to we are all set and we're watching closely. we all seem to bring you the story behind the news. we wrote about unbiased information for 3 months. the, the much anticipated you create encounter offensive have so far achieved letter, what many exports i feel it belongs is gradually turning into reality. the war is likely to result in a frozen conflict are about in tools. the latest announcements about denmark, on the netherlands, the f. 16 fighter jets to ukraine are also unlikely to change the scenario some why . so then the rest have already started to suggest that ukraine give up line for me to membership. an idea of that ukraine has called ridiculous. meanwhile,

russia is trying to win new friends at the break summit and his guess again, blaming the west for ukraine's face. so on to the point, we all skate land for bes, showed ukraine gun safe territory to rush. got the hello and welcome to do the following them. you shall have us on here in berlin. ukraine is fighting a tough spot that. meanwhile, the news of wagner chief precaution allegedly being aboard playing the grass industrial has called everyone's attention. so how would things done out for you? okay, now, to understand this of 3 spectacular, i guess with me today we have medium costs, man cheese expired on eastern europe at the battles. mindshift the next on the

final is come on the guilt on suspects. games we're looking fellow at the gentleman institute for international and security f s s w b, and rights extensively on military and security issues. and joining us from our headquarters info on behalf room, i'm going to the ankles. e books were dw, is the russian desk, and has been reporting since the beginning of the war and your brain a very long back. i'm to you all. thank you for joining meeting. ukraine is struggling. joshua is trying to a new friends, a breaks, and then we have this news about walking the chief. how is all of this developing? how would all of this affect the war? now? i do not think that. so what has happens to plan goes in with affect the war directly. i think that russia some uh, picked uh is uh, in south africa rica as a bloody new point in would wish for you said she is looking for new friends.

certainly. so i'm, and i'm, yes, so the, over the past weeks before this chain crush the scene to it that the situation in africa and it's a prepared somehow and with the major command of the box and a group where it has been very active. the central african republic, libya and so on to, to kind of like get this under control. but at the same time, he is abiding by the globe through some that he is smoking by not appearing in person. so at least he's not reaching out to new friends from a strong position, not from a strong position roman. i'd like to know from you how the reactions in you dreamed to the plane crash now. as well, directions were rather reserved. i would say, of course, many people who are very, very happy because regardless, he's wagner group and have killed

a lot of ukrainian since 2014 monday for us to our sense to ukraine, to fight in gun boss. and some of them also participates in the integration of crime. yeah. boss, in general. um the feeling is that um, uh, the, the scripts in the russian system of power. this became visible during difficult and meet you need the day will remain. and the hope is that some day they will be bigger and of course, ukrainians follow him the, the situation inside the russian military and precaution has some of these, some supporters there actually was criticizing the russian defense minister. so they show who and of luxury pushing refused to remove him from his position. so when she go stays, this will um, in, in the short or middle term perspective. well, a weekend, the russian army because the he's, he's not popular. and if he stays, this will undermine the russian, the russian war and ukraine. but for the moment,

the situation seems stable for moscow. mm. probably hear more about that about a plane crash in the future. i'd like to understand about the going to offensive and how the war rare to war stands as of now, is it already a frozen conflict? would you say that? i wouldn't say this um and also sorry tv often have the picture in mind when we speak about account, the offense of that we see 2 forces on the battlefield clashing at each other. but military operations look differently. totally different. the aspects to you need to take into consideration like psychological aspects, logistics, etc. and i think what i can observe from the create train and countertops that offensive is that is a develop plan that takes these effects into consideration. they work with signaling. they work this type of logical effects. they target also the logistics behind the battle field. so all these other aspects have a very important momentum,

and this momentum can be much bigger than the actual clash on the battlefield. and i think that's the point where you're training and forces i'm working on to create these effects in order to wait and then the russian side on the battlefield. and to regain the territory taken from it by russia. ukraine needs more sophisticated systems like the f. 16 fighter jets and the daughter's crews messiah's father in law school has repeatedly warned against the delivery of such weapons systems of fist fights for every single square kilometer russia and ukraine. both report successes, it's difficult to say which reports are accurate. what's up? the ukranian counter offensive has not been as successful as hopes. however, ukrainian presidency. lensky was able to announce one success this week. ukraine is guessing f. 16 fine suggest denmark and the netherlands have promised to deliver

around 60 to ukraine. it will take months before they all deployable, which is the breakthrough needed for the ongoing offensive. ukraine also wants german torres cruise missiles, with no agreements in place yet. these missiles can fly hundreds of kilometers fall into russian territory, which is why germany is still reluctant to supply them. for weeks, the german government has been assuring you crate and up they are assessing the situation. could f 16 find to jets? and the torres cruise missiles bring new momentum to the counter offensive. good on what is it that the f 16 and the doors and the cycles can do that other weapons of discount as well. several specs here as well. let's stop was the point of the f sixteens. after this, there's no made to deliver a 16, a 16 from netherlands, and denmark will take up to half

a year approximately until the live out until the pilots i've trained. and you can see them the in ukraine at it is a very political sake. no, i would say it's not military necessarily necessary. i would say, because currently there's no ad dominance for ukraine around its territory. so flying these aircrafts operating them, it's very dangerous. they can be easily target from the russian side. so at the moment, other systems will be more necessary. defense systems, ammunition, etc. but the momentum here, the politic of 6. now as we continue with the support, the new weapon systems we are delivering. so it's more political signal than the military. and why are those systems not being disconcerting? it's now about, i think, most damage mission and the of the defense systems. we are already looking into scare capacities in the other countries because me to live at so much

a munition already. i kind of money is not at the point where we can deliver constantly more, it needs to be reproduced. also the, the defense system, the, the iris system is a very complex system that needs a certain time to be produced. so it's nothing we have on the shelf to deliver. but you say it's a political decision then why did it take for the us so long to get formation for the f? 16? well, a very important point from the bind administration of 40 by the administration is not to escalate. they'll always say that's what they say. is also they don't want to have ne, to getting into an escalating situation with russia and also on the, the 2nd aspect here. the 2nd thing we need to look at is the main focus of the by net ministration is still in the, in the pacific. china, so they don't want to be involved too much into europe. so that's why they are hesitant to bring more material more troops, maybe,

or more commitment is at least 2 year old because they have to focus on the other side of the globe. a medium girl, i'm just saying that it does take a long time for the f sixteens to be delivered. now this is not the 1st time that it's going to take this long to have been other problems in the past. and, but you create insight is already showing frustration that they haven't been given stuff that they've been promised. why is everything taking so long? because in our political considerations, and it has not been taken account of the fact that things as a governments and just set a need time to actually be there and a be if it be be made available. and that is a, um, a floor that has been going on through our, um, way of uh, accompanying um ukraine and supporting ukraine and some, uh,

rightly so. um ukraine is um, disappointed or pointing to the fact that this is needing to very concrete but also of human beings on the battlefields. um, because uh, as a matter of fact and what is happening right now is that you crane is some fighting in an offensive which is always more risky and more difficult. but on top it is fighting in a already difficult territory. that has been so heavily mind i'm as i don't think that has been an example and will fer um, or maybe a long back out of the enrollment in africa. but it's really a, it's, it's, it's a very drastic tenants and plus, and, and in this test set that ukraine is being expected to fight. and in a way that's nay to what's in there,

both sides because they are de mining and or they are, they are of trying to break through the some the census that russia has been bid up has been booting up in the time it took to supplies such an weapons, and to them they are doing batch without an air superiority, which is a reason for that losses. and of course, we are not only talking about a such a long length and besides and, and christmas highest spots. and there is also not, and they are not so many or not sufficient attack had a cop to us. and they are kind of like picking those, but russia has spots and some are still available. so that's valuable, suggesting that this is more of a symbolic, haven't done a video on i'm not saying it's symbolic, but it's not enough. it's not enough. i'd like to go to rome. i know it's not enough, but the rest has been a sub, like weapons. all the base has been extremely slow. but how do you see this,

the dependency that your plan has on the way is because of the weapons. doesn't that kind of give the rest a certain follow to decide what keeps policy shouldn't be like as well. um the west is already um in very close as talks with ukraine as well. the policy should live but its ukrainians. who have to decide on how the, how they continue. so, um and speaking about the web us, yes, the bus has been delivering a lot of weapons to your claim, but it's not enough as the we've just hers. i totally agree was thoughts. when i was last time a new crime in spring, i asked about f sixteens. they are crying and soldiers and officers, and they told me, we need them a loss. but we don't think that this will be kind of our magic silver bullets. so they don't believe anymore that any kind of single weapon will decide the course of this war. so they just need to tanks and artillery and shells for those things. and

they'll tutor as well as the 16th, so it's a war of attrition. and lots and lots of frozen conflict. i mean a war of attrition to when a to create needs. sustainable weapons deliver as this is what has been promised to ukraine in vilnius or the nato summit to boss something that is being questioned now in the american press. so the question is, maybe we will not have a cell phone with you as long as it takes in the end. this is the question question mark. so we don't know the answer to the question. the sources are anonymous in the united states. a media box with the presidential comparing. uh, next the starting. now we will hear more and more such a voice is probably and this is what worries ukraine ukraine is worried about how, how steady will these flow of weapons be from the west. and maybe this is the reason why we present presence of landscape in his address on the independence di and ukraine was talking more than usual about the ukraine and local production

about ukrainian own weapons developed. and we've seen that those weapons were successfully used in the black sea attacking russian ships. so on the one hand, we're talking about help from on the west. and on the other hand, the west seems to be getting impatient. a close associate of the nato secretary general stein jensen, v simply said in an interview with that ukraine should give up out of instead of a tree for peace and good nato membership ended on. though he did apologize for his comment later, the statement caused us to land for peace, a statement that have not come from brussels. nature's headquarters so far should parts of the territories in the south and east a next in violation of international law. since 2014 and now contested, be seated. ukraine is currently fighting to recapture them. this proposals unimaginable for the president. we are ready to exchange belgrade for

a membership and nato document. as belgrade belongs to rush or not to crane, nato secretary general again starts and back attempts to assuage the tension. does not, we're not thought. okay, what is decisive is the ukrainians themselves must make the decision. they must decide when the prerequisites, when negotiations are present. and what an acceptable solution is funding. so those thing is exchanging territory for ukraine's membership in nato just a misunderstanding. or is there more to is how do you see that was the statement really blown out of proportion or is nature walking on a plan b or i won't say it's not an official native position in the run up on to the virginia summit of natal. earlier this year, many scenarios have been discussed because one of the main points on huge and

dominating the agenda of to summit was natal membership for ukraine. so the allies discussed scenarios if this could happen how it could happen. and at the end of one of the major points of made by to us, but also by germany as long as the voice going on natal or ukraine will not become part of nato, then was one of the major points so on that allies then, on the national by letter it initiative to develop scenarios, how they could support provide maybe security guarantees. so to support you train the death, be several ideas coming out from the baltic states lithuania, but also other countries. um i called gave interesting speech and brought his love a for security guarantees around about security guarantees. so there have been some initiatives of what countries are considering or planning may be,

but not in the native frame or currently it's not an official option, but it is one of the options being discussed of today. i think o options should be on the table and discuss otherwise, you know, i'm prepared for what might come in the and many people thing. and i think that would be uh where the bind administration, but also our con jim government is looking for having a short term solution. quick solution for the conflict this negotiations. maybe if the situation will be right, if you train your training on forces, took the chief and momentum where restaurant then goes back from its aims, targets, and ranging and putting it's not really considering of his approach at all. and his words stand that he sees europe in a 1997 tons a and to it's a threat to a european security,

what he is continuously doing and to put on the security because it has also an after effect. if we, except that's a subjective of that and out of order moving of bought us. and so i'm a, i do not think that, um, uh, that is a something that i am sure that it's not something that you claim can't accept, but i'm also sure that that is not something that we can accept because of the reasons i just gave. so can there be a peace treaty then if they go into the pas, we'd need to, but only as whole mind guns gone southern go as far as the said, it's a vicious role of attrition. um, what we have right now, and i'm only if that rule needs on the better for you to a situation that makes poor team to think reconsider. we then have the opportunity to actually go into negotiations,

but not in that situation right now. if you talk about peace treaty, the only piece 3 i currently tend imagine would be refresh or leave us all occupied territories. that's what also the damsel still getting inside is having its occupied territories back. so that's the only position currently where i can see a piece for the other than this. it will be either a wolf at 1st, or recreate all your training and forced us together, mr. support from the best we create the momentum where ukraine can achieve on the battlefield, but also aligned to this of the operations in the information space in the psychological space effects to, to, to toggle the russian on forces. meanwhile, the president vladimir fulton has used the brick summit to defend and justify shows war in ukraine. holden went on to accuse the west off. i'm leasing the war. the emerging economies want to form accounts abundance to the prosperous west.

bricks, countries account for about 40 percent of the world's population and about the close of the world's economic outputs. the brakes countries could grow, move in 40 countries are interested in joining russian president putin joined only by video cool. he was facing arrests on an international criminal court tomorrow in full truth. and it was an opportunity to show that russia has powerful allies is the bricks and lions as influential, cohesive and powerful as it seems. could the geo political world older be on the verge of fundamental change? medium, none of the breaks member states have taken any steps again, structure, you have a whole lot 40 countries. i'm interested. 6, we heard this morning have been approved. now is been trying to use breaks of the sheeted to and of course he's trying it a but some,

let's see to which and extend it will be successful. because after all, we are talking about a group of countries um that uh for themselves and have a serious consider with the differences. and them we have some, uh, the 3 democracy some uh, and we have for restaurant and china and some we have conflicts between china and india. and so we do not have a serious the piece proposed those plans. um, neither proposed by china. it's, by the way, it's a short cut we would have wished for, because we, we did see or do see tie not as a, i'm a power for it as a region of power that could influence russia, but they decide it's not to do so. so i'm back to your question. 14 is trying bucks and a to whether extended we book and we're also, i think it depends on us, but i don't think it's we book as most of the because um,

south africa and also present. i don't think they see them says us on the russians high if they see them says us swing states and following that interests, i would say more sense to desktops being states they observing what's going on. but they're also bringing that one position into this, like the efforts in initiative when they went to ukraine and most call for peace. and my, they have been in kiff. kiff was the tech point russian side. so i think especially south africa has a strong position on this war, but also brazil. if you look on the statements from the present president, you see that's not the united block, the breaks that even if russia have what visit i'd like to go through to long before we conclude the show room on the show is likely to host the break summit next year, how is that being perceived in ukraine as well?

um, your credit is country appropriate, 5 was the war and is trying to pull at the some of the brakes. countries on each side we see more ukrainian diplomatic activity on the african continent, which was kind of neglected by, by the granting authorities in the past years. if i may just have 2 or 3 brief remarks to what has been discussing about this proposal to, to exchange land for peace. i think it's a very dangerous discussion because it undermines the west and, and you're bringing efforts to stop this war. just remember, the west said before supplying those heavy weapons and those tanks to your crank that your brain should be in a position strong, a position to negotiate with russia. we're not there yet. the fighting continues, and that's why ukraine needs more weapons. no discussions about giving up because drug important is just waiting for the west to blink. so to site and then it gets to thing that he has more sources, right. and then he will win in a year or 2 banks from on. now, when any of the brakes member search be able to get a piece,

be the same between russia and ukraine that needs to be seen, or will ukraine have to give up that a treat. what do you think about it to let us know your thoughts on youtube? thanks for watching. good, by the or the

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