the governments that go crazy, so your data explain how these technologies work. so that's how they can also watch it. now the the much anticipated you create encounter offensive hassle far achieved. let the, what many experts have field for long? it's gradually turning into reality. the war is likely to result in a frozen conflict are about untruths. the latest announcements about denmark, on the netherlands with the f. 16 fighter jets to ukraine are also unlikely to change the scenario. some why. so then the rest have already started to suggest that ukraine give up line for me to membership. an idea of that ukraine has called

ridiculous. meanwhile, russia is trying to win new friends at the break summit. and his guess again, blaming the west for ukraine's face. so on to the point we all came, land for bees, showed ukraine gum safe, the 3 to rush up, the hello and welcome to do the following them. you shall have us on here in berlin. ukraine is fighting a stuff about that. meanwhile, the news of wagner chief precaution allegedly being aboard a plane, but gras industrial has called everyone's attention. so how would things turn out for you? okay, now, to understand this of 3 spectacular, i guess with me today we have medium pulse man. she's expired on eastern europe at the battles. mindshift the next on the final is come on the guilt on suspects teams

. we're looking fellow at the gentleman institute for international and security f s s w b, and rights extensively on military and security issues. and joining us from our headquarters info on behalf room, i'm going southern gold e books were dw, is the russian desk and has been reporting since the beginning of the war and your brain a very long back. i'm to you all the thank you for joining meeting. ukraine is struggling . joshua is trying to win new friends, a breaks, and then we have this news about walking the chief. how is all of this developing? how would all of this affect the war? now? i do not think that what has happens to plan goes in way affect the war directly. i think that russia and picked uh is uh, in south africa rica as a vladimir pointing would wish for you said she is looking for new friends,

the southern, the so i'm and i'm here. so in the, over the past weeks before this came, crush the scene to it that the situation in africa and it's a prepared somehow and with the major command of the box in a group where it has been very active, the central african republic, libya and so on to, to kind of like get this under control, but at the same time, he is abiding by the globe through some that he's smoking by not appearing and pass . and so at least he's not reaching out to new friends from a strong position, not from a strong position room. and i'd like to know from you how the reactions in you dreamed to the plane crash. now, as well as the reactions were rather reserved, i would say, of course, many people who are very, very happy because pre gordon has, he's wagner group and have killed

a lot of ukrainian since 2014 when they 1st were sentenced to ukraine to fight in. don't boss and some of them also participates in the integration of crimea. box in general, and the feeling is that the, the scripts in the russian system of power. this became visible during the precaution meet you need the day will remain. and the hope is that some day is a little bit bigger and of course ukrainians follow him. the and the situation in inside the russian military and to gordon has some of these, some supporters there actually was criticizing the russian defense minister. so they show who and of love, even if we can refuse to remove him from his position. so when she go stays, this will um, in, in the short or middle term perspective. well, a week on the russian army because the he's, he's not popular. and if he stays, this will undermine the russian, the russian war and ukraine. but for the moment,

the situation seems stable for moscow. me probably hear more about that, about a plane crash in the future. i'd like to understand about the going to offensive and how the war, where the war stands as of now, is it already a frozen conflict? would you say that? i wouldn't say this um. and also side tv often have the picture in mind when we speak about account to offense. if that we see 2 forces on the battlefield clashing at each of the community operations work differently. totally differently. you have aspects to you need to take into consideration like psychological aspects, logistics, etc. and i think from what i can observe from the you create train and countertops that offensive is that is a develop plan that takes these effects into consideration. they work with signaling, they work this type of logical effects. they target also the logistics behind the battle field. so all these other aspects have a very important momentum,

and this momentum can be much bigger than the actual clash on the battlefield. and i think that's the point where you're training and forces i'm working on to create these effects in order to week, and then the russian side on the battlefield to and to re gain the tower 3 taken from it by russia. ukraine needs more sophisticated systems like the f, 165 digits, and the daughter's crews messiah's father. moscow has repeatedly warned against the delivery of such weapons systems. a fist fights for every single square columbus of russia and ukraine. both report successes, it's difficult to say which reports are accurate. what's up? the ukranian counter offensive has not been as successful as hopes, however, ukrainian presidency. lensky was able to announce one success this week. ukraine is guessing f. 16 fine suggest denmark and the netherlands have promised to deliver

around 60 to ukraine. it will take months before they all deployable, which is the breakthrough needed for the ongoing offensive. ukraine also wants german taurus cruise missiles, with no agreements in place yet. these missiles can fly hundreds of kilometers fall into russian territory, which is why germany is still reluctant to supply them. for weeks the german government has been assuring you crate and up they are assessing the situation. could f 16 find to jets and the taurus cruise, mishandled spring, new momentum to the counter offensive? good on what is it that the f 16 and the daughters and the silas can do that other weapons of discount as well. several specs here as well. let's stop was the point of the f sixteens. after this, there's no made to deliver f. 16 a sixteen's from netherlands and denmark. it's no take up to half

a year approximately until the live at until the pilots of trained. and you can see them the in ukraine at it is a very political sake. no, i would say it's not military necessarily necessary. i would say, because currently there's no ad dominance for ukraine around its territory. so flying these aircraft, operating them is very dangerous. they can be easily target from the russian side. so at the moment other systems will be more necessary at defense systems, ammunition, etc. but the momentum here, the politic of 6, not as we continue this to support the new weapon systems we are delivering. so it's more political signal than the military. and why are those systems not being disconcerting? a doubt about i think most damage mission and the of the defense systems. we are already looking into skag capacities in the other countries because me deliberate

so much of my munition already. our economy is not at the point where we can deliver constantly more. it needs to be reproduced. also the, the defense system, the, the iris system is a very complex system that needs a certain time to be produced. so it's nothing we have on the shelf to deliver. but you say it's a political decision then why did it take for the us so long to give permission for the f. 16? well, a very important point from the biden administration of 40 by and the administration is not to escalate. they'll always say this and what they say is also they don't want to have ne, to getting into an escalating situation with russia and also on the 2nd aspect here. the 2nd thing we need to look at is the main focus of the binding. ministration is still in the, in the pacific with china, so they don't want to be involved too much into europe. so that's why they are hesitant to bring more material more troops, maybe,

or more commitment is at least 2 year old because they have to focus on the other side of the globe. a medium go on, just saying that it does take a long time for the f sixteens to be delivered. now this is not the 1st time that is going to take this long to have been other problems in the past. and, but you create insight is already showing frustration that they haven't been given stuff that they've been promised. why is everything taking so long? because in our political considerations and it has not been taken account of the fact that things as a governments and just set a need time to actually be there and a be a bit be, be made available. and that is a floor that has been going um through our um, way of accompanying um ukraine and supporting ukraine. and some rightly so. um ukraine is um,

disappointed or pointing to the fact that this is needing to very concrete but also of human beings on the battlefields. um, because uh, as a matter of fact and what is happening right now is that you crane is some fighting in an offensive which is always more risky and more difficult. but on top it is fighting in a already difficult territory. that has been so heavily mind i'm as i don't think that has been an example and will fer um, or maybe a long back out of the involvement in africa. but it's really a, it's, it's, it's a very drastic tenants and plus m a and in this test set that ukraine is being expected to fight. and in a way that's nay to what's in the buff heights because they are de mining and or

they are, they are of trying to break through the some the census that russia has been booed up, has been booting up in the time it took to supplies such an weapons, and to them they are doing batch without an air superiority, which is a reason for their losses. and of course we are not only talking about a such a long length um ms. hyatt and, and cruise ms. hyatt spots. and there is also not, and they are not so many or not sufficient attack helicopters. and they are kind of like picking those that russia has spots and some are still available. so that's why you both suggesting that this is more of a symbolic, hadn't been a real one. i'm not saying it's symbolic, but it's not enough. it's not enough. i'd like to go to rome. i know it's not enough, but the rest has been a sub like weapons. all the base has been extremely slow. but how do you see this?

the dependency that ukraine has on the way is because of the weapons. doesn't that kind of give the rest a certain follow to decide what keeps policy shouldn't be like as well. um, the west is already um, in very close talks with ukraine as well as the publisher to live, but its ukrainians who have to decide on how the how they continue. so um and speaking about the web us. yes, the west has been delivering a lot of options to your client, but it's not enough as the we've just hers. i totally agree was thoughts. when i was last time a new crime in spring, i asked about f sixteens. they are currently and soldiers and officers, and they told me we need them a loss, but we don't think that this will be kind of what magic silver bullets. so they don't believe anymore that any kind of single weapons will decide the course of this war. so they just need to tanks and artillery and shells for those things and

they'll tell her as well as the 16th. so it's a war of attrition and not so not a frozen conflict. i mean, a war of attrition to when a to create needs. sustainable weapons deliver as this is what has been promised to ukraine in vilnius or the nato summit to boss something that is being questioned now in the american press. so the question is, maybe we'll go north a cellphone with you as long as it takes in the end. this is the question question mark. so we don't know the answer to the question. the sources are in the most in the united states and media, but with the presidential campaign. next the starting. now, we will hear more in most such a voice as probably, and this is what worries ukraine ukraine is worried about. how, how steady will this flow of weapons be from the west? and maybe this is the reason why we present presence of landscape in his address on the independence di and ukraine was talking more than usual about the ukraine and

local production about ukrainian own weapons developed. and we've seen that those weapons were successfully used in the black sea attacking russian ships. so on the one hand, we're talking about help from on the west. and on the other hand, the west seems to be getting impatient. a close associate of the nato secretary general stein jensen, v simply said in an interview with that ukraine should give up out of instead of a tree for peace and good nato membership ended on. though he did apologize for his comment later, the statement caused us to land for peace. a statement that had not come from brussels. nature's headquarters so far should pops up the turret trees in the south and east a next in violation of international law. since 2014 and now contested, be seated. ukraine is currently fighting to recapture them. this proposals unimaginable for the president. we are ready to exchange belgrade for

a membership and nato document as belle grove belongs to russia, not ukraine. nato secretary general again starts and back attempts to assuage the tension. does not we're not thought. okay, what is decisive is the ukrainians themselves must make the decision. they must decide when the prerequisites, when negotiations are present and what an acceptable solution is. findings and those thing is exchanging territory for ukraine's membership in nato. just a misunderstanding. oh, is there more to is how do you see that was the statement really blown out of proportion or is nature working on a plan b, as i would say, it's not an official native position in the run up on to the virginia summit of natal earlier this year, many scenarios have been discussed because one of the main points on huge and

dominating the agenda of to summit was natal membership for ukraine. so the allies discussed scenarios if this could happen how it could happen. and at the end of one of the major points of may find a us but also by germany. as long as the voice going on natal, ukraine will not become part of nato, then was one of the major points so on that allies then, on the national a by letter it initiative to develop scenarios. how they could support provide, maybe secure to guarantees. so to support you train the f b several ideas coming out from the baltic states lithuania, but also other countries. um i call gave interesting speech and brought his love a for security guarantees around about security guarantees. so they have been some initiatives uh what countries are considering or planning may be,

but not in the natal frame are currently it's not an official option, but it is one of the options being discussed of today. i think o option should be on the table discussed otherwise you, i'm prepared for what might come in the and many people thing and i think that would be uh where the bind administration, but also our con drum government is looking for having a short term solution a quick solution for the conflict this negotiations, maybe if the situation will be right, if you train, you train on forces took the chief and momentum where restaurant then goes back from its aims targets in this a war and says, okay, we will sit at the table that's probably one scenario they are thinking about it, but it's not the guiding principle currently me, at least not from natal. medium talking bugs loads only the ukrainians can decide

who is really going to decide the fate of the war. fill in ski or is it put then it's not only the landscape, the ukrainian people who in a almost only sono, has said that that is not in this so called land versus peace. proposes that that is out of question because it's not territories, it's people living there on these territories and having suffered a human rights violations and atrocities, since 2014. and it's not peace either because there is no concept i'm what to do with, with russia. i mean, russia is not a changing, i'm pointing, it's not reconsidering of his approach at all. and his words stand that he sees in europe in a 1997 tons a and to it's a threat to a european security, what he is continuously doing and to put on the security because it has

also an after effect. if we, except that's a subjective of that and a out of order moving us bought us. and so, and uh, i do not think that, um, uh, that is uh, something that, um i am sure that is not something that you claim cannot accept. but i also show that that is not something that we can accept um, because of the reasons i just gave. so can there be a peace treaty then if they go into the i would need to, but only as whole mind guns going southern go as far as the said, it's a vicious rule of attrition. what we have right now, and i'm only if that rule needs on the better for you to a situation that makes poor team the think reconsider. we then have the opportunity to actually go into negotiations, but not in that situation right now. if you talk about peace treaty, the only piece tree i currently can imagine would be refresh or leave us all

occupied territories. that's what also the damage of to your caring inside us having it's occupied territories back. so that's the only position currently where i can see a piece read the other than this. it will be either a wolf at 1st, or recreate all your training and forced us together, mr. support from the best we create the momentum where ukraine can achieve on the battlefield, but also aligned to this of the operations in the information space in the psychological space effects to, to, to toggle the russian on forces. i mean, vice president allowed to be able to and has use the brick summit to defend and justify shows war and you trade both and went on to accuse the west off. i'm leasing the war. the emerging economies want to form a counterbalance to the prosperous west bricks countries account for about 40 percent of the world's population and about the quotes of the world's economic

outcomes. the brakes countries could grow. move in 40 countries are interested in joining russian. president putin joined only by video cool. he was facing arrests on an international criminal court tomorrow in full toots. and it was an opportunity to show that russia has powerful allies, is the bricks and lions as influential, cohesive and powerful as it seems. could the geo political world older be on the verge of fundamental change? medium none of the breaks member states have taken any steps again. structure you have a 140 countries on i'm interested. 6, we heard this morning have been approved now is been trying to use breaks of the sheeted to and of course he is trying it a but some, let's see to which and, and extend it will be successful because after all we are talking about

a group of countries um that uh for themselves and have a serious consider the differences. and them we have some, the 3 democracy, some and we have flashlight in china. and so we have conflicts between china and india. and so we do not have a serious a piece, propose those plans um neither proposed by china. it's, by the way, it's a short cut we would have wished for, because we, we did see or do see china as a, i'm a power for it as a region of power that could influence russia, but they decide it's not to do so. so i'm back to your question. 14 is trying bucks and a to whether extended we book and we also, i think it depends on us, but i don't think it's we work as most of the because um, south africa and also present. i don't think they see them says us on the russians

high if they see them says us swing states and following that interests, i would say more sense to desktops being states they observing what's going on. but they also bringing that one position into this, like the efforts in initiative when they went to ukraine and most call for peas and my they have been in kiff. kiff was the tech find russian side. so i think especially south africa has a strong position on this war, but also brazil. if you look on the statements from the present president, you see that's not the united block, the breaks yet. even if russia i would visit, i'd like to go to long before we conclude the show room on the show is likely to host the brick summit next year. how is that being perceived in ukraine as well? um, your credit is country preoccupied was the war and is trying to pull at the some of

the brakes. countries on each side we see more ukraine and diplomatic activity on the african continent which was kind of neglected by, by the grinding authorities in the past years. if i may just 2 or 3 brief remarks to what has been discussing about this proposal to, to exchange land for peace. i think it's a very dangerous discussion because it undermines the westland and ukrainian efforts to stop this war. just remember, the west said before supplying those heavy weapons and those tanks to ukraine that ukraine should be in a position strong, a position to negotiate with russia. we're not there yet. the fighting continues, and that's why your brain needs more weapons. no discussions about giving out because the drug important is just waiting for the west to blink. so to site and then it gets to the thing that he has more a source, right. and then he will read in a year or 2 banks from on. now, when any of the bricks member states be able to get a piece, the sign between russia and ukraine that needs to be seen,

or will ukraine have to give up that or treat? what do you think about it to let us know your thoughts on youtube? thanks for watching. good by the or the

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