but the, this is dw news live from berlin. russian officials say that wagner, chief, you're getting promotion is presumed dead in a plane crash. aviation authority said that the mercenary leader from challenge the kremlin, was on a plane that came down after departing moscow with no survivor the . i'm sarah kelly. welcome to the program. the leader of russia's wagner mercenary

group is believed that you have any per goshen was one of lateral pollutants most important allies until he led a june rebellion against moscow's military leadership. russian authorities said that promotion was listed as a passenger on a flight. the crash en route from moscow to saint petersburg. all 10 people on board the private chat were reportedly killed. a telegram channel affiliated with wagner is also saying that promotion died in the crash. none of these reports however, have been independently verified. it all comes exactly 2 months after wagner fighters launched a short lived mutiny. it was seen as the most serious challenge to president vladimir pretend since he took power. well, since that short lived, rebellion from ocean's whereabouts have been unknown and his fate has been a subject of intense speculation. it was initially thought that he had gone to bella ruth, as part of an amnesty deal, or 2 days ago, he resurfaced in

a recruitment video that circulated online that appeared to show him in africa. wagner maintains a strong military presence on the continent in 2010. the video per goshen seemed to indicate that it was business as usual for his nurse and having for a let's go straightened out to database former moscow bureau to if you're able to shadow who joins us from rica as c. w is banned from reporting and russia. good to see you. you're a, what more do we know this morning about the plane crash and the face of you have any promotion? when no, sir, as of this 7 dead passengers, you mentioned type in to v 3 crew members haven't been found and identified. we know from the national evasion authority at all on the opposite. that's a finance here on a fog and i'll give you any precaution ends. they come on the offer wagner. dimitri, what can, what was the passenger list? what is still going to know is whether pedagogy it was actually among the

passengers, which means among the that's now that i still know official confirmation on this, just a report by the precaution, a few, a telegram channel grey's own and also we don't know what ultimately cost of the plane crash, whereas if the plane was a x loaded from the inside or was shut down from the outside. that is evidence for both theories, in both cases, a deliberate involvement, all good, awesome authorities, all just cleaning those couldn't be ruled out. given all of that, what has been the reaction in russia, or was it has been no official or action for all the kremlin so far as it is wild speculation. only the media about what really happened from the dramatic accident of this page to crush as a social media is full of hateful and i wrote new comments and monday, suspect the big ocean is actually not a monkey. that's passengers. photos i posted showing his face with different weeks, a search for this at the, at the off the mutiny 2 months ago. and it also became known at that time that pre

collision has a different passports with different names and different identities. was precautions still considered a threat to food and after his b, me had failed and, and he left or reportedly left russia? well, i don't think that precaution pose, the real fact will post a real catch because the russian president, according to the alleged agreement between putting activate blurs and lead delegation, go directly off to the newton issue uh, 2 months ago, uh, precaution went floors to blow those off to that, she allegedly went to offer the video from as they have was that recent publish decided, even though we don't know if that video was through and to where exactly it was recalled, how the we cons completely roll out the possibility that she's the soldiers could still be able to launch and you moved to the on you cool against booty, but i think everybody in these are in russia. what's the cause of wondering when the goal is to go finally be punished for he's muted you such a crash? would there please be logical as a penalty?

but again, we don't know what actually caused it. and what is likely to happen now to the 25000 wagner fighters, who served under precaution? well, that's a good question indeed. if both lead us always involved in a group of business management on see up regarding the entropy literally, the old can indeed dad vans days of the wagner group as a unified military group. i over, i believe lute because despite all his group deeds is marshall and crew, the appearance was the yeah, kind of car is magically to at least for the pay to mass and raise fighting on the front lines. so i can imagine that the value of the units will no longer exist as a brand, but to many of the soldiers a likely to, to wants to continue fighting as mercenaries is. the only question is, who pays to them? as a minister of defense pays well very well by russians down there. it's about the apparently not as well as precaution, the w theory or shadow. thank you. now

much is still a no and about you have get any promotions fate. but in his home city of st. petersburg, where wagner group has of headquarters, supporters have begun erecting a makeshift memorial for the mercenary leader. for goes in story is a remarkable one. he rose from selling st food to become clinton's personal chef in the kremlin. his growing power as a mercenary leader became cleared during brushes, invasion of ukraine until his ultimate fall from favor. for a few hours, it looked like you had any pre collision posed a real threat to russian president vladimir pretends hold on power the world watched in suspense. this precautions vulcan imagined recruit seized control in real stuff. on dawn, when the southern rushes biggest cities and then at fonts, news towards the capital must go then several hours later, for collusion,

suddenly cooled off the operation. he said he wanted to prevent bloodshed, and that his intent was never to overthrow the government. the very top until the mutiny precaution was seen as the loyal eye of the kremlin nita, of to subbing a prison sentence for robbery. precaution worked his way up to become a successful restaurant in saint petersburg. and in him the nickname pretend chef. eventually that to catering contracts for the russian government. his next business venture was quite different though. founding a private munition known as the wagner group in 2014. the same year of russia and legally antics premiere from ukraine. precaution also established a media group including the troll factory, the united states and other countries accuse of trying to interfere in elections, soft rushes invasion if he crane salted precaution began hiring thousands of soldiers, including convicts to fight and bug me units,

aging the kremlin. so effort, the perhaps biggest triumph was taking the eastern ukrainian city of buck moved, often months of fighting in which rush as the regular army had been unable to prevail over ukraine. but as a precaution found himself more and more in the spotlight, he used to rail against russia's military leadership and its conduct of the war. including the accusation that was not provide in his mass and raised without munitions on our that used to gordon's feud with disability and leadership escalated when he refused to that. his fight to his people have tons of defense ministry come on. and so precaution launched, what he called a much for justice. i mean, we came here to put an end to the disgrace of our country. this year is a 1st step. what we're doing is right. it's to save russia. in moscow shopped lodging, the police included trees in a stop in the back in the middle of a little can you just give me 3?

is any internal tom while you is a deadly threat to us statehood for me to be to us as a nation? the metric, this will get the most, this is a blow. so russia to all people, but not from one of our actions to protect the fatherland from such a threat. if you did, you will be tough to the what the just which is nice and be able to precaution left of the stuff on don't to cheering crowds. but the weekend of kale should left to precarious future for himself and his boss and the empire. the, in the days that followed the president putin embrace to support his trying to protect the strength of to precautions, exploring the challenge to his room and after challenging putin's grip on power, many observers predicted precautions. demise was a foregone conclusion that included us president joe biden. who responded to the

dramatic events in russia. i don't know for 5. for how much do you think i don't know enough. well now let's get more on this. we're going to go to ukraine, where dw corresponded mathias pulling there is standing by with the view from their mathias. any reaction to that crash from the ukranian government? one advise of presidents lensky. mr. porter, new york has said that this was a sign that the russian resume was in stable and that it would take revenge on anybody who challenges put into the power. what he said is that if it's not the hague, if it's not a sentence in an international court, the war criminal those uh will kind of expect it bullied by the f as b by the russian secret service. so of course,

this mutiny of these bargaining mutiny has been followed closely of our a that but it goes in being c as one of put into major war criminals. so there's certainly no sympathies here and i the end the government, nor in the population for his desk. what is the status of precautions of as the mercenary group right now, and will it again be involved in rushes, warren ukraine? do we know there might be some over wagner, units inside the occupied territories, but they have largely been absent from the front lines in the past few months since this mutiny. so for ukraine, this is basically at the moment, not a very, a bit not very big problem. that's not something that have to worry about. mathias today is ukraine's independence day. what is the mode there? in k, the people here are defiant and it's been one and

a half years. and people have suffered immensely. many people have somebody at the front lines, many people have lost somebody. the conditions of life are difficult, pet families are separated. but nonetheless, the conviction that you're trying my son to get the in this is still there. and if there is not as much may be. and susie, as i'm not as much uh, uh, people for example, queuing up in front of the recruitment office. but if we have now a mobilization of compulsory mobilization that is obviously less popular. um people are still convinced that your train must stand together in this and um, where you can see, you can see behind me these tanks, these are russian trophies. these are tongues that ukraine had destroyed at the front lines. they have been brought to the center of keys as a sign of defiance that they've done this last year. and this year again, and people would come here over the day to take a look. big celebrations are off limits because it's still

a war and this would still uh for security reasons, be something that could not be allowed. but um, people here uh, keep supporting the efforts by ukraine. the army is still a quite popular. and yesterday i had a talk with the, the heads of the presidential office, the landscape chief of stuff. and he basically was rather optimistic about the prospects of this war. as little as something simple as opting us, all of which is victory must have been trying to put more head, not saving the 2 of our nation is unprecedented. let people know best, but it said that the mine used to be see it the but i can tell you that this is an employee of mine or myself because at the shore, because it seems to me that we are close to victory, the more sure when use the windows or boy, nobody knows how long this period of time we last for him, but we have already coming in on the waiting yet, and that's what i need. the bottom mathias,

what makes landscapes chief of staff so optimistic, so say that ukraine is quote, close to victory. well if you listen to the 2nd sentence, he said close, but he basically, he doesn't know how long this period of time will last. so he didn't really elaborate how close, and he did not share any military insights to the support the speeds is. but what he says is that the fact that the country still stands united. the fact that a support in wisdom countries is still that it has not vanished. it has not slowed down that would make you crazy strong in the long way. and the slow progress is at the front lines that would eventually lead to victory. that is what you said . the w correspond with his bowling eye and keen. thank you. so you're watching data be it is a quick reminder of our top story. russian authorities say that the head of the bags, converse, and erie group has died in a plane crash. a telegram channel linked to black. there has also pronounced tube

guinea propulsion that it comes 2 months after he lives in the border community against russia's military leadership. up to date on data meetings of next to a special program, an interview with andrea, your mac, the head of the office of to prince president. let him know the door and 6 o'clock screen and don't take mommy to my son. your mommy's not coming back over february 2020 russian troops and they did the ukrainian city of complete.