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as an india and today india once a month, 10 dollars on 3 pro touched on of the moon, south pole, the 1st to do so successfully. and following the failure of a russian mission, just days ago to india now joins a small club of nations alongside the us, russia and china that has successfully landed spacecraft on the moon. so who controls access to all the mineral wealth for the bill that i'm feel go in the lane and this is the day the gotta be out to you guys on the moon in new york, but this is not the big stuff that belongs to me. i began
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i on as part of the men and the alarm also coming up the russian media report say the head of the russian, most of the group of wagner and failed to mutiny leaders. guinea pig goshen has been killed in a plane crash in russia. one of the passengers of the 7 passengers killed apparently fog and i'm nursing their a chief, getting the precaution, at least that's what the russian use agency reporting with reference to the russian or the asian. what's doug ross of the yachts yachts? welcome to the day we begin with india, celebrating the successful noun landing of its 10 dining and 3 spacecraft as well as being a technical time for the success of a landing balloon at south pole. opens the door to exploring uncharted territory. an area scientists believe could hold viable reserves or frozen water. a solar
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power drove it will collect the dates of after the next couple of weeks. india success comes just days after rushes, luna $25.00 craft crushed into them or a mission accomplished. chandra and 3 landed on the moon at 4 minutes past 6 pm, indian standard time, admission controlled in bangalore. the relief was as great as the celebrations, the same when for prime minister modi at the break. somebody in south africa, utah at this moment, is the full filament. so the hot beats of 1400000000 people, it gives us new energy you believe and invigorates our country celebrations to in the planetarium in the capital daily. it's just a few days since the russian mission crashed at the luminous south pole. now, the indian mission will start collecting data that's kind of what can be used for
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other space programs in the coming time. probably we can use the docks to take the human back to the lunar surface and also in the other 93 mission. india now has big plans for the space program. i'm on space flight and the construction of a space station or in the pipeline. those will be followed by on my missions to mars and venus. will dr. nonprofit go swami as an independent scholar of space policy and great power politics is also a co op of scrambled for the skies. great power competition to control the results as of out of space. welcome to the de delta, big day for india rise. yes, yes, it is a big day also because as you pointed out in your report is because is the 1st time that a mission has actually landed on the south for there are missions attempted earlier
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. india try to land in 2019 russia is, you know, attempted to land just a few days ago. and so given the fact that the south full terrain is so difficult because of the lack of data. so this mission success mix it and enabling mission for those the emissions that are going to come see the next few years. so yes, it's a big day for india. okay. and a lack of data about the south pole but, but the south pole somewhere a but a countries want to get to particularly just focus through why that is or sure because the salt full of the moon is that area of the moon that has resources like water ice that can be turned into also gen 4, supporting human habitation. it also has resources like titanium, island, or aluminum magnesium that can be utilized. for example, if you want to set up a base on the moon. so that is why, especially many countries are interested in that particular area,
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including the united states, china, russia, and india. so that makes this particular area so strategic because it enables emissions that india will have to now look forward to, for example, in the. a is a partner to the united states. autumn is a court which is just sign in june. and the item is a court actually wants to be able to do restore civilization missions. and so that is why the south pole is so critical for those particular emissions that are going to come in the next say, 5 to 10 years. okay, so it was quite an, a list of, of the minerals and the elements that you, that you listed there on. these are important that these are, these are useful in the electronics and clean technologies. so just is it now going to be the wild west is anyone who can get the, gets a key, whatever they can stuff in that pocket or that rules that international traces. so
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there are agreements, for example, you have the outer space pretty of 1967 that enables you to utilize space, but you cannot claim sovereignties very clear. and india is a signatory. so are all the arguments accords. countries. china is also the signature insights, russia, so you already have root. you also have the 13 d, which has not been rectified by india or any other major space, very nations. so going forward, the hope is that you have an a cord like the autumn is a cord that lease down the principles, the norms and the responsible behavior. the countries have to agree to when they sign it. when the basically invest in missions that i'm looking for commercial capability on the moon. so we are not there yet in start. so we are consensus. i know that that was the executive for an i. i wanted to just clarify what not that yet. at the moment, just because it looks technologically so far away,
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we have time. but anyone who can get up that fast come at the moment, just fill that boots. so yes, because uh, for example, for india, this is the 1st time that it has actually landed on another celestial body. so that means that the item is a cord countries have the capability we'll time to do the kind of lunar emissions. they hope china is going through the saw full of the moon and next year with the traveler 6, which is a lunar sample return mission. so there is a rush to the cellphone, given the fact that it has such strategic significance. and as you said, it is a little bit 1st come 1st serve. so whoever gets there 1st, we will have an advantage. the 1st move or advantage like you have in low earth orbit and doesn't necessarily have to be a country if someone is super wealthy, like richard brands and all jeff bays us wants to have a go with setting up a moon mining company. would they have to apply to someone for a license,
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or can they just have active? so according to the auto space pre t and the liability convention states are responsible for the behavior of their private space actor. so even if they, as you asked the question, even if a law school richard branson wants to go and do a mining activity, they still have to get the license from the state. they are registered to the liability convention mix the states that they are registered to liable for anything that can go wrong. so in the current regulatory pembroke, they will have to get permission from the states they're registered to. they just kind of decide on their own that always wants to go and set up a base and we'll do it. we've already seen no just base model to see if i don't and in the, in the last week or so. we have rushes, luna? 25 admission heading for the moon, south pole, and that's we overtake
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a ton battery and 3, before it crash service sounds like an actual race with such high stakes. besides that, there's little incentive to, to trust any sort of international space traffic control. it sounds like if you can get that you, you get veterans and the devil take the high most. so with the russian do not 25. so it does a mission that was planned for several years and it has been delayed and they also took a much for shorter trajectory to the moon. so they launch much later than india and fight to get their. 1 with more fuel and of course loss because of the propulsion technology misfire reading when they tried to enter the elliptical orbit. so i think because russia knew not 25, it's such a critical political implications. one because of what didn't wanted to showcase russia as remaining a major space power also to create legitimacy for his redeem. and to find that it crush undermines that particular desire office actually raised the stakes for the
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indian space mission for it to succeed. because india signed the argument, the court now uh, it looks like a strategic alignment because it's happening. russia has joined the china, let international do know research station and is collaborating with china to set up a research based on the moon by 2036. china already has the capability to go to the moon and land there upon them as leon dog and the india has it in india, of course, assigned the arguments accord led by the us. so there is a rush at this point of time, and that's why it is extremely important that we have regulatory frameworks and nor mrs. guidelines that are going to determine how this mission lay out. possibly, i think thank you so much for outlining that. so clearly for his doctor, doctor them number off at this moment. thank the the leader of the fog. the most of the group is thought to be
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dead. russian or thoughts. you say you've got a precaution was listed as a passenger on a flight, but crushed on route for moscow to some painters. but as far as you say, 010 people on board, the private jet, what killed in june, who's suffice, is lowest, unimportant attempt to take moscow after taking the regional capital vosta home done valve, the group for the brutal bottle in ukraine for several months to take the city a fact more let's look at this with it and make a lot of petroff of the german institute for international and security. fast dw, so brush. unless konstantin, i got to welcome both. i'm going to start with you nikolai. oh, we don't. at this stage, as you're getting pre gordon was on the passenger list of this a plane that crashed 2 months. exactly. since this failed rebellion, people with the images of the say, this is more than just an accident. what went through your mind when you, how did this uh, well, of course there are
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a lot of conspiracy theories and it's still unknown. what are the reasons pop these a plane crash? there are different scenarios, so it's according to one p. it's caused by a web page. the fans nice file according to another one. there was terribly stick it the i can. so boom, uh it boards. but uh, it looks like multiple live. you're getting you pretty good, but she is right. and then the commands are off of the golf course. name fog, which has been used to meeting with jim. uh they have the keels in vegas cash. mike . so costs and same accidents. oh plots at face is beneficial to effect for president opposing, whichever way you look at it, isn't this oh, well, there are many ways of looking into it. there are some that the saying already that food in strength of his position that he washed away the shame of not being able to
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stop regarding uh, 2 months ago in the fact that seemingly again, allegedly, the plane was hit by an air defense miss. so not far from the area where misses are indeed stationed near put into a residence in northwest and russia. so people say that people's opinion finally scored the point and destroyed his enemy. but all the other hand, uh, some commentators uh saying that basically the procrastination still costs put in a lot of his perceive. moreover, of one of the wits ro talked with about 15 minutes ago. the only conclusion from that is next time you stayed, you cool, go all the way. and frankly, there is another consideration. uh, what we've seen. some people, the k a piece, the lords i spoke to, would pay an extra traditional execution of $10.00 russian citizens in
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a civilian airplane by russian air defense in a box the rocker. see that this puts in, that that helps puts it to run russian. this is huge breaking of all the rules you don't do that like that. and in this respect, i think maybe we see a beginning of a new crisis in russia rather than the end of the garden or rebellion a really you, you're seeing a crisis protein because of extra additional cooling, which of course, he has been accused of time and time again, over the years. why would this one a bad be that potentially the beginning of the end for him? are you? well, it's because i was killed in a mysterious aircraft or in a car crash, or even if he was gunned down by known killers, everyone that would have understood that this is probably probably the crime this job. but it would be normal to use army air defense. look out of this account.
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applying is something really grotesque. and this is something that will not be forgotten by hundreds of thousands of millions of russian civil servants who i used to play by. okay, very strict sometimes pollutants, but you do not use the all the for these things. that's very simple. and i think that this is so all the size of the big that to me will test that out till is just as a human being. i don't think that using such reports, so it proves it's right. it's rather proves the desire to prove strength, which is a completely different. so what source of inquiry do you think that will be? i'm, will anyone have any faith in it? the questions to me to meet? no, i don't think that's going to be any inquired or rather inquiry is going to be superficial . what we do not know yet is what will the russian propaganda
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call it? whether they will say that it's the ukrainians? who did it wasn't able to say it was an x and then well that they will say that the garden was, as they were setting in june, actually a very famous uh, uh, mafioso in his previous life. and finally, some kind of a vengeance caught up with him and his people. oh, that may be a lot of stories. actually. my, uh, my theory is that uh, russian propagandist property, i have a telegram channels of which there are thousands will launch so many versions of this event that people eventually just switch off. i think that's right, that's. they're usually taking such circumstances. i should just say, you know we, we, we picture about that for technical reasons that i have lost the live pat job at the moment. so it's just you and me, constance, a, is there a wagner without pre goshen. and his right hand man, as well as truly wagner grouped was not cold walking about
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accident. it was the uh, the nickname of the uh, known together as they would say in french, the, the battle a nickname of the committee who was a former g r u defendant candle and who created this private group. pretty guardian came in later to become a friend that's of the group for the benefit of foot bought. uh, i think the know the group was because it and we'll see now whether it has new leaders coming up. and then we'll see, well the, the brandon will do to those leaders even if they come up. indeed, maybe, maybe it is the end of the vitamin group as an organized force because they are truly be headed in such and such a formations. usually need carriers metric leaders. in whom do people trust right now they're all. so i think the maybe maybe that they've seen the beginning
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of the end of valve the group as an organized ministry for making i petroff of the drum is to do for international and security of fantasies back with us. so welcome back. let's pick up a cousin, seems to a point that just don't what happens now within a box. and the head has been laptop caused a record of said, this is perhaps the beginning of the end, wherever you on that. or i would say that they've been a visa informed us. your name was and attempts of the, uh, well uh, defense main, your street to get control over about the roof and speed. go ahead and do some degree with things. now i think it's much easier for the military to get what remains from father go. and it's really appreciate how you doing agree with constraints you. but it helps me this area to get these monitoring
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units. wage appear to be pretty much effective in the world, but it's hard to say with that will be possible for them to keep it in a it's a 4 month sheet, but at least we can see that maybe it's every 4th of the, of what you need to to get prism us. busy like a big portion of the boards for a few slots that go by the deep works either way get deep. busy busy with people, and so i see him cuz that's the gamut will certainly was right. so exploits each of the fact that 5 there who is pretty well trained chance, well prepared for the war, but it's got to predict now whether it's going to be possible. busy to use it in a way to has been use fund. busy for the board, and the me to think is that, but that's, that's an interesting point, isn't it? we, we had the, the, at the wagner troops side, effectively signing that loyalty,
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add to the crime rates. those in ukraine. but better of the operations of a spread across africa, did those contain you but managed to buy the kremlin? would they would so soldiers at work and for, for the kremlin nikolai stuff. you know, one of the conspiracy theories besides the scripts is connected with these mis cornflakes. and it's known that the origin of was flying from africa to st. petersburg can do, they have to be ships, at least these. the girl was just built. these thought she was, you know, the conflict waste of the main military intelligence which was trying to get central or what his actions in my lee and some papa and she can follow through. so he plans that although the big washer was too long to continue
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to go out and everything, the confusion, via dms, to get the dental or what he's thought. infrastructure is a breach in march and dances and width uh, thoughts will be possible to continue the so that's where he needs to. like brush i'm calling to tell you that i guess we are talking about a lot of money when it comes to the sort of resources that, that wagner has been able to control across africa. so yes, and i think that that's why the grounds of will continue to use nurseries. and frankly speaking, oh, maybe if i can you cried. you need more careers more then to do stuff. it says, or advocate republic or in the hallway for money. i think there is no shortage of people who will be willing to 7th this formations. um, and i think that to you is it's, it's a real possibility that the g r u will take this whole business over for the
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benefit of the drum is specially know that it's seen of top the included in your share that's the kremlin, is developing a strategy to undermine west and incidence. so basically the district for the west from ukraine by creating problems for in west africa, of replacing rooms that uh, uh, helping the west to fight. we saw him is there that i suppose that these new circumstances, the g r u, the crime in whatever, but the rest of the machine will not set aside lots to get the idea that the want that basically economic political induced reduced this geostrategic interest in effort and defended, so i think that the most there's started will continue even if the bottom the story is all right. and this i petrol. all this happening on the day. it was an ounce. that's a general. so guy uh, sort of became,
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had been removed from his role as had of russia's that aerospace forces. it just seemed to be caught a lot of time on the top of russia's ministry. a yes, that's right, that's a very different explanations. why a general sort of you can was replaced and one of them is clearly connected with the new to me. and so the fact that somebody can was splitting the role from missouri to the twins mainland survey commands. and it's pretty gordon displayed language late in these particular case, but they're not the explanation is that sort of you can, is responsible for any c, c off rod from the fan system when it goes to bottom to premium drones. and of course, it's amazing news that the seeing the you've just been announced that the general sort of each of them is replaced. uh,
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and the guy was commander of the defense and the forces of the same the well uh people have just been keels and so she has been to be ships with a defense system. mike and thompson saying i'm sort of beacon was made for manager of russian forces in ukraine in october 10 months into the wall. he only lasted the 3 months before he was replaced in that role. and now he's being replaced again in his new role. is this to him or at the top of the russian metrics? or is this just how opposing runs it? like i said, 3 years in the army is a duty officer. if you have a 3 commanders, actually in this case, they will not take full of changing at the top in 18 months, then that's definitely correct. so there's no doubt about that. the water is not
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going the way the crown and wanted to go. and i think about a, so there is a search for something that's basically think we lose putting up for some kind of very clever strategy and for some kind of deep thinking. but brian pulled the 2 troops for the leading roles and the ministry. and most of the payments for the loyalty, it will be very, very difficult to find someone else has the crisis. right. type of outside konstantin id. i'm just constantine that i got side russian unless i thank you also to the nicholas petro from the german institute for international and security. a fast. it's on that side of the day. yeah. that's, that's, it's the day has come to an end, so i'll be back to the same time. same place tomorrow. between now and then. i will go to the
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