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its ends live rounds to break up. the india has launched its 1st admission to study the sun and the 2 weeks after it's a start noon landing and exploration. it's successful via t t l. one mission will make a reservations to help scientists better understand how the somewhere and with that you're up to date of next, the film presents a look at nato strengthening its presence in the baltic sea since rushes full scale invasion, said he, for an inspection, for that the flying river is formed by a most of full b, perspiring trees or sea stars fires. no good deal and the, the invisible with such flows through the sky start september 20th on the w.
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hello. the baltic sea needle controlled waters since the full scale russian invasion of ukraine. a new iron curtain divides. east and west. the threat of further escalation now looms large. on february 24th 2022, the day of russia's invasion, the german navy mobilized its forces. the sort of this point, it was a very spontaneous and very intense response of the rushes invasion of you crime, which was a violation of international law. so we send everything that could fund into the voltage see inside the house, should need to respond to russia's aggression. it's a question that's now being asked across the region. the baltic states, which were once part of the soviet union, have called for
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a united front against we contacted these to plan to uh, you know, uh, defend the country alone and then be liberated afterwards. saint petersburg is one of russia's few access points to the baltic sea. from here, russia's leadership is determined to stake its claim as an imperial power on the seems fishy with this. it was more than this during the months go forth. once our navy is capable of responding with lightnings, leading to anyone who wants to encroach on our sovereignty and freedom, suspicion, choose you execute strategic task successfully in honor of somebody in the room or are you in the middle of the russia is also threatening to use nuclear weapons that could easily reach every city in europe, the,
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i am afraid of nuclear weapons. yes, i'm afraid also because i live in bro linda the to day, almost the entire baltic sea, surrounded by nito member states and nato allies, sweden, russia has only 2 access points for leading broad and st. petersburg 6 palaces and also need so has direct access to strategic positions and the bold succeeds because, for example, the islands of government, but also fields infinity and among other places destitute in the russian naval access to the baltic. sea could be blokes in the event of we'll have, you know, 6 for just a few of them. it was a very different picture before the fall of the soviet union. during the cold war, the baltic sea was almost entirely surrounded by warsaw pact countries. the soviet
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union and its satellite states, and by the neutral states of finland and sweden. it was a position of power which protein appears to want back but today, the de facto balance of power on the world's oceans is undeniable. nieto has 16 aircraft carriers. russia has one, nato has 13 helicopter carriers. russia has none. nieto has 135 frigates. russia has 11 needle has over 2000 military ships under its compact. russia has just under 600, but russia's underwater capabilities are formidable. the country has more than 40 nuclear powered submarines around 10 on with nuclear weapons drive some leadership savings of russia as of a superpower. and the only reason why can be conceded to the super
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powers, the flags at its nuclear also now is biggest of all except for the united states. they do play these cards all the time and that's why as a week they are in terms of conventional weapons, the strong guys, they attempt station to use for, for 3 of them. uh, using uh nuclear weapons. but the relationship between russia and the west on the baltic sea was not always as fractured as it is . today. a former german chancellor. i'm going to america and the president vladimir pushing sunk regular contract, apparently hoping to maintain good economic relations, get measured. part of the order is that good stuff even though just eat so just let you know that i will do. what do you see with your question, which was the same things change get the most of the
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will be near the premium. i'd say the final break came in september 2012, the district enough to work with them. and i celebrated the bodysuit and had decided to remain in power forever. that there would be no more transition of power . so, you know, just to thoughtfully cut the button by being in their own, i don't know, i'm just going, you shouldn't go to just to sal. and for that he needed an external enemy, a super human animate devotion. you moved it, there's no harm over and you can't find a better enemy. the nato eat lots of sham, not the garden you presume. with the soviet union had collapsed but need to remain and even gain new members for approaching the nato expansion is fundamental to his narrative, guns, clod, ition. yeah, rushes, these ne, so as it may not just theory, the one that poses the greatest stretch. so sure. at least from the russian perspective, i'm not just in military time hired the most co relates fee of that nature was
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planning a kind of to, to talk to the post the government needs to give them up to. that's raw stock is the strategically important of naval base and home to the german naval command. vice admiral frump lensky is one of the country's highest ranking officers. but his task is not purely a military one. e o. c is i need to know soon as the ball succeeds, an international body of water making, normally speaking, it's extremely important to maintain open shipping words. that's also true for russia. by the way, at least one side of it simple. it's an ex pulse pass through some paints, his book will so. so russia also has a great deal of interest in keeping the baltic see result is the dealing in is a german mind hunting vessel. it patrols the baltic sea along with many other nato vessels. for a long time, the underwater threat here was largely fear radical as
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i'm willing to do a snack. so he says, i think that's good on the, i'm the, this is a military vessel. i used to detect the presence or absence of mine, michigan's ins, all like we have to send just to detect them and on. so i'm the equipment to destroy the of the alpha done, finished. and so can, in addition to that. so i'm going to think we can also line minds also leaving the mission has become broader and more dangerous. since the start of the invasion of ukraine, new threats have emerged, such as underwater attacks on pipelines and threats to internet and power cables. yes, and that's outside the device doesn't always covered up to that. we now have a new responsibility conducting on the monitoring. we have set up any changes on the scene that often the monitors at frequent intervals, leasing, often in the port knocked off of the assignment was the whole, the investigation of the attacks. i know that stream pipeline to i'm speak of the not seeing pipeline,
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lieutenant fritz can provide any details. the mission is classified. who exactly carried out the attack is still a matter of speculation. all of the, the crew i've been doing and conduct frequent drills to prepare for emergencies like defending the ship from a direct assault for the oscars. oh, very by the sizing, but yeah, just yeah. so it's a, it's about what they do. yeah. one scenario is an attack by terrorists on a speed boat. yeah, yeah. right,
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so the russian warships are still deployed on the baltic. the beginning, what was interesting give said, are you all counselors with russian ships? do you happen to hear the bone succeeds on sunday. i don't want to fall through most on the so we do have encounters like god, but they all take place under the principles of good semen shipped. and to me, it's like a gentleman's agreement because i think of which you don't hang during on the vessels progress a lot, of course, because we keep a close eye on what they're doing. good. and if there's anything unusual, it's reported to me and gets evaluated. i take that out, that those reports are also strictly classified, getting it all ready to go in and do that both the way through a 2nd later to to also yeah,
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like was on small noise. yep. nito, finland and sweden have also conducted drawing naval exercises. even before fin lynch joined tomato is because, well that's what it says. i got a corporation is very, very close it on for several years now. we've seen frequency invitations to take part some international move this under. it's not unusual for the finish. and swedish navy is to join us on exercise by owns mit it, sweden and finland, particularly feel the threat from russia. sweden has applied for nito membership been joined in 2023. it's boarded with russia is more than 1300 kilometers long. in land is jasmine and had always been neutral. it made a deliberate decision to remain outside of nato for a very long time. it's based it security strategy on remaining neutral and
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maintaining. i would say that and so even good relations with russia as much as possible, even during the cold war. and i think it was at the same time finland to maintain the strong military, especially along its russian border. it strategy, the best possible relations with russia and the best possible defense against this cost benefit calculation hasn't fundamentally changed since the war against ukraine bowl. this historical speaking, germany's defense minister in january 2023. it's not about the tone, but i want to emphasize again that germany is by a clear margin, the highest contributor to ukraine in the european union stars. we are proud to provide the support because we believe it is important and necessary. and after the usa, we are on par with great britain. every military conflict, everywhere of aggression against us up in states always carries the risk of escalation is collect sealants. the gen sturgeon versus
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the norwegians secretary general of nato, has been a key advocate of nato enlargement. in europe, from the start, your so said attack on ukraine is more than the tackle. new crane is that is a devastating horrendous attack on innocent or people in ukraine. but there's also an attack on the holes the to the pin security order. and that's the reason why we take it so experiences. stoughton bread also regularly travels to stock home to meet with the swedish defense minister, pull the on so on and offer his support for the countries efforts to join me to some a aerial to open book. that's been on the can you get the through the insurance, the outbreak of war on february 24th. it's been clear that russia is prepared to
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take major military and political risk and we have to be prepared for that. next of that, one thing we've learned from this war is that if you want to have access to article 5 to nato's defense guarantees and noodles defense planning, you have to be a full member of nato just because on the i think the most moment for inviting me nieto headquarters in brussels. although russia wanted to weaken the alliance. the attack on ukraine has had the opposite effect. in may 2022, finland, and sweden submitted their official letter of application to join nato as they moved by the lender. then one of the 2 countries submitted their applications. i realized we were witnessing history in the making. after all, those countries when neutral for a long time, sweden for more than 200 years. and the fitness became neutral toward the alliance in the 1950s sizeable, not entirely voluntarily. we've been working closely with both countries,
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so it was an exciting, big moment. my phone, i'm cause only the swedish defense university, and stockholm is an elite school for future military leaders. yackel best bag and internationally recognized expert in war studies. teachers here. the halls are steeped in history. a concave thought job that guns come snowed their foot off the live ship. that's friday. okay, and that's good news is you're on to much to sweden and finland would apply for night time membership. mr. gomez, the russian government basically said to, that's no surprise to us. you've been part of the western world for a long time. glad to hide your into. so still, if we not, and you know to, we got the had, i was a week response is full. so people, because it was a major strategic the fee for russia. and i didn't want to admit that it's the old stuff to you. i just need to know it's a military parade in moscow. on may, 9th,
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2023, march the 78th anniversary of the soviet victory over nazi germany. the, the criminal itself has broad nato, even closer to russia's borders with this war against ukraine, the. and yet people in russia don't see this as a defeat. as russian foreign ministers sergey lab. ralph made clear of the united nations on april 25th 2023. they just said to him so that i see a but that was but of the thirty's, little shooting. you're not that little you unable score to the claim is that rush to try to prevent nato expansion. well, no, that's how they see it. from there, i re tower we to have our ivory towers. and the conclusions of unbiased observers and political analysts in russia and abroad features that nato want it to break up the russian federation and ended up uniting it was a village. and i see is good figured it's
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a good thing. you'll know. you'll split to nikolai petroff is a russian security expert who lives in exile in germany. it's easy to present whatever is going as a victorious moves for rush and even defeats in these war wage could be seen as humans eating the seats. i can see that to be not that much defense because there are, should oppose this not to claim its oppose as the whole west. it oppose us made to which was much stronger, but nevertheless russia is doing pretty well in view of criminal propagandists and general ed population. oh, google minova is a well known journalist and human rights activist and russia. she also lives in exile in germany. what's in which it was near it's white boot and can't afford to lose this for any of the keys. acting according to the churchill
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doctrine, directly soul chief chief, but that should be in the blue. and this, the churchill said, if napoleon had had the prompt a newspaper, no one would ever have known that he lost the battle of waterloo and we'll put you on, was a pretty good and can afford to lose the ukraine war. we're still just convinced the russian people, but they're actually winning the war and we go in stock on the united states, make clear. it also stands behind sweden speed to join nato, a semester. thanks for hosting me today and, and thanks for the warm welcome. and the special thanks for those great, one of the 1st you have made the bow and historic decision to apply for nato membership. and you have the full and firm support of the united states. but what will nato gain from the membership of these 2 countries? which may be geographically large, but have
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a relatively small population. only 16000000 people in all sunday on steam in his house and should be looking at the middle, the trees of sweden and finland. it's evident that they both have well equipped and powerful armed forces. all they'll contribute to data is defensive capabilities for taking well. adding little to nature's cost and dental. i just didn't get those costs. these vis be class court bank warships belonging to the swedish, maybe our state of the art meeting and spike money in from olga. we have a strong naval force cause we build and design submarines and operate them in the baltic sea. and we have a skilled fleet with modern corvettes and the ability to operate in coastal areas and move down the idea that you chose. now you also have a strong defense industry in sweden, city out of bosses, right. and there's no other country in the world with 10000000 inhabitants that can
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build and design both submarines and combat aircraft for federal space clicked on. another important factor is good land, a swedish island in the baltic sea. busy chocolate coming to them the opportunity for later on so sale and to talk to him. he's one of 3 strategic the important times and the politics, the region of treat for and homes. another item, it's a danish territory. so, you know, to not fall from russia's colleen graphic. i'm just tossed the into way to the politics. a con. spot on the golf outlet is not the only significant on adults central alarm, but it's like a non single across kerio instantly a place or a military forces can be stationed notice board for, for, to go through and i'll say at pretty good the baltic. she was also on the front lines during the cold war when germany was still
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divided and the countries of nato and the warsaw pact were enemies. the balance of power in the region at that time is difficult to assess. military strength is not just about the number of ships and soldiers. it's also a question of the quality of the ship's weapons and training for the crews. overall, the warsaw pact forces probably had an edge the . this is a rocket corvette, a worship from the former east, german folks, some of the know the people's navy. in the 1980 this whole goodnight or captain to ship, much like this one. in the feeling came on board in the front or 6,
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let me know we had 4 missiles on board with the range of 80 kilometers and an altitude of 25 to 50 meters. so our mission was to destroy the enemy surface forces, mainly and then a rocket launcher since the enemy mine layers and the enemies offensive forces owens east coast, a piece of photos from the 1980s document every day life on board. in retrospect, it seems like the calm before the store, the last item does have interest in for the most of the large vessels and the soviet lead would have been moved to the atlantic to fight enemy forces. there is our aim was to take control of the straits from our side, the dana streams and then extend our control and only one also can ingo feiffer also served as captain in the east german navy on the baltic sea during the cold war. these normally calm waters became very dangerous
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to us to my hands, eager to beat me to stock some console. thoughts on the baltic sea, the marine region, with the highest concentration of naval force as an air force as a field, according to more of a search for about $1350.00 naval vessels was stationed here in the baltic sea area . that includes a night to naval forces on the wall, so attacked or part i'm sending and then sweden as neutral status, but it's on the list of a wholesale about $600.00 had a called isn't that planes going this marine region? so we have the largest concentration of ministry forces in the world. best bet. nieto and the warsaw pact states were constantly preparing for war. the 2 sides were engaged in an honest race, including in the baltic sea. a major confrontation appeared imminent and both sides feared that the other mike resorts in nuclear weapons and yet it did not come to a war. so how follow tile was the
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situation really? does your spiritual hobbies need to come in and it is much like the roman mars search, right documents specific. also talk to ministry leadership. in other words, associates home for face august boot had good reason to believe that nights i was not planning to start to long see, but that's not what we believed in former east germany. we were always supposed to be ready for the audio even on the weekends for so the ships were required to be at 80 percent capacity off just because even when the west gym and navy was off walk around, might be launched on the weekend. we just bought rubbish gold. i'll go into the next week or so just to be on the credit and collection today. many believe the baltic states are my chicken lily vulnerable. they were once a part of the soviet union, and russia appears to europe for the days of soviet greatness. the in march
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2022. the stoney and prime minister kaya call us paid a visit to nieto headquarters in brussels, the church, the allies to help protect us donia lock. the end of this, we need to deter moscow. i think we have to double our efforts. booting cannot win this war. this is very important to all of us to, to the security of nature as well. and the 2nd thing we need to discuss is how to increase our defense spending and how to do it to a very wise me as so that. so we strengthen the eastern flank, especially the both the countries because we can't have these plans to uh, you know, defend the country alone and then be liberated afterwards. so. so that's why we
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need to have to come from the to terrance a poster to defense plans and, and to very specific things to strengthen our parts of the alliance. oh, but somebody should though it's probably about to it seems to chipped the city with them. the spirit of the sea food and believes that any of his tank divisions could invade estonia for lithuania or latvia, and no one would resist him when you to him. it doesn't matter one bit that these countries joined tomato in 2004 with those of us probably a couple of to be new for not the for the dish to some go to the now to is, will send you building on the nato is military superior to russia, and russian needs to understand that so that they don't even consider after are talking ukraine, also attacking and nothing neighbor or the baltic states. both take partners kept telling us this was a real threat to be though we know di heads. but for us,
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the idea that these kind of imperialistic delusions still existed and seemed crazy until at least just one moment that of the law, the air base is not far from real stopped. you're the baltic sea to launch a euro fighter squadrons are stationed here, with more than 70 aircraft in total. from here, they also protect the baltic states several times today, euro fighters take off from logic to secure the air space. the euro fighter type food is a well equipped aircraft for combat situations. the finder jed features up to 3 external fuel tanks as well as g p. s, and police are guided missiles for aerial and air to ground combat. the nito is stepped up its military exercises to test its combat readiness. a ryan
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$23.00, a multi face exercise included one of the largest tactical lending exercises in decades. it stimulated the invasion of a smaller country by its larger neighbour training. how to defend against the invader? ripple and troops and i've left to strike false pot and strong each. it's a unique combat situation for the french army because it allows us to cross the front lines. it can strike attending the field. the voltage 23, was a large scale naval exercise in the baltic sea as a show of force, the most advanced american aircraft carrier, the us, as gerald, our ford arrived in european waters at the same time, the
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nato and allied forces are constantly training to defend against and attacked the defender 23 was the largest deployment exercise of air forces in need us history to all of these military exercises, risk provoking restaurant. what else we've been conducting both tops for decades or let me see. this is one of several regular exercises we carry out to the
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bone, succeeds on coal, is just like the northern coast exercise prussia carries out similar exercises. at the end of the day, these exercises and maneuvers are an essential part of maintaining your armed forces. that's why it's not unusual for armed forces, who are deployed as a deterrent to carry out exercises, which also sends the signal that we are in a position to take successful action of if need be able in a home. so that is what is that enough to know how little something that's over the last 10 to 15 years. a specific logic tend to, to shape a policy towards russia. young. the mantra was, don't provoke russia in order to avoid war. but with russia's full scale attack on ukraine, many people, including political decision makers, have finally understood that the central issue is not one of the western provocation funded most goes own. well, gee, that which is largely impervious to outside influence a 3rd on the stablish mysteries and deposits in
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1985, a large scale, botox or baltic operation was carried out back then. it was certainly a provocation. the maneuver in the vault, it was in the soviet union's backyard. the struck me while i go scoff, associates happening gosh golf late to mentioned in the speech to members of the u . s. navy, i see is that they were very surprised and impressed by us naval technology. i think the u. s. navy will find the one on the as the price, the u. s. navy has to do is i'm the combat power of the ship concert and admitted that we couldn't stand up to the comfort cost is actually initiates on the glass itself, all the that's money in the game. but at the at the same time in 1985
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secret plans were unfolding at keep our kona on the east german island route. and here lies a relic of the past of former east german bunker on the far chip of the island. the night of the former corvette captain in the east german navy knows what it was used for on fitting clinks for the outside. in the event of war, the bunker was intended to ensure that the high command remained operation awful as it was originally planned to how 70 men. the bunker covers 2000 square meters and was built by soldiers from the assessments, naval and construction battalion. all of the other ones, all assessments, and other things, thomas van de bowed site, while it was still under construction in 1985 on a photo of the open excavation pit was published in the book about the eastern
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german military. and then the bunch of other times someone realized what had happened, it was too late to some of the books had already been sold for the cost. the remaining copies were destroyed, but the location had been revealed that it was now public knowledge and public. and to definitely set us all the content. in the event of war, the bunker would be an obvious target. it was a mistake that in some ways is symbolic of the decline of the east, german military and of the soviet union as the leading power of the warsaw pact. 6 years later, soviet occupation forces began their withdrawal from germany. a defeat that main likes item. you're approaching never came to terms with even 30 years later, it is an experience. he seems not to have forgotten i think they had the vision of how the cold war ended is very
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different in the russian to the west. and the idea of the soviet union was defeated and failed, which is so widespread as the west is not a shred by majority of russians in the view. it was them who did stop the cold water and they felt humiliation. it was the case. it was a fact that boom came and promised to restore these rushes gloria as role was very positively taken by russians. but he did, you know that i see like e mail st. petersburg july 31st 202214 signs a new naval doctor and the pomp and ceremony were suggestive of a former world power with new global ambitions,
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city. amelia, of what you're saying. the formulas of the on the same day of large naval parade took place in saint petersburg in his speech, putting outlined russia's new naval doctor the issue at the measure of interest. yet what are areas of national interest are? first and foremost, are waters of the article. with the blacks, the misty of all cuts, the bearings see in the baltic, and coral straight to the order. we will protect them firmly and by any means necessary. the key here is the capabilities of our navy. more than this device,
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it is capable of responding with lightning speed to anyone who wants to encroach on our sovereignty and freedom's level. the. but what does the new naval doctrine mean for nato? the yeah, but listen, is this and with the rush or it doesn't really matter whether there was a new don't train or an old one because rush and makes up the same rules as it goes along the teeth. there's no consistency is the only constant is that they are again, 9 western values via freedom wouldn't be safe, tried everything in the power to one to mine corporation, with a nato and within the european union. but with the majority innovation, it's gonna take now to change the exact opposite. i don't, i would guess, but some people in putins in the circle are rubbing that always in disbelief. and when i didn't think they expected, this has happened to me because i spent but russia has another key bargaining chip
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. colleen in rod, according to russian threats, nuclear weapons, will be waiting here for the west end tomato. colleen and crowd was once part of the former province of each prussia. then it was called clinics back and was occupied in 1945 by the soviet union. as the crow flies, it's just 500 kilometers from berlin. cleaning up some, i know the dodging. fluid deal so small, you know, i've often loved to leningrad is important to the russian navy in the ground forces housing down the domestic force of the baltic fleet house, the house of russia's maritime military strategy in the baltic sea regional. but it's also important for most goes ground forces, because it serves as a russian outpost in the middle of nato and e u territory on stationing besides, the for example, is to come. the messiahs provides russia with much milestone access to europe and serves as
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a deterrent during piece of time size and the abstract and difficult in 5. and tom, russia has breton just ation nuclear weapons and because they named rod, but in reality, they've probably been there for years already. awesome. all good. there can close up to add up. they'll take it up. but it's not my get. i would say russia is being very reckless and it's rhetoric when it threatens nuclear weapons smoke, when it carries out exercises with nuclear weapons, and often the, or the, it's irresponsible into stabilizing this w. c. i absolutely reject russia's behavior from this guy. get either way, the real question is would pushing resort to the use of nuclear weapons, the t is aging. and so she did express these couple of times that in case of nuclear kept us threw off,
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we'll go to paradise and our animals will go to hill. uh which a is not a real threat. but which means that he can seem confused direction, at least just of water. yeah. so, so you have to beautiful discussion why she's through the label, she inversion. uh frankly, i believe in coupons madness. he's a studio beach. it is really important for him to remain in the history books as the great one, the, the great collector of russian land, the great victor of nato, russia. without that, which looked at the visits back to the beginning of the current conflict and ukraine. a war not launched by nato, the. what's the effect on the tons of this mission? if russia succeeds in ukraine, this will not be the final attack. because we have to make this plan to rush you guys to vladimir putin squished you off with the jump to speaks with him from time
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to time. but i don't think it's possible to reach him. at least he's behaving like a madman in bonds. and yet, he's also responsible for the death of many thousands of russian soldiers, so that i'm sleeping homeless. the 12, as it kind of puts this thing is and i don't think the world will end in the near future to form. and i don't see a winner emerging in the near future either. that's why it's so important that we do not stop setting an example in our support for ukrainians to to didn't quite unit to that's the is now with us has reached us. you'll just you lose your last name, but it's important that we don't delude ourselves, that that will be an easy way out to somebody else in the short term. and possibly not even in the museum time is the underlying question is, is there
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a viable way out of this country to considering the current political system in russia and the possible given the current rule of the current regime? now i don't think there is because this imperialist weld viewing this belief that russia is under threats. a very deeply ingrained staff function is the nato secretary general against oldenburg, went to keep in early 2023, and paid a visit to the wall of remembrance honoring fallen ukrainian soldiers leaving the world where we have actually held for going on in your uh, with the large scale military operations we haven't seen in europe since the 2nd world war, the, the honest race on the baltic sea is far from over. a new cold war is raging on european waters. a conflict that is causing terrible suffering. and one which bears
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