days ago. and so given the fact that the south full terrain is so difficult because of the lack of data. so this mission success mix it and enabling mission for those the mission. so they're going to come see the next few years. so yes, it's a big day for india. okay. and a lack of data about the south pole but, but the south pole somewhere a but a countries want to get to particularly just focus through why that is is sure because the soul full of the moon is that area of the moon that has resources like water ice that can be turned into oxygen for supporting human habitation. it also has resources like titanium render, alimony. i'm a vision that can be utilized. for example, if you want to set up a base on the moon. so that is why, especially many countries are interested in that particular area,

including the united states, china, russia, and now india. so that makes this particular area so strategic because it enables emissions that india will have to now look forward to, for example, in the. a is a partner to the united states. autumn is a court which is just sign in june. and the item is, of course, actually wants to be able to do resources, lives ation missions. and so that is why the south full is so critical for those particular missions that are going to come in the next say, 5 to 10 years. okay? so it's quite a and a list of, of the minerals and the elements that you, that you listed there. and these are important. and i, these are, these are useful in the electronics and clean technologies. so just isn't now going to be the wild west. this anyone who can get the gets a key, whatever they can stuff in that pocket, or are the rooms that international traces. so there are agreements, for example,

you have the outer space pretty of 1967 that enables you to utilize space, but you cannot claim sovereignties very clear. and india is a signatory. so are all the arguments accords. countries. china is also the signature in place. russia, so you already have root, you also have the 13 d, which has not been rectified by india or any other major space, very nations. so going forward, the hope is that you have an, a court light be autumn is a cord that lease down the principles, the norms and the responsible behavior. the countries have to agree to when they sign it. when the basically invest in missions that i'm looking for commercial capability on the moon. so we are not there yet in stock. so we are consensus. i know that that was the executive for an i. i wanted to just clarify what not that yet. at the moment, just because it looks technologically so far away, we have time. but anyone who can get up that fast come at the moment,

just fill that boots a yes, because uh, for example, for india, this is the 1st time that it has actually landed on another celestial body. so that means that the item is a court. countries have the capability real time to do the kind of lunar emissions they hope china is going through the saw full of the moon and next year with the traveler 6, which is a lunar sample return mission. so there is a rush to the cellphone, given the fact that it is such strategic significance. and as you said, it is a little bit 1st come 1st serve. so whoever gets there 1st, we will have an advantage. the 1st move or advantage like you have in low earth orbit and doesn't necessarily have to be a country if someone's super wealthy, like richard brands and all jeff bays also wants to have a go with setting up a moon mining company. would they have to apply to someone for a license,

or can they just have i said so according to the auto space pre t and the liability convention states are responsible for the behavior of their private space actor. so even if they, as you asked the question, even if a law in moscow, richard brenson wants to go and do a mining activity, they still have to get the license from the state. they are registered to the liability convention mix the state that they are registered to liable for anything that can go wrong. so in the current regulatory pembroke, they will have to get permission from the states there. but just just do that just kind of decide on their own that oh, we want to go and set up a base and we'll do it. we've already seen no, just face mountain. see if i didn't fucking in the, in the last week or so. we have rushes, luna? 25 admission heading for the moon, south pole. and that's we overtake a ton battery and 3, before it crash service sounds like an actual race. with such high stakes,

it sounds like there's little incentive to, to trust any sort of international space traffic control. it sounds like if you can get it back you, you get up veterans and the devil type behind most. so with the russian do not 25. so it does a mission that was planned for several years and it has been delayed and they also took a much more shorter trajectory to the moon. so they launch much later than india and fight to get their. 1 with more fuel and of course loss because of the propulsion technology misfiring when they tried to enter the elliptical orbit. so i think because russia do not 25 had such critical political implications. one because of what didn't wanted to showcase russia as remaining a major space power also to create legitimacy for his redeem. and to find that it crush undermines that particular desire office actually raised the stakes for the

indian space mission for it to succeed. because india signed the ottomans the court now uh it looks like a strategic alignment because it's happening. russia has joined the china. a lead international, do know, research station and east collaborating with china to set up a research based on the moon by 2036. china already has the capability to go to the moon and land there upon them as leon dog and the india has it. and india, of course, assigned the arguments accord led by the us. so there is a rush at this point of time, and that's why it is extremely important that we have regulatory frameworks and nor mrs. guidelines that are going to determine how this mission lay out. possibly i think thank you so much for outlining that so clearly for his doctor, doctor them number off at this moment. thank the the leader of the fog. the most of the group is thought to be dead. russian or thoughts you say you've got a precaution was listed as a passenger on

a flight, but crushed on route from moscow to some painters. but as far as you say, 010 people on board the private jet, but killed in june, who suffices lowest unimportant attempts to take moscow after taking the regional capital vosta home done valve the group for the brutal battle in ukraine for several months to take the city a fact much let's look at this with it. nikolai petro, off of the german institute for international and security. fast w brush. i'm just constantine. i got to welcome both. i'm going to start with you nikolai. a. oh, we don't at this stage as you're getting pre gordon was on the passenger list of this. a plane that crashed 2 months. exactly. since it's failed, rebellion, people with a leverage will be say, this is more than just an accident. what went through your mind when you had this? well, of course, there are a lot of conspiracy theories and it's still unknown. what

are the reasons pop this plane crash? there are different scenarios, so it's according to one p. it's caused by a web page. the fans and these files, according to another one, there what state are, we still get the i can so boom. uh it boards. but uh, it looks like multiple live. you're getting you paid portion, but he is right. the and the commander of about the golf course name fund, which has been used to meet you with jim. uh they have the keels in vegas cash. right? so cost and same accidents, or plots at face is beneficial to effect for president opposing, whichever way you look at it, isn't this oh, well, there are many ways of looking at it. there are some that the saying already that food and strength of his position that he washed away the shame of not being able

to stop regarding 2 months ago in the fact that seemingly again the allegedly, the plane was hit by an air defense miss. so not far from the area where misses are indeed stationed near put into a residence in northwest and russia. so people say, yeah, that was a put and finally scored the point in destroying. she's any bought all the other hand. uh, some commentators uh saying that basically the procrastination still costs putting lot of his perceive model of one of the wits ro talked with about 15 minutes ago. the only conclusion from that is next time you stayed, you cool. go all the way. and frankly, there is another consideration uh, what we've seen. some people be cool at these, delores, i spoke to would pay an extra traditional execution of $10.00 russian citizens in a civilian airplane by russian air defense in

a box of iraq receive. this puts in that, that helps puts in to run russia. this is huge, breaking of all the rules don't do that like that. and in this respect, i think maybe we see a beginning of a new crisis in russia rather than the end of the progression. rebellion a really you, you're see a crisis protein because of extra d, additional cooling, which of course, he has been accused of time and time again over the years. why would this one a bad be the potentially the beginning of the end for him as you? well, if the govern was killed in a mysterious aircraft, or in a car crash, or even if he was gunned down by known killers, everyone would have understood that this is probably probably the crime this job. but it would be normal to use army air defense broke out of this account. applying

is something really grotesque. and this is something that will not be forgotten by hundreds of thousands of millions of russian civil servants who i used to play by. okay, very strict sometimes pollutants, but you do not use the all the for these things. that's very simple. and i think that this is so all the size of the big that to me will test. and then i'll tell you, is just as a human being, i don't think that using such reports. so light proves it's right. it's rather proves the desire to prove strength, which is a completely different. so what source of inquiry do you think that will be? i'm will anyone have any faith in it? the gosh, just a minute to meet. no, i don't think that's going to be any inquiry. oh, rather the inquiry is going to be superficial. but what we do not know yet is uh, what will the russian propaganda call it,

whether they will say that it's the ukrainians, who did it, whether they will say it was an x and then well that they will say that the garden was, as they were sitting in june, actually a very famous uh, uh, mafioso in his previous life. and finally, some kind of a vengeance co top with him and his people. oh, that may be a lot of stories. actually my, my theory is that a russian propagandist prop. you have a telegram channels of which the thousands will launch so many versions of this event that people eventually just switch off. i think that's right. that's the usual concise circumstance. i think just that, you know we, we, we appear to about the technical reasons that i have lost the live pat job at the moment. so it's just you and me comes to say, is that a wagner without pre goshen and his right hand man, as well as truly wagner grouped was not bothering about

accident. it was the uh, the nickname of the uh, known together as david saying french the, the battle a nickname of uh, the committee who was a former g r u defendant candle and who created this private group pretty guard from, came in later to become a friend that's of the group for the benefit of foot bought. uh, i think the know the group was because it, it will see now whether it has new leaders coming up. and then we'll see well that brendan will do to those leaders even if they come up. indeed, maybe, maybe it is the end of the vitamin group as an organized force because they are truly be headed in such and such a formations usually need charismatic leaders. in whom do people trust right now they're all. so i think the maybe maybe that they've seen the beginning

of the end of the group as an organized ministry for making i petroff of the drum is to be for international the security of fantasies back with us. so welcome back . let's pick up a cousin. seems to a point that just don't what happens now within a wagner, i'm the head has been laptop causes a record of said, this is perhaps the beginning of the end. wherever you on that i would say that's the reason for me, judging it was uh and it jammed up the uh well the defense media street to get control over about the group and speak or didn't agree with these. now i think it's much easier for the military to get what remains from father go. and it's really appreciate just how you doing agree with confront you. but it helps me to

get these monitoring units. wage appear to be pretty much effective in the world, but it's hard to say with that will be possible for them to keep it in its former sheep. at least we can say that maybe it's every 4th of the, of what you need to, to get presented us just like a big portion of the boards for a few slots. the group. but the difference was either way get deeds. busy with people, and so i simply because that's the government will certainly as right, so exploits each of the fact that the who is pre g it's well trained stands well prepared for the war, but it's got to predict now whether it's going to be possible. busy to use it in a way, it's just been use, find the, the board and the me to think of that but, but that's, that's an interesting point is midway, we have the, the, the, the wagner troops side effectively sign that loyalty add to the crime rates. those

in ukraine, but better of the operations of a spread across africa. did those continue but managed to by the kremlin? would they would so soldiers at work for, for the crime and nikolai stuff. you know, one of the conspiracy theories besides this, chris is connected with these mis cornflakes and it's known that big portion of was flying from africa to st. petersburg can do. they have to be ships, at least to be stopped. but it was just a sales these thought she was, you know, the conflict waste of the main military intelligence which was trying to get central or what his actions in my lee and some papa and she can follow through. so he plans that all the big borgia was there long to continue

to block in africa that you can reduce in via dams to get dental, or what he's thought. infrastructure is preaching much and dances and width, uh, thoughts will be possible to continue the so that's where he needs to look better and comes to do that. i guess we are talking about a lot of money when it comes to the sort of resources that, that wagner has been able to control across africa. so yes, and i think that that's why the ground level continue to use nurseries. and frankly speaking, oh, maybe device and you cry and you need more careers more then to do stuff. is that the respiratory public or not only for money? i think there is no shortage of people who will be willing to serve in this permissions. and i think that to you is it's, it's a real possibility that the g r u will take this whole business over for the

benefit of the drum is specially know that it seems off top, the top in your chair. so that's the kremlin, is developing a strategy to undermine western influence. so basically the district for the west, from the ukraine, by creating problems for in west africa, of replacing the dreams that, uh, uh, helping the west to fight the psalm is there. and i suppose that these new circumstances, the g r u, the crime in whatever, but the rest of the machine will not set aside. will not forget the idea that the want that basically it cannot make political in just a jigs. this geostrategic interest in effort to defend it. so i think that the most there started will continue even if the bottom to store it is all right and this i petrol. all this happening on the day. it was an ounce. that's a general. so guy. uh, so what became had been removed from his role as had of russia's that aerospace

forces. it just seemed to be caught a lot of time on the top of russia's ministry to yes, that's right, that's a very different explanations. why a general sort of you can was replaced and one of them is clearly connected with the new to me. and so the fact that so as you can was playing the role from missouri to the twins mainland survey commands. and it's pretty gordon displayed language late in this particular case, but they're not the explanation days that sort of you can is responsible for any c, c off right from the fans system when it goes about your premium drones. and of course, it's amazing news that they're seeing the you've just been announced that general sort of the gym is replaced. uh, and the guy was the commander of the defense and the forces

of the same the well for him she has been keels and so she has been to be ships with a defense system. mike and constance, a, i'm sort of beacon was made for manager of russian forces in ukraine in october, 10 months into the wall. he only lasted 3 months before he was replaced in that role. and now he's being replaced again in his new role. is this to him on or at the top of the russian metrics? or is this just how opposing runs it? like i said 3 years in the army and does a duty officer. if you have a 3 commanders, actually in this case, they will not take full of changing at the top in 18 months. then this definitely crisis. there's no talked about that reward is not going the way the crown and

wanted it to go. and i think about a, so there is a search for something that's basically think we lose putting out for some kind of very clever strategy and for some kind of deep thinking. but brian pulled the $22.00 shops for the leading roles and the ministry. and most of the payments for the loyalty, it will be very, very difficult to find someone else hands the crisis right. type of outside comes insane. i do. i'm just konstantin, that i got side russian analysts. thank you. also to the nick lie petro from the german institute for international and security affairs. and that's it for the day . yeah. that's, that's it's the day has come to an end, so i'll be back to the same time. same place tomorrow, between now and then. i will go to the

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