the discovery stories that just to take away the journey, the destination right signs. this document. trees subscribe. now. name, treat the much anticipated you create encounter offensive hassle far achieved. let the, what many exports have filled for long. it's gradually turning into reality. the war is likely to result in a frozen conflict are about untruths. the latest announcements about denmark, on the netherlands with the f. 16 fighter jets to ukraine are also unlikely to change the scenario. some why. so then the rest have already started to suggest

that ukraine give up line for me to membership. an idea about ukraine has called ridiculous. meanwhile, russia is trying to win new friends at the break summit. and his guess again, blaming the west for ukraine's face. so on to the point we are asking land for bes, showed ukraine gun safe territory to rush up the hello and welcome to do the following them. you shall have us on here in berlin. ukraine is fighting a stuff about that. meanwhile, the news of wagner chief precaution allegedly being aboard a plane, but gras industrial has called everyone's attention. so how would things done out for you? okay, now to understand this of 3 spectacular, i guess with me today we have media impulse man's cheese like spot on eastern

europe at the battles. mindshift them next on the final is come on to get on suspects. caves we're looking fellow at the gentleman institute for international and security f s s w b, and rights extensively on military and security issues. and joining us from our headquarters info on behalf romano going southern gold e books were dw, is the russian desk and has been reporting since the beginning of the war and your brain a very long back. i'm to you all the thank you for joining meeting. ukraine is struggling, joshua is trying to win new friends, a brakes, and then we have this news about walking the chief. how is all of this developing? how would all of this affect the war? now? i do not think that. so what has happens to plan goes in with affect the war directly. i think that russia some uh, picked uh, is uh,

in south africa rica as a vladimir putin would wish for. you said she is looking for new friends. so it's in the, so i'm, and i'm here, so in the, over the past weeks before this plane crash, the scene to it that the situation in africa and it's a prepared somehow and with the major command of the box in a group where it has been very active, the central african republic, libya and so on to, to kind of like get this under control. but at the same time, he is abiding by the globe and ruin some that he's smoking by not appearing and pass. and so at least he's not reaching out to new friends from a strong position, not from a strong position roman. i'd like to know from you how the reactions in you dreamed to the plane crash. now, as well as the reactions were rather reserved, i would say, of course, many people who are very, very heavy because regardless,

he's wagner group and have killed a lot of ukrainian since 2014 monday for us to our sense to ukraine, to fight in. don't boss and some of them also participates in the integration of crime. yeah. boss, in general. um the feeling is that um, uh, the, the scripts in the russian system of power. this became visible during the progression and meet you need the day will remain. and the hope is that some day is a little bit bigger and of course ukrainians follow him. the and the situation in inside the russian military and to gordon has a some of these, some supporters there actually was criticizing the russian defense minister. so they show who and 11 and 14 refused to remove him from his position. so when she goose chase, this will um, in, in the short or middle term perspective. well, a week on the russian army because the, that she's,

she's not popular. and if she stays, this will undermine the russian, the russian war and ukraine. but for the moment, the situation seems stable for most co. mm. probably hear more about that about a plane crash in the future. i'd like to understand about the going to offensive and how the war, where the war stands as of now, is it already frozen conflict? would you say that? i wouldn't say this um. and also side tv often have the picture mind when we speak about a candle fence. if that we see 2 forces on the battlefield clashing at each other. but military operations broke differently. totally differently. yes. aspects to you need to take into consideration like psychological aspects, logistics, etc. and i think from what i can observe from the you create training and countertops that offensive is that is a develop plan that takes these effects into consideration. they work with signaling. they work this type of logical effects. they target also the logistics behind the battle field. so all these other aspects have a very important momentum,

and this momentum can be much bigger than the actual clash on the battlefield. and i think that's the point where you're training and forces i'm working on to create these effects in order to wait and then the russian side on the battlefield to and to re gain the tower, 3 bacon from my by russia. ukraine needs more sophisticated systems like the f, 165 digits, and the daughter's crews messiah's father. moscow has repeatedly warned against the delivery of such weapons systems. a fist fights for every single square columbus of russia and ukraine. both report successes, it's difficult to say which reports are accurate. what's up? the ukranian counter offensive has not been as successful as hopes, however, ukrainian presidency. lensky was able to announce one success this week. ukraine is

guessing f. 16 find subjects. denmark and the netherlands have promised to deliver around 60 to ukraine. it will take months before they all deployable, which is the breakthrough needed for the ongoing offensive. ukraine also wants german torres cruise missiles with no agreements in place yet. these miss tiles can fly hundreds of kilometers fall into russian territory, which is why germany is still reluctant to supply them. for weeks the german government has been assuring you crate and up they are assessing the situation. could f 16 fight to jets on the tourist cruise? mishandled spring, new momentum to the counter offensive? good on what is it that the f? 16, the thoughts and the science can do that other weapons of discount as well. several specs here as well. let's stop was the point of the f sixteens. after this,

there's no made to deliver f. 16 a sixteen's from netherlands and denmark. it's no take up to half a year approximately until the live at until the pilots trained. and you can see that the in ukraine at it is a very political sake. no, i would say it's not military necessarily necessary. i would say, because currently there is no ad dominance for ukraine around its territory. so flying these aircrafts operating them, it's very dangerous. they can be easily target from the russian side. so at the moment, other systems will be more necessary at defense systems, ammunition, etc. but the momentum here, the politic of signals as we continue this to support the new weapon systems we are delivering. so it's more political signal than the military. and why are those systems not being disconcerting? a doubt about, i think most damage mission and the of the defense systems. we are already looking

into scare capacities in the other countries. because me to live at so much a munition already, our economy is not at the point where we can deliver constantly more, it needs to be reproduced. also the, the defense system, the, the iris system is a very complex system that needs a certain time to be produced. so it's nothing we have on the shelf to deliver. but you say it's a political decision then why did it take for the us so long to give permission for the f. 16. well, a very important point from the biden administration of 40 by the administration is not to escalate. they'll always say this and what they say is also they don't want to have ne, to getting into an escalating situation with russia and also on the 2nd aspect here. the 2nd thing we need to look at is the main focus of the buying ministration is still in the, in the pacific with china. so they don't want to be involved too much into europe.

so that's why they are hesitant to bring more material more troops, maybe, or more commitment is at least 2 year old because they have to focus on the other side of the globe. a medium girl. i'm just saying that it does take a long time for the f sixteens to be delivered. now this is not the 1st time that is going to take this long to have been other problems in the past. and, but you create insight is already showing frustration that they haven't been given stuff that they've been promised. why is everything taking so long? because in our political considerations and it has not been taken account of the fact that things as a governments and just set a need time to actually be there and a be a bit be, be made available. and that is, uh, a floor that has been going on through our, um, way of accompanying um ukraine and supporting ukraine. and some

rightly so. um ukraine is um, disappointed or pointing to the fact that this is needing to very concrete but also of human beings on the battlefields. um, because uh, as a matter of fact and what is happening right now is that you crane is some fighting in an offensive which is always more risky and more difficult. but on top it is fighting in a already difficult territory. that has been so heavily mind i'm as i don't think that has been an example and will fer um, or maybe a long back out of the involvement in africa. but it's really a, it's, it's, it's a um, very drastic tenants and plus, um, uh, and in this test set that ukraine is being expected to fight. and in

a way that's nay to what's in there, both sides because they are de mining and or they are, they are of trying to break through the some the census that russia has been booed up, has been building up in the time it took to supplies such an weapons, and to them they are doing batch without an air superiority, which is a reason for that losses. and of course we are not only talking about a such a long length um ms. hyatt and, and cruise miss hyatt spots. and there is also not, and they are not so many or not sufficient attack helicopters. and they are kind of like picking those that russia has spots and some are still available. so that's why you both suggesting that this is more of a symbolic, hadn't been a real one. i'm not saying it's symbolic, but it's not enough. it's not enough. i'd like to go to rome. i know it's not

enough, but the rest has been a sub like weapons. all the base has been extremely slow. but how do you see this? the dependency that ukraine has on the way is because of the weapons. doesn't that kind of give the rest a certain follow to decide what keeps policy shouldn't be like as well. um, the west is already um, in very close talks with ukraine as to what the policy should like but its the ukrainians who have to decide how the how they continue. so um and um, speaking about the web us. yes, the bus has been delivering a lot of options to your claim, but it's not enough as the we've just hers. i totally agree was thoughts. when i was last time a new crime in spring, i asked about f sixteens. they are training soldiers and officers, and they told me we need them a law spots. we don't think that this will be a kind of a magic silver bullets. so they don't believe anymore that any kind of single

weapons will decide the course of this war. so they just need to tanks and artillery and shells for those tanks and notes here as well as the f sixteens. so it's a war of attrition and not so not a frozen conflict. i mean, a war of attrition to when a to create needs, sustainable weapons deliveries. this is what has been promised to ukraine in vilnius or the nato summit to the boss of something that is being questioned now in the american press. so the question is, maybe we will not a cell phone with you as long as it takes in the end. this is the question question mark. so we don't know the answer to the question. the sources are in the most in the united states and media, but with the presidential campaign. next the starting. now, we will hear more and more such a voice is probably and this is what worries ukraine ukraine is worried about. how, how steady will this flow of weapons be from the west? and maybe this is the reason why we present presence the landscape in his address

on the independence di and ukraine was talking more than usual about the u. k. and local production about ukranian own weapons developed, and we've seen that those weapons were successfully used in the black sea attacking russian ships. so on the one hand, we're talking about help from on the west. and on the other hand, the west seems to be getting impatience to make the decision. they must decide when the prerequisites, when negotiations are present and what an acceptable solution is found things. uh and those thing is exchanging tara tree for ukraine's membership and nato. just a misunderstanding. oh is that more to is? how do you see that was the statement really blown out of proportion or is nature walking on a plan b? i won't say it's not an official native position in the run up or to the room. you're summit of nato earlier this year. many scenarios have been discussed because

one of the main points on huge and dominating the age and of to summit was natal membership for ukraine. so the allies discussed the scenarios if this could happen how it could happen. and at the end of one of the major points of made by the us, but also by germany as long as the voice going on natal or ukraine will not become part of nato. then most one of the major points. so other allies then, on the national, a bilateral initiative to develop scenarios, how they could support provide maybe security guarantees. so to support you train the staff, be several ideas coming out from the baltic states, lithuania, but also other countries. my call gave interesting speech and brought his love a for security guarantees around about security guarantees. so they have been some

initiatives of what the countries are considering or planning may be, but not in the nature of framework. currently. it's not an official option, but it is one of the options being discussed of today i think o options should be on the table and discuss otherwise, you know, i'm prepared for what might come um in the end um, many people thing and i think that would be uh where the bind administration, but also our con gym government is looking for having a short term solution. quick solution for the conflict this negotiations. maybe if the situation will be right. if you train, you train on forces took the chief and momentum where restaurant then goes back from its aims targets in this a war and says, okay, we will sit at the table. that's probably one scenario. they are thinking about it, but it's not guiding principle. currently, at least not from natal,

medium talking bugs loads only the ukrainians can decide who's really going to decide the fate of the war filling ski or is it put them? it's not only the landscape, the ukrainian people who in um uh um, almost only sono, will have said that, that is not the so called land versus peace. proposes that that is out of question because it's not territories. it's people living there on these territories and having suffered and human rights violations and atrocities, since 2014. and it's not peace either because there is no concept i'm what to do with, with russia. i mean, russia is not a changing and putting, it's not reconsidering of his approach at all. and his words stand that he sees europe in a 1997 tons a and to it's a threat to

a european security and what he is continuously doing. and to be honest, security because it has also an after effect, if we accept that as subjective of that and a out of order moving us bought us. and so, and as i do not think that uh that is uh, something that i am sure that is not something that you claim cannot accept. but i also show that that is not something that we can accept um because of the reasons i just gave. so can there be a peace treaty then if they go into the i would need to, but only as well, mind guns going southern go as far as he said, it's a vicious rule of attrition. what we have right now and, and only if that will meets on the better for you to a situation that makes poor team, i think, reconsider. we then have the opportunity to actually go into negotiations,

but not in that situation right now. if you talk about peace treaty, the only piece tree i currently can imagine would be refresh or leave us all occupied territories. that's what also the, the aims of video caring inside us having it's occupied territories back. so that's the only position currently where i can see a piece for the other than this. it will be either a wolf official or recreate, or you train your forces together as a support from the best. we create the momentum where your train can achieve on the battlefield, but also aligns with other operations in the information space in the psychological space effects to to toggle the russian on forces. i mean, vice president vladimir fulton has used the brick summit to defend and justify the shows war and you trade both and went on to accuse the west off. i'm leasing the war. the emerging economies want to form a counterbalance to the prosperous west bricks countries account for about 40

percent of the world's population and about the close of the world's economic outputs. the brakes countries could grow, move in full, she countries are interested in joining russian president to 10, joined only by video. cool. he was facing arrests on an international criminal court tomorrow in full toots. and it was an opportunity to show that russia has powerful allies, is the bricks, the lions as influential, cohesive and powerful as it seems. could the geo political world older be on the verge of fundamental change? medium none of the breaks member states have taken any steps again, structure. you have a hard 40 countries. i'm interested. 6, we heard this morning have been approved now is been trying to use breaks of the sheeted to and of course he is trying it. but some, let's see,

to which and extend it will be successful because after all we are talking about a group of countries um that uh for themselves and have a serious consider with the differences. and them we have from the 3 democracy some and we have for russia in china and some we have conflicts between china and india. and so we do not have a serious the piece proposed those plans. um, neither proposed by china. it's by the way, it is hot cots we would have wished for because we, we did see or do see tie not as a, i'm a power for it as a region of power that could influence russia, but they decided not to do so. so i'm back to your question. 14 is trying bucks and a to whether extended we book and also i think it depends on us, but i don't think it's we book as most of the because um,

south africa and also present. i don't think they see them says us on the russians high if they see them says us swing states and following that interests, i would say more offensive desktops being states, they observing what's going on. but they're also bringing that one position into this, like the efforts in initiative when they went to ukraine and most call for peace. and my, they have been in kiff. keith was the tech find the russian side. so i think especially south africa has a strong position on this war, but also brazil. if you look on the statements from the present president, you see, and that's not the united block, the breaks that even if russia have what visit i'd like to go through to long before we conclude the show room on the show is likely to host the break summit next you how is that being to see you then you can as well. um your credit is

country filtering. 5 was the war and is trying to pull at the some of the brakes countries on each side we see more ukrainian diplomatic activity on the african continent, which was kind of neglected by, by the crime in the thought is in the past years, if i may just have 2 or 3 brief remarks to what has been discussing about this proposal to, to exchange land for peace. i think it's a very dangerous discussion because it undermines the west and, and ukrainian efforts to stop this war. just remember, the west said before supplying those heavy weapons to turn those tanks to your crank that your brain should be in a position strong, a position to negotiate with russia. we're not there yet. the fighting continues, and that's why ukraine needs more weapons. no discussions about giving up because roger met 14 is just waiting for the west to blink. so to site, and then here's the thing that he has more a source, right? and then he will win in a year or 2 banks from on. now, when any of the bricks member states be able to get a piece,

be the same between russia and ukraine that needs to be seen, or will ukraine have to give up that a treat? what do you think about it to let us know your thoughts on youtube? thanks for watching. good by the or the

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