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of the 45 minutes long t w. these places in europe are smashing the record, stepped into a folded venture. it's the treasure map for modern globetrotters. discover some of us record breaking site on google maps to and now also in book form the this is data be news applicant coming up on the program. ken riggs helped build f percent heads of states from the continent truck to joanna space to meet with the leaders of the countries. expectations for this partnership. all hi, will they be events at? could your job soon be taken over by a computer? that's what's happened to this man in kenya. thing when tell me i'm going to so even when you'd say next street or next month, i wouldn't do this long before and, and get this amount of money. when it came,
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it's kind of us to display. so you went back to 0 because tasks points don't even know. mostly i will be in conversation with wonderful that because most recognize office needs from his own but will tell us about his new novel code for you out. still a good the hello i'm christine will do i. it's good to have your company. the spotlight was on johannes book. i saw the africa hosted the break summit that is off the group of developing nations, brazil, russia, india, china, and saw the africa agreed to expand the group and grunted membership to 6 small countries. now the summit drew a lot of attention this year because of the geo politic co backlash over the war
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and ukraine, which countries have refused to sanction russia despite the waste quoting on them to do so. that the sales meeting had a particular focus on africa and several heads of state from the continent were in attendance. dw correspondence, diane, who has more on that the 15th brick summit, focused on how the block in beta cooperate with african states. no, to be 2 of the 6 new members off from the continent. egypt brings with it a sizable economy. it's a large population. the brits members have expressed interest in accessing the african free trade area. the area is not yet active. however, when it is, it will mean that african states will trade with one another with reduced terror. african leaders who attended the summit, say that interested in partnering with bricks, but a weary of being used by external parties. that'd be, as president told the summit that ricks could help with decreasing the cost of
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borrowing. for many african states who are paying high interest rates were on these president told the summit that the country wants help with modernizing its manufacturing sick to china is re active on the ex. we can coincidence, particularly in the area of construction. and so i've ever does pointed out that there's a need to create balance in that relationship. and african leaders say they don't only want to trade in commodities. instead, they want to equitable skills transfer in areas like the production of biofuels and the creation of solar energy plots. what is clear is that with the addition of 6 new members, the dynamics with in bricks likely to change in 2024. and to talk more about what came out of the break, some of the sale we've advised, and reza con onto the program. she's chief economist for africa and the middle east . that standard show us at the bank. welcome to the diabetes africa, rosie. as so e, c o, p,
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a and egypt has been invited to join bricks. we know that there were other african countries who have that same ambition. how did these 2 countries make the cut? thank you, christine. that is a very good question. and i think to understand this, we need to look at the context of how this grouping came about. it started out earlier on when countries like brazil, india, china, was seen amongst the false 2 growing economists globally. and the idea was to create something off and on the line to movements, perhaps a recreation of what had already been the made up of this grouping of countries. but economically we're doing back much better major re magic ball kits. now with the announcement the signals, the 1st time since 2010 that that has been any agreements and they kind of consensus on an expansion of that grouping. so the question many will have is, what does this ultimately mean for african economies?
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we know, but a lot of what is expressed by the big brakes grouping. let's look again at the global financial architecture. let's ask questions about whether this is actually working for developing countries. actually meeting the needs of developing countries. south africa has been at the forefront of suggesting that maybe that is a case very full of the global financial architecture. but when it comes to the very specific needs of african countries, it has been less adapt less gridable at delivery and russ. yep. we know that it's countries now have this ambition to, to sort of reduce this width in economic dominance that we have in the global world, or that one of the conversations is that they want to stop using the dollar for trade between bricks countries. they've been told of creating a new car and see instead of the dollar, it doesn't appear that they've had success on that front. so could you stop by
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telling us what is the advantage of not using the dollar to trade? and why is that seemingly so difficult to do? okay, so i think there are 2 very important different pups to this, and it's an important distinction, but needs to be made. first of all is just about facilitating global trade, and the great to use of local currency is in that global trade in that cross border trade. or is it actually a move against using the dollar? many of the breaks economy is, let's not forget that with this potential expansion, countries like saudi arabia and the u. e. currently with pegs too, but dollar itself are going to be joining this grouping. so the suggestion being put forward is instead of seeing trade and all of the activity, all of the potential benefits that stem from that receding, isn't there another way to organize things when more use could be made of local
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currents is so very clear distinction. this is not necessarily a move against the dollar. it's about offering the question whether there is a more efficient way to be organized, right? international trade, trade between countries. right. and so roughly i saw that because presidents that are on a pool, so say, you know, we want breaks to help us build infrastructure in africa. the a, you commission, chairperson said, bricks could make africa more food secured. there seems to be high expectations among african b, this category, deliver all of this, practically. it's not clear that any one grouping is going to be the solution for all of the regions requirements. what we do know is that that has been a lack of investment within africa for a long period of time. the perceptions that in a world of higher interest rates, especially how your interest rates in developed markets. but there are some how great to credit risks associated with investing. an african, they called him,
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is the demons by global investigators. but what we call higher risk premiums, they want to see how you richards, if they're going to be taking on the risk of putting more money into african infrastructure in a world where the cost of capital is higher, this hasn't necessarily suited the needs of african economies so i think one of the major threats sir, is just not suggest that the brakes grouping is going to be the solution on its own to all of that. but to ask, is there another way on the other ways, perhaps through the multi lateral development bank. now associated with the brakes, the new development bank, is there a way of scaling up finance to a region where the need for that financing is still very graves and just find the right the coming back to this ambition that breaks countries have to reduce global width in economic dominance, what progress have they made to that effect?
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many would argue that it's not about that's a tool, but this is just down to perception. what it really is is about seeking ways of increasing co operation, increasing the amount of traits done amongst these emerging market. some of them in the pulse had been growing very rapidly, that trend has changed over a decade of relative imaging. well could slow down. we no longer think of south africa, for example, as an economy that's been doing particularly well. president trauma pulls himself, had outlines very clearly on the eve of the summit that choosing to co operate small with brakes. other brakes the economy is, doesn't mean that south africa is retreating in any meaningful way with its co operation with the rest of the world. the shouldn't be seen as an, as he western grouping necessarily. it's just about looking to explore whether there are other ways to secure the financing that is needed to deepen trades to
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deepen co operation with other emerging markets, as well as a con. we appreciate your insights on the program. thank you very much. thank you. the these days we have more and more about this information or fake news. some may like to quoted many blame social media and point the finger at big tech platforms such as facebook or explore many known as theresa or to talk for enabling the sprint. now several applicant countries are considering banding, some of these platforms last week. for instance, somali, a band tick, tock, antenna, graham, and, and kenya, members of parliament had been discussing similar restrictions for take talk. the argument is that these social media platforms allow this information to thrive and influence social discourse, closing hom, most of the during conflicts or important events like national elections. to talk
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more about this weaving by said or done them, i don't onto the program. he is a day, so journalist and research a form is in a that's a non profit behind the firefox browser. well done that has been recognized for his work looking into how social media platforms are impacting political discourse. it's really good to have you on the program. and perhaps you want to start by you telling us a little bit about the research that you did in kenya. so to whole tape firms accountable for the influence that they have, what do you, what did you find? so i've been looking into how the artificial intelligence systems or social media companies have been feeling described of miss miss. and this information within the equal systems of african countries, and maybe so specifically focused on how these systems up at u a. d, this information and keeps speech especially during last year's can or the last is dental and the elections and kind of right. and so when we talk about this
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information here, this is of course, a universal challenge. we know that a number of countries around the world have flat concerns about this information that's floating public access, specifically around elections, etc. so this is a universal challenge, but in the african context, how much of a problem is a given that metro fault electric don't necessarily have access to these platforms as well. i would say that they did that the african continent is none, is, is not as connected as it used to be. is that may be a that perhaps needs to move on to the debate or maybe after because like i connected to the internet and i have currently in gauging within social media platforms guarantee and can itself as 11000000 users times i need cell phones who has quite tens of millions of use as in, you know, collectively we're talking about of appropriation of almost 200000000 people within the continent that are connected to the internet. and primarily,
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or that connected to the internet for inviting me to the use of social media applications. so i do believe that the influence of such kinds of and if it is activities such as the spread of me said this information after the student do have one of the have a chance to have some bbc, this imprint within the population. and secondly, it's very important to consider the fact that what happens on the line does not stay on line things that happen. elaine have an equal influence on the things that end up happening offline. and the really many cases where we have seen, you know, use information that's started circling on platforms. did you tell me, has ended up my interesting itself in the world. so one of the things that we have in cannot these, for the longest time we have had the big problem with what we call election denied using right. where the such a impact is often times refuse to accept the php my 2nd election.
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or there would be a level of and verify the information that is spreading around and doing that like sometime pertaining to, pertaining to whether someone has one or not. and in this specific case, in kenya, one of the things that we saw was that we had that queue. so based on those that can be kept in selves of women, which lead to quite a shop raising anxiety mazda, mazda electronics. you know, the visa, this is the problem, is that because we have a very long he's still the election fan or what are those pushed the election ballot. so companies in the country and most, most recently, especially within 2017 next $1007.00, that's come to mind. and that is something that we have to take him to because for example, his speech that is 15 visa, social media platforms, pauses at the end of the debt to a lot of people because it can be easily timing to offline violence as well. so
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what the dental would you say is, is, is your message and, and who is this message being directed to? are you saying that we need to regulate these platforms? are you speaking to uses directly? how are we going to safeguards with democracies in a way um, from, from this, this information that, as you say, doesn't stay on line, but really manifest itself in the real world. the one thing that they would see is that's definitely it's time to have a conversation about how to the eclipse activities of tech science platforms within the applicant, clinton. and this is not something you'd have been in one country recently . we've been seeing that this, you know, very big 10 in the present to you to talk about stuff in africa. so the question, the trip type, that's the, that's the order of
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a. it's not necessarily the answer to this question, but the questions that you're asking. what do we need to do is have a conversation about what content is allowed to manifest in these back forms and what content is not. and the systems that and, and the system that has been designed to be space. and what exactly does it allow to describe within it? what kind of values does it's does it foster? and we as a continental, what, what are we looking to get out of this? because your logic, this conversation has been led to by the platforms and on the side of the bathtub, citizens themselves. because remember, social media companies and social media platforms. i hit the side of us products, right? we will end up in that case. well, by, as we have seen, with many of the corporation, global corporations, that's the best of the best quality of the social media platform is making the going to be subject to what's majority, you know, majority weston countries. and debating west of the platform is probably going to
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be delivered to the global sales countries. these companies that that would make perfect. um, and we need to understand the problem that best buy from that perspective. all right, that's or done of a deal. i'm talking to us one that early we appreciate your insights. thank you. it's now it's an online gig that's been putting food on the table for some canyons for years now. ghost writing is often referred to as online academic writing. that sounds quite respectable, but the work has a shadow. we side to is basically it's smart people doing assignments. we university students for a fee, but that artificial intelligence is disrupting this kind of work as field exploring the reports. and i wrote the tony's office easy for me to use a professional contract site for students that do that for anybody to use. the industry has been creating lots of it was also security as it has widely been
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stigmatized as cheating. 20 says he has read 10 more than 700 assignments in the last 2 years. but the police and the abilities of a i to produce machines and the data texas affected him drippy with everything wind tally. i'm so even when you'd say next week or next month, i wouldn't do this long before and, and get this amount of money. when to be to can it's kind of reversed the supplies, so you went back to 0 because tasks going to donate know mostly check, zippy to meant the bottom fell out of that market for a text crafted by human brains. many of his colleagues in the field went out of business. the people who bucked off since, since since i can, because for them they, for that for the 3 months they could not see an income. so they decided to throw in the towel and they went away and so is disrupting content creation across the board
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. not just in pretty federal industries like tony's, but some tech expect see that's rather than reading it as a threat to pursue the knowledge, the navy temple of change and embrace it as an opportunity. i think if you take it, i mean you have to accept it about the impacts will be on jobs. but you still look at it from a fuck that's people going to lose jobs. what are you standing us? it's telling us like, what do we need to do? that's machines got to do. because i'm saying if just like you mentioned, what our capabilities but as well, what do you see that the machine is going to do? that is where we need to tap to tap into tony sees that's a, has been a lightbulb moment for him and should be for many people. you know, i dream of industries and i also work up a quote that today a could be enjoying your you're what you're doing to under living, but you don't on both the number. so you have to me sylvester talent, so informed says that you understand, uh,
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this is what it's kind of do. and besides its limits, and as i, you know, i can go beyond disagreements for tony and humphrey is clearly thoughts on the future. but the question remains on the grid disrupt to avoid the use of watching. you can also be a great creator of new jobs. the annual african book festival has kicked off here in berlin, the 3 day event as a celebration of african literature and culture. it's the 5th time it's taking place in the german capital. the festival off is a journey into the diverse literary landscape of the continent. from paneled discussions to readings, the festival creates a platform for both established and imagined african office to share their stories and ideas. and their names to bring the essence of the continents narratives to life, get in your us and i'm joined in see do by one of the office through the process of
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pace that in the africa book festival hearing berlin nicholas ogle is an award winning all of that in fact, the new york times called him one of the most high spirited new voices of the africa's post, a positive literary scene made has published 10 novels since his 1st one in 2004. it's really good to have you back and dw and use african they did you stop by telling us about your novels? what inspires the stories that you right. thank you for inviting me show. um festal, font novice actually helped me to, to cut that. you know, it's like, for instance, your us, the, you know, you have the condition, maybe a sick and then you went to good to a doctor. so writing and all of you become here. and that's why i loved i to such a full affair peacefully, said steph, and tell me a little bit about the stories. what, what do you writes about? so and especially if the dog a dog in my fest, although douglas published in 2000 in 2004 is set at the university environment.
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it's about my experiences and the experiences of the black writes us a sort of like, uh, limos elder students who find themselves stuck in the what used to be white only institution does cause how shock you know. so i went to events in the visit to 1994 and the vincent visited before then used to have caught or attended by black people. you know, so you wouldn't attend this policy. it's something that about this about free. got so going the now you, for the 1st time you start do with people that, that not from your culture group, you know, the whites, for instance, because i don't think it was, is it was quite segregated that looks like around that time. so it's about the light of the young black. it may or not only made but the young black or south africans and, and i know that in your, in your all right. and you also explore to the theme of xenophobia. tell us
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a little bit more about that. yes i am. i grew up in joint inspection, the best quotes the, the, you know, is show in. so it's all right. so what happens is that every now and then, you know, this, the, this, the end of that is got lots of challenges. economy challenges, source to bounce. yes, the township, so everyone is 5 to over a little come, you know, to feed their families and stuff. so you'll find people starting to blame one another. so i find that sometimes, you know, this sparks the full bill, for instance, thing most cases. and which uh, as to do some unfortunate incidence that happened in philadelphia got the oval forwarded. and you were nice and simple, you told us about your 1st is called for you out. still a good. what's it about it so, so for us been a good is a collection of short stories, 10 short stories. and one is that, yeah, in the, in building is code for you as did a good. so is that, that on the call,
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the time the by that started when it was trying to arrive, you know, was trying to blend the african spirituality and the, and the, with the a german culture. you know, because these are the, is the story is about a, it's the german lady in the, you know, in the south african guy. so it's state that i'm about, but that a 9 more stories that that's, that didn't set the free go and explore themes of 6 while orientation themes about identity, unemployment homelessness, eh, a approved ment whereby people have been moved out from 1956 for instance. so 5 ton area in to what we call today. so for it, so it's so, so it's set that on that time. so it sounds like a very interesting read and i'm really hoping that we can bring you back on to the program some time to explore more about the website is less for now. thanks very much, nick,
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single books. and that's it for the program. be sure to check out our other stories on d. w dot com, forward slash africa. we're also on facebook and on twitter today will leave you with images from kenya. with this week, hundreds of young men and women from the different class of the messiah community, converge on the town of metal to celebrate their culture. it's 5 for now, or as the messiah would say. when they said the,
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