straight area and they are taking concrete actions to back up their rates rates. do you not worry that by seeking washington's help, your not caught up in the rock bottom relationship between the us and china and the badging may be about to right. change out pressure on you some k to send a signal to washington. i guess the question is on to endanger, becoming a pawn to be played by both sides. that is also a question. ask frequently in taiwan. in fact, some people here in taiwan argue that the work comfortably is between the united states and china, and therefore taiwan should thoughts the bullets from these 2 giants. and we use stay neutral. but i think the real situation doesn't happen that way. the real situation is that high, one has being threatened by china and the united states is trying to provide support to tie one. so these are the 2 constants and we are leaving under these 2 constants in their port. a very important thing is what i want to continue to

consolidate its relations with the united states on the one hand and trying to prevent war from happening. on the other hand, and in our relations with china, i can assure you that the current government has been recognized internationally for being responsible player. we want to maintain the peace disability in this area by maintaining the state is cool. it is all believe that the state is cost of the best interest of all parties concerned. and i think this is also. ready the position held by the united states, canada, u. k, and major european countries. and we will continued all of these path to prevent china from thinking that they can take, tie one over quickly and tie one will not serve as a provider. but at the same time, we will not budge to the chinese pressure. you talked about asking europe for support, and you said in prob last week in order for taiwan to state stone and resilience,

and have the courage to continue the policy of maintaining the stage as quote, we do need support from european friends that coverage that you spoke about as a waiting list of what i think the people here in tie was. feel that the support coming from you are coming from multimedia regard, coming from japan and australia and that kind of support make tie one people feel that we, i'm not alone in facing the military course. and for all the chinese site you told me exactly his moral support is that you are talking about moral support, more support. i think the more support is very strong. and if you look at the language is coupled with some of the concrete actions that i mentioned before, i think the people feel very confident that the international support is going to come to tie one. and in fact, it's coming to the high. one is sufficiently, with the big room that have all the companionship, the saving through what content of ships is saving through taiwan,

strait and 90 percent of the most of bins. sidney comes out the trips of producing tie one, i'm sure the international community will come to the realization that they will be impacted if the war is not stopped in other than that, we are also seeing many other countries taking more actions. do you think the west has been tough enough on china or you have in the past appeared to blame europe in the us for not resisting home combs, new security law and the trashing of human rights and civil liberties. but that came with that. what put the west of done about hong kong and what happened, what the chinese introduced. the whole goal is a true tragedy. it happened right before our eyes, that the national security law was imposed. this place of where people used to enjoy freedom and openness in all of us stopping all those freedom as being taken

away by the chinese government. and we did not see this as an isolated case. we as also that even 2014 over at crime. yeah. and the west and reaction to russia in 2014 was not strong enough. and i believe that it has a direct or indirect implication for the war to take place in ukraine and in use a shot. if we are not able to take up country actions against the chinese way of doing things over hong kong, i'm sure the chinese will be encouraged to do more in the other parts of the world in this is especially in this region. if you look at the chinese actions in the east china, i see that has already gotten in japan during those. and if you look at the south, china sea is more of a west point than the power street. and therefore, i think the international community needs to look at the chinese expansionism, or is imposition of both storage here in the some of these part of the world in a more serious way. and we need to take concrete actions intending china that no,

they cannot expand their impulses in this part of the world at the cost of democracy's usa event to prevail in this crisis. with china, unity is all only pop forward. but in a speech in march, your own president acknowledge serious political divisions among your people. she told the hudson institute the taiwan was split and hadn't so far decided whether it went through the relationship with china or prefer to be on its own. there isn't much time for me to, i want to make up his mind on that issue. is that why if you look at the public opinion surveys here, try one. actually we see a consensus. the consensus here in taiwan is that we don't want to be ruled by china. the consensus here in taiwan is that we don't want to accept the one country to system model and putting, tie one as a part of china or taiwan to stick and hong kong. the consensus here in taiwan is that we want to maintain the status. quote,

the status for the pie one is that one people is running, tie one itself. the tie one is the freedom is a free and democratic country. so maintaining the state as cool. it's already a consensus here in taiwan. so if you are passing the consensus, the way you say, why is your partner you had mentioned hemorrhaging support in the way it is? you did very badly and last year's local elections. you 195 out of 21 seats. and according to polling, by the time when he's public opinion foundation, more than half a voters would not support either your party or the other major parties requirement time in the presidential elections early next year. people are clearly disillusioned with you and your major opposition. that's down to find your leadership, isn't that to? uh, no, i disagree. uh when we do the public opinion surveys. uh, we try to find out what the people here think uh for your information. there's

a public opinion survey conducted by similar organizations here in taiwan, asking people what they feel the most successful area of public policy. important relations happened to be the most successful and indeed was a foreign countries are trying to included. i think we have adopted it right policy to maintain the state of school on the one hand and to try and maintain peace and stability in this area and to reach out to more countries. so that's how one has more backing from the international community. i think this is the right approach and this is their approach supported by the public. and of course, taiwan is that the mock was the people afraid to think that the one political party is better than another. and we need to allow the people to come cedar, who is the best or which political parties the best for the countries future. in right now, even though this, that the bait, there's different kinds of supporting. but it's the natural way of expressing here

in taiwan. and if you look at the polls, it's a high consistency in some of the candidate seem to be in the forefront against others. and the kind of a tendency seem to be very consistent. very briefly, mr. why not try a little harder to talk to china? you'll presidents have said she's open to dialogue with badging without pre conditions. but even people in your own party, the democratic progressive pos you don't think you've tried hard enough. a founding member hong t chang said recently, we have such a solid taiwan identity now we should be confident enough to engage in some exchanges. so why don't you engage like the appointment timeframes to we hips, right. but the situation is that china has been imposing conditions on ty, one the conditions, the conditions of being revealed by a she didn't being on january 2nd, 2019 and with that kind of conditions,

i don't think any sensible leader in ty one would or should accept those pre conditions, those preconditions we crude, the pay once you accept the self as part of the p r c. i want you to accept one country to us as a model. i want you to accept nothing but unification with china. and these is something that the people here in tie one, not one to accept and therefore even wait, that came t is back into power. i just don't think that they can or they should accept those preconditions. once we accept those preconditions, i want becomes another home called. and by that time it will be too late for us to limit if china imposes another initial security law. i'll tie one. so if one does come with you hand on hot, be able to say that you did everything possible to prevent it as we are trying,

tries very hard. on the one hand, our approach is to maintain the status call and trying to keep the peace disability over the taiwan strait and have an open institute to invite the chinese for negotiations. and on the other hand, we also strengthening our defense capabilities to prevent china from thinking that they can take, tie one over it easily. and at the same time, we are engaging with the international community so that they can support, tie one more and they can help strengthen. i was defense capability, say with the oldest we are trying to deter war from happening and it's not just high one. we have like body pop in this, they understand the cost for the world if the war is to break out and we all wind what we can to prevent war from happening. what is the woo joseph was. thank you very much for being on conflict on. thank you. well, thank you very much mr. sebastian. the

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