to those who now understand can have a think like the vice president. do you have any news on instagram to follow up the this is data, be news, africa coming up on the program can break, help build as percent heads of state from the continent trunk to johanna space to meet with need. as of the bridge countries, expectations for this partnership, all hi, will they be events? could your job soon be taken over by a computer? that's what's happened to this man in kenya? thing when told me, i'm going to click. so even when you'd say next week or next month, i wouldn't do this long before and then get this amount of money when it came,

it's kind of us this plan. so you went back to 0 because tasks points don't even know. mostly i will be in conversation with wonderful that because most recognize office mix missile will tell us about his new novel quote. for you out. still a good the hello, i'm christine. when do i? it's good to have your company. the spotlight was on johannes, but it gets solved africa hosted the brake summit that is off the group of developing nations, brazil, russia, india, china, and saw the africa agreed to expand the group and grunted membership to 6 small countries. now the summit drew a lot of attention this year because of the geo political backlash over the war and ukraine. bricks, countries have refused to sanction russia despite the west quoting on them to do so

. but this is meeting had a particular focus on africa and several hits of state from the continent were in attendance, dw correspondence, diane, who has more on that on the 15th brick summit, focused on how the blocking beta co operate with african states. no, to be 2 of the 6 new members off from the continent. egypt brings with its a sizable economy. it's a ppo ppo, a large population. the brits members have expressed interest in accessing the african free trade area. the area is not yet active. however, when it is, it will mean that african states will trade with one another with reduced terror. african leaders who attended the summit, say that interested in partnering with bricks, but a weary of being used by external parties. that'd be as president toll the summit that brooks could help with decreasing the cost of borrowing. for many african states who are paying high interest rates were on these president told us that much

the country wants help with modernizing its manufacturing sick to china is re active on the extra con, confident, particularly in the area of construction. and so if ever does pointed out that there's a need to create balance in that relationship, and african leaders say they don't only want to trade in commodities. instead, they want to equitable skills transfer in areas like the production of biofuels and the creation of solar energy plots. what is clear is that with the addition of 6 new members, the dynamics with in bricks likely to change in 2024. and to talk more about what came out of the break summit this year, we've invited rosie a con onto the program. she's chief economist for africa and the middle east that stand a choice of bank. welcome to the diabetes africa, rosie. as o e. c o p a and egypt has been invited to join bricks. we know that there were other african countries who have that same ambition. how did these 2 countries make

the cut? thank you, christine. that's is a very good question. and i think to understand this, we need to look at the context of how this grouping came about. it started out earlier on when countries like brazil, india, china, was seen amongst the false to growing economy. it's globally. and the idea was to create something off. another line to movement, perhaps a recreation of what had already been the made up of this grouping of countries. but economically we're doing back much better major re magic markets. now with the announcement the signals, the 1st time since 2010 that that has been any agreements and they kind of consensus on an expansion of that grouping. so the question many will have is, what does this ultimately mean for african economies? we know, but a loss of what is expressed by the big brakes grouping. let's look again at the

global financial architecture. let's ask questions about whether this is actually working for developing countries. actually meeting the needs of developing countries. south africa has been at the forefront of suggesting that maybe that is a case very full of the global financial architecture. but when it comes to the very specific needs of african countries, it has been less adapt less gridable at delivery and russ. yep. we know that bridges countries now have this ambition to, to sort of reduce this width in economic dominance. but we have in the global world or that one of the conversations is that they want to stop using the dollar for trade between bricks countries. they've been told of creating a new car and see instead of the dollar, it doesn't appear that they've had success on that front. so could you stop by telling us what is the advantage of not using the dollar to trade? and why is that seemingly so difficult to do?

okay, so i think there are 2 very important different pups to this and it an important distinction but needs to be made. first of all, is this just about facilitating global trade and the great to use of local currencies in that global trade in that cross border trade? or is it actually a move against using the dollar? many of the breaks economy is, let's not forget that with this potential expansion. countries like saudi arabia and the u, a e, currently with pegs too, but dollar itself are going to be joining this grouping. so the suggestion being put forward is instead of seeing trade and all of the activity, all of the potential benefits that stem from that receding, isn't there another way to organize things when more use could be made of local occurrences? so a very clear distinction. this is not necessarily a move against the dollar. it's about offering the question whether there is

a more efficient way to be organized, right? international trade, trade between countries. right. and so roughly, i saw that because presidents are on a pulse, i said, you know, we want breaks to help us build infrastructure in africa. the a, you commission, chairperson said brooks could make africa more food, secure. there seems to be high expectations among african b. this ken works, deliver all of this, practically. it's not clear that any one grouping is going to be the solution for all of the regions requirements. what we do know is that that has been a lack of investment within africa for a long period of time. the perceptions that in a world of higher interest rates, especially how your interest rates in developed markets. but there are some how great to credit risks associated with investing. an african, they called him, is the demons by global investigators. but what we call higher risk premium,

they want to see how your returns, if they're going to be taking on the risk of putting more money into african infrastructure in a world where the cost of capital is higher, this hasn't necessarily suited the needs of applicant economies. so i think one of the major threats sir, is just not suggest that the brakes grouping is going to be the solution on its own to all of that. but to ask, is there another way on the other ways, perhaps through the multi lateral development bank. now associated with the brakes, the new development bank, is there a way of scaling up finance to a region where the need for that financing is still very graves and just find the rise yet coming back to this ambition that breaks countries have to reduce global width in economic dominance, what progress have they made to that effect? many would argue that it's not about that's a tool,

but this is just down to perception. what it really is is about seeking ways of increasing co operation, increasing the amount of trade done amongst these emerging market. some of them in the pulse had been growing very rapidly, that trend has changed over a decade of relative imaging. well could slow down. we no longer think of south africa, for example, as an economy that's been doing particularly well present in trauma. pulls himself, had outlines very clearly on the eve of the summit that choosing to co operate small with brakes. other brakes the economy is, doesn't mean that south africa is retreating in any meaningful way with its co operation with the rest of the world. the shouldn't be seen as an, as he western grouping necessarily. it's just about looking to explore whether there are other ways to secure the financing that is needed to deepen trades to deepen cooperation with other emerging markets as well as

a con. we appreciate your insights on the program. thank you very much. thank you. the these days we have more and more about this information or fake news. some may like to quoted many blame social media and point the finger at big tech platforms such as facebook or ex, formerly known as teresa ought to talk for enabling the sprint. now several african countries are considering banding, some of these platforms last week. for instance, somebody a band tick, tock, antenna, graham, and, and can you members of parliament had been discussing similar restrictions for take talk. the argument is that these social media platforms allow this information to thrive and influence social discourse, closing hom, most would be during conflicts or important events like national elections. to talk more about this, we've invited or done them, i don't onto the program. he is a days to june list and research a form is in a, that's

a non profit behind the firefox browser. hold on that has been recognized for his work looking into how social media platforms are impacting political discourse. it's really good to have you on the program. and perhaps you want to start by you telling us a little bit about the research that you did in kenya. so to whole take firms accountable for the influence that they have. what did, what did you find? so i've been looking into how the artificial intelligence systems of social media companies have been feeling described of miss miss. and this information within the ecosystems of african countries. and maybe so specifically focused on how the systems of opportunity this information and hate speech, especially during last years can or the last is dental and the elections and kind of right. and so when we talk about this information here, this is of course, a universal challenge. we know that a number of countries around the world have flat concerns about that this

information that's floating public access, specifically around elections, etc. so this is a universal challenge, but in the african context, how much of a problem is a given that match of all electric don't necessarily have access to these platforms as well. i would say that they did that the african continent is none, is, is not as connected as it used to be. is, is that may be a, that perhaps needs to move on a debit, or maybe after, because like i committed to the internet and i have currently in gauging within social media platforms kind of mtv and can itself as 11000000 users times i need cell phones who has quite tens of millions of use of in, you know, collectively we're talking about of a population of almost 200000000 people within the continent that are connected to the internet and primarily, or the connected to the internet. primarily through the use of social media

applications. so i do believe that the influence of such kinds of and if it is activities such as the spread of me said this information after the student do have or they have a chance to have some bbc vs infant within the population. and secondly, it's very important to consider the fact that what happens on the line does not stay online. these are happening online, have an equal influence on the things that end up happening offline. and that really many cases where we have seen, you know, use information that's started circling on platforms. did you tell me has ended up find interesting itself in the world. so one of the things that we have in cannot, is for the longest time we have had the big problem with what we call the election denied using right. where the southern part is often times i refuse to accept you through the mess up in election, or there would be

a local verified information that is spreading around and doing that like sometime pertaining to, pertaining to whether someone has one or not. and in this specific case, it can now, one of the things that we saw was that we had that queue. so based on the state could be kept himself so women which led to quite a shop rising anxiety, mazda, mazda electronics. you know, the visa, this is a problem, is that because we have a very long he's still the election fan or what are those pushed the election ballot. so companies in the country and most, most recently, especially within pink, $17007.00. that's come to mind and that is something that we have to take because for example, his speech that is 15. um these are social media platforms. who does that mean with the insect to a lot of people because it can be easily timing to offline violence as well. so what the dental would you say is, is, is your message and,

and who is this message being directed to? are you saying that we need to regulate these platforms? are you speaking to uses directly? how are we going to safeguards our democracies in a way um, from, from this, this information that, as you say, doesn't stay on line, but really manifest itself in the real world. the one thing that i would see is that's definitely it's time to have a conversation about how to the eclipse activities of tech science platforms within the country. and this is not something that you'd have been in the one country recently. it's been seeing that there's, you know, very big 10 in the present to you take talk about stopping africa. i'm finding the question the trip tape. that's the, that's the order of a, it's not necessarily the answer to the question best. the questions that you're

asking, what do we need to do is have a conversation about what content is allowed to manifest in these back forms and what content is not. and the systems that and, and the system that has been designed to displace. what exactly does it allow to describe within it and what kind of values does it, does it? falstaff. and we as a continental, what, what are we looking to get out of this? because you guys get this conversation has been led by the platforms and on the side of the bathtub, citizens themselves. because remember, social media companies and social media platforms. i hit the side of us products, right? we will end up in that case where by, as we have seen, with many of the corporation and global corporations, that's the best of the best quality of the social media platform is likely going to be subject to what's majority, you know, majority west and countries. and there be any west of the platform is probably going to be delivered to the global sales countries. these companies that are there

to make profits. and we need to understand the problem that best buy from that perspective. all right, that's all done. but do talking to us one matter of the we appreciate your insights . thank you. it's now it's an online gig that's been putting food on the table for some canyons for years now. ghost writing is often referred to as online academic writing. that sounds quite respectable, but the work has a shadow we side to it's basically it's smart people doing assignments with university students for a fee, but that artificial intelligence is disrupting this kind of work as felix learn go reports and i wrote the 20th of easy for me to use a professional contract right? time for students that didn't at fort end universities. although the industry has been looked at too much of it was also security as it has widely been stigmatized as cheating. 20 says he has read 10 more than 700 assignments in the last 2 years.

but that of a listen as the abilities of the i to produce machines and the rate at texas affected him drippy with everything when tally. i'm so even when you'd say next week or next month, i wouldn't do this long before and, and get this amount of money when to be to can, it's kind of reversed the supplies. so you went back to 0 because the tasks went down and almost me check zippy to meant the bottom fell out of that market for a text crafted by human brains. many of his colleagues in the field went out of business. the people who bucked off since as soon as i can, because for them they for the 3 months they could not see an income. so they decided to throw in the towel and they went away. and so is disrupting content creation across the board. not just in pretty federal industries like tony's,

but some tech exp, but see that's rather than viewing it as a threat to pursue the knowledge, the navy tumble of change and embrace it as an opportunity. i think for a few days. and i mean, you have to accept it about the impacts will be on jobs. but you shouldn't look at it from a fuck. that's people going to lose jobs. what are you standing us? it's telling us like, what do we need to do? that's machines got to do because i'm saying if just like you mentioned, what i'll capabilities. but as well, what do you see that the machine is going to do? that is where we need to tap to tap into. tony sees that's a, i has been a lightbulb moment for him and should be for many people, you know, i dream of industries and i also work up a quote that's today and could be enjoying you. uh you are what you are doing to under living, but you don't know about the numbers that you have to me. sylvester talent, so informed says that you understand, uh, this is what it's kind of do and decide its limits. and as i, you know,

i can go beyond the disagreement for tony and humphrey is clearly part of the future. but the question remains on the grid disrupt or will lose of watching. you can also be a great creator of new jobs. the annual african book festival has kicked off here in berlin, the 3 day event as a celebration of african literature and culture. it's the 5th time it's taking place in the german capital. the festival off is a journey into the diverse literary landscape of the continent. from panel discussions to readings, the festival creates a platform for both established and emerging african office to share their stories and ideas and the names to bring the essence of the continents narratives to life. get in your us. and i'm joined in state here by one of the office through the process of paste it in the africa book festival hearing berlin. nicholas uncle is an award winning all of that. in fact, the new york times quote,

in one of the most high sports at new voices of sub africa's post, a positive literary scene make has published 10 novels since his 1st one in 2004. it's really good to have you back on the w and use african they did you stop by telling us about your novels? what inspires the stories that you right. thank you for inviting me. show festal for novice actually helped me to, to cut that. you know, it's like, and for instance, your us, the, you know, you have a condition, maybe a sick and then you went to good to a delta. so right thing and all of you become here. and that's why i loved i to such a form of therapy. we said stuff and tell me a little bit about the stories. what, what do you writes about? so and especially with doug a duck in my 1st mobo douglas published in 2000 in 2004 is set at the university environment. it's about my experiences and the experiences of either black, right?

those sort of like, uh, limos or students who find themselves stuck in the what used to be white only institution does cause how about shock, you know, so i went to events invested in 1994 and the bits and visiting before then used to have caught or attended by black people, you know, so you wouldn't attend this policy. it's something that about this i've definitely got so going there. now you for the 1st time you started with people that, that not from your culture that grew up. you know, the whites for instance, because i don't think it was is it was. busy i'd say get it done around that time. so it's about the light of the young black. it may or not only made but the young black or south africans and, and i know that in your, in your all right. and you've also explored the theme of xenophobia. tell us a little bit more about that. yes, i am. i grew up enjoying this thinking. the best quotes, the, you know,

is showing the insulates. all right? so what happens is that every now and then you know, this, that, this, that is got lots of turn in just economic challenge associated bounce. yes, the township, so everyone is 5 to over a little come, you know, to feed their families and stuff. so you'll find people starting to blame one another. so i find that sometimes, you know, this sparks dental phobia for instance, right? in most cases and which uh, as to do some unfortunate incidence that happened in philadelphia, got the oval forwarded. and your license hopefully you told us about your 1st is called for you out. still a good. what's it about it so, so for you, i spent a good is a collection of short stories, 10 short stories. and one is that, yeah, in the, in building is quoted for you as did a good. so is that, that on the call the time the by that started when i was trying to ride, you know,

as trying to blend the african spirituality and the, and with the a german culture. you know, because these are the, is the story about a, it's the german lady in the, you know, in the south african guy. so it's state that i'm about, but that a 9 more stories that best that didn't set the free go and explore themes of 6, while orientation themes about identity, unemployment homelessness, eh, a approved ment whereby people have been moved out from 1956 for instance. so 5 ton area in to what we call today. so for it so well, so it's set that on that time. so it sounds like a very interesting read and i'm really hoping that we can bring you back on to the program some time to explore more about the website is like for now. thanks very much, nick. single. thanks. and

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