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hello, the baltic sea nieto controlled waters since the full scale russian invasion of ukraine. a new iron curtain divides, east and west. the threat of further escalation now looms large. on february 24th 2022, the day of russia's invasion, the german navy mobilized its forces, the sort of this one. it was a very spontaneous and very intense response of the rushes invasion of you crime, which was a violation of international law. so we send everything the consultants into the voltage see inside the house shouldn't need to respond to russia's aggression. it's a question that's now being asked across the region. the baltic states, which were once part of the soviet union, have called for
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a united front against we can't have these to plan to uh, you know, a defense, the country alone. and then the neighbor rated afterwards. st. petersburg is one of russia's view access points to the baltic sea. from here, russia's leadership is determined to stake. it's claim as an imperial power on the seas push away. this was more than this during the months go afloat. once our navy is capable of responding with lightnings, leading to anyone who wants to encroach on our sovereignty and freedom persecutions, choose you execute strategic task successfully in honor of somebody in the room or are you in the middle of working on the russia is also threatening to use nuclear weapons that could easily reach every city in europe, the,
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i am afraid of nuclear weapons. yes, i'm afraid also because i live in bro linda the today almost the entire baltic sea, surrounded by needle member states and nato allies, sweden, russia has only 2 access points for leading broad and st. petersburg. 6 fall is this and also need so has direct access to strategic positions in the baltic sea because for example, the islands of government but also fields infinity and among other places destitute . and so russian naval access to the baltic sea could be blokes in the event of little while, you know, and 6 for the shelf book. you have this. it was a very different picture before the fall of the soviet union. during the cold war, the baltic sea was almost entirely surrounded by warsaw pact,
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countries and the soviet union and its satellite states. and by the neutral states of finland and sweden. it was a position of power which protein appears to want back but today, the de facto balance of power on the world's oceans is undeniable. nieto has 16 aircraft carriers. russia has one. nato, has 13 helicopter carriers. russia has none. nieto has 135 frigates. russia has 11 needle has over 2000 to military ships under its compact. russia has just under 600, but russia's underwater capabilities are formidable. the country has more than 40 nuclear powered submarines around 10 on with nuclear weapons from leadership savings of russia as of a superpower. and the only reason why it can be conceded to the super plow
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is the free exit at its nuclear. also now is biggest of all except for the united states. they do play these cards all the time and that's why as a week they are in terms of conventional weapons. the strong guys they attempt station to use for, for 3 of them. uh, using uh nuclear weapons but the relationship between russia and the west on the baltic sea was not always as fractured as it is today. the former german chancellor. i'm the mac and president vladimir pushing sunk regular contract, apparently hoping to maintain good economic relations get an extra part of the order. is that good stuff even though just eat? so just let you know that i will to 42 initially with no question which was but then things changed. get the most of the will be near the premium. i'd say the
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final break came in september 2012. the discharge enough to go with them. the ability suton had decided to remain in power forever, that there would be no more transition of power. so you know, just to build fee, put the, put them finding in their own. i don't know, i'm just going, you shouldn't go to just to sal and for that he needed an external enemy, a super human animate devotion. you move that there's no harm over and you can't find a better enemy. the nato eat lots of sham not the garden able to do with. the soviet union had collapsed with nito remained, and even gained new members for approaching the needle. expansion is fundamental to his narrative. guns, clod, dition. yeah, rushes these ne. so as it may not just 3, the one that poses the greatest, the threats, at least from the russian perspective. i'm not just in military terms. i know some
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must go relates fee of that nature was planning a kind of to, to talk to the post the government, the other give them got to that's russ stock is the strategically important of naval base and home to the german naval command, vice admiral frump lensky is one of the countries highest ranking officers, but his task is not purely a military one. e o. c is wanting to know soon as the ball succeeds, an international body of water making on which they speaking. it's extremely important to maintain open shipping words. that's also true for russia, by the way, at least one side of it simple. it's an ex post posts through some pages back or so . so russia also has a great deal of interest in keeping the baltic see result is the dealing in is a german mind hunting vessel. it patrols the baltic sea along with many other nato vessels. for a long time, the underwater threat here was largely fear radical as
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i'm willing to address that. so he says, i think that's good on the, i'm the, this is a military vessel i used to detect the presence or absence of mine is because it's all like we have to send to detect on that on. so i'm the equipment to destroy the all done finished and so can, in addition to that. so i'm going to note that we can also line mines also leaving the mission has become broader and more dangerous. since the start of the invasion of ukraine, new threats have emerged, such as underwater attacks on pipelines and threats to internet and power cables. yes, and that's outside this, so nobody let me out and divide doesn't always covered up to that. we now have a new responsibility conducting on the water monitoring. we have to have any changes on the scene that often the monitors of frequent intervals, leasing, often in the port knocked off of the assignment was the whole, the investigation of the attacks. i know that stream pipeline to i'm speak of the not seeing pipeline,
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lieutenant fritz can provide any details. the mission is classified. who exactly carried out. the attack is still a matter of speculation. all out the, the crew i've been dealing and conduct frequent drills to prepare for emergencies like defending the ship from a direct assault of course the very by the not sizing but yeah. just yeah. so is it possible to do? yeah. one scenario is an attack by terrorists on a speed boat. the doors. yeah. yeah. right.
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the russian warships are still deployed on the baltic. the beginning. what was interesting give said, are you all counselors with russian ship do happen to hear the bone succeeds on sunday. i don't want to fall through most on the so we do have encounters like got to do, but they all take place under the principles of good semen shipped. and to me, it's like a gentleman's agreement that the government you don't hang during on the vessels progress. i think of course, because we keep a close eye on what they're doing. good. and if there's anything unusual, if it's reported to me and gets a brand new, i taste of that, that those reports are also strictly classified. habitable, pretty good. the all the that both the wish you a 2nd later, why the to was. yeah. like
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was on small noise. yep. nito, finland and sweden have also conducted drawing naval exercises even before fin. lynch joins nato is because, well that's what it says. i got a corporation is very, very close it on for several years now. we've seen frequency invitations to take parts and international move this under the it's not unusual for the finish. and swedish navy is to join us on exercise by owns mit it sweden and finland, particularly feel the threat from russia. sweden has applied for nato membership. finland joined in 2023. it's border with russia is more than 1300 kilometers long. in land is jasmine and had always been neutral. it made a deliberate decision to remain outside of nato for a very long time. it based it security strategy on remaining neutral and
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maintaining, i would say balanced or even good relations with russia as much as possible, even during the cold war. and i think it was at the same time finland to maintain the strong military, especially along with the russian border. it strategy, the best possible relations with russia and the best possible defense against this cost benefit calculation hasn't gone dimensionally changed since the war against ukraine bowl. this historical speaking, germany's defense minister in january 2023. it's not about the tone, but i want to emphasize again that germany is by a clear margin, the highest contributor to ukraine and the european union started. we are proud to provide the support because we believe it is important and necessary. and after the usa, we are on par with great britain. every military conflict, every war of aggression against us up in states always carries the risk of escalation is collect your the in stoughton for
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the norwegians, secretary general of nato, has been a key advocate of nato enlargement in europe from the start. your so said attack on ukraine is more than the tackle. new crane is that it's a devastating horrendous attack on the innocent us people in ukraine, but is also an attack on the holes you the pin security order. and that's the reason why we take it. so experiences stokes and bread also regularly travels to stock home to meet with the swedish defense minister, pull the on sun and offer his support for the country's efforts to join me to some a aerial to open book that's been of the can you get the through the insurance, the outbreak of war on february 24th,
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it's been clear that russia is prepared to take major military and political risk. we have to be prepared for that. so that one thing we learn from this war is that if you want to have access to article 5, tomatoes, defense guarantees, and noodles defense planning. you have to be a full member of nato, just because on the i think the most mama format the media nieto headquarters in brussels. although russia wanted to weaken the alliance. the attack on ukraine has had the opposite effect in may 2022, finland, and sweden submitted their official letter of application to join nato as they moved by the lender. then one of the 2 countries submitted their applications. i realized we were witnessing history in the making after all, those countries when you troll for a long time, probably long sweden for more than 200 years. and the fitness became neutral to what the alliance in the 1950 side. so not entirely voluntarily. we've been working closely with both countries, so it was an exciting, big moment. my phone,
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i'm cause only the swedish defense university, and stockholm is an elite school for future military leaders. yackel best bag and internationally recognized expert in war studies. teachers here the halls are steeped in history, a clunky at the golf gum snort, they're split up the live show that's friday. okay, and announce good news is you're on to much to sweden and finland would apply for nighttime membership. i. mr. coleman, the russian government basically said to, that's no surprise to us. you can also that western world for a long time, glad to hide your into. so still, if we not, and you know, to, we got the had, i was a week response of so don't because it was a major strategic the fee for russia. and i didn't want to admit that it's the old stuff to you. i just need to know a military parade in moscow on may, 9th, 2023,
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march the 78th anniversary of a soviet victory over nazi germany. the, the kremlin itself has broad nato, even closer to russia's borders, with its war against ukraine, the, and yet people in russia don't see this as a defeat. as russian foreign ministers sergey lab ross made clear of the united nations. on april 25th 2023. they just shut down so that i see a, but that was put in the thirty's little shirt and you're not the you. and i will split it with the claim is that rush to try to prevent nato expansion. well, that's how they see it from there, i re tower. we to have our ivory towers. and the conclusions of unbiased observers and political analysts in russia and abroad, which is that nato wanted to break up the russian federation and ended up uniting, it was a village and i ceased good figured it's a little, you'll know,
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you'll split to nichol. i petroff is a russian security expert who lives in exile in germany. it's easy to present whatever is going as a victorious move for rush. and even the field seeing these war wage could be seen as humans eating the seats. i can see that to be not that much defense because there are, should oppose this, not ukraine is opposed as the whole west. it oppose us made the, which is much stronger. but remember, the last russia is doing pretty well in view of criminals prep. again, this and generally population. oh, google mendoza is a well known journalist and human rights activist in russia. she also lives in exile in germany, which you can always uh, new quote and can afford to lose this for any of the most. he's acting according to
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the churchill doctrine, directly soul chief chief with us shaking the blue on us. the churchill said, if napoleon had had the prompt a newspaper, no one would ever have known that he lost the battle of waterloo and to put in was a pretty good can afford to lose the ukraine war was still just convinced the russian people that they're actually winning the war, we go in stock on the united states, make clear. it also stands behind sweden speed to join nato, a semester. thanks for hosting me today and, and thanks for the warm welcome. and the special thanks for those. great. one of the 1st you have made the bow and historic decision to apply for nato membership. and you have the full and firm support of the united states. but what will nato gain from the membership of these 2 countries, which may be geographically large, but have a relatively small population?
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only 16000000 people in all send their own steam in each house and should be enrolled into looking at the middle trees of sweden and finland. it's evident that they both have well equipped and powerful armed forces. all they'll contribute to data is defensive capabilities for taking well. adding little to nature's cost and dental. i just didn't get those costs. these vis be class court back warships belonging to the swedish, maybe our state of the art meeting and psych money in some mold that we have a strong naval force cause we build and design submarines and operate them in the baltic sea or then we have a skilled fleet with modern corvettes and the ability to operate in coastal areas, the move um the idea that you just now you also have a strong defense industry in sweden, city, out of bosses. right. and there's no other country in the world with 10000000
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inhabitants that can build and design both submarines and combat aircraft for federal space clicked on. another important factor is good land. a swedish island in the baltic sea. busy chalk both coming to get them the opportunity for later on. so sam and o taught him, he's one of 3 strategic being pulled some times in the baltic sea region or treat for and homes another item. it's a danish territory. so, you know, to not far from russia's because he didn't grab it and just tossed the entry way to the politics a con spot. also, golf outlet is not the only significant on adult central alarm, but it's like and on the single line across kerio instantly a place for a military force is, can be stationed notice board for, for, to go through and i'll say at pretty the baltic. she was also on the front lines during the cold war,
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when germany was still divided and the countries of nato and the warsaw pact were enemies. the balance of power in the region at that time is difficult to assess. military strength is not just about the number of ships and soldiers. it's also a question of the quality of the ship's weapons and training for the crews. overall, the warsaw pact forces probably had an edge the . this is a rocket corvette, a worship from the former east, german folks, some of the know the people's navy in the 1980 this whole goodnight or captain to ship. much like this one in the feeling came on board in the front or so you can look it up. we had 4 missiles on
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board with a range of 80 kilometers and an altitude of 25 to 50 meters to engage. so our mission was to destroy the enemy surface forces, mainly and then a rocket launcher since the enemy mine layers. the enemy's offensive forces opens these customer base photos from the 1980s document every day life on board. in retrospect, it seems like the calm before the store, the close item does of industry for the most of the large vessels and the soviet lead would have been moved to the atlantic to fight enemy forces. there is our aim was to take control of it straight from our side, the data streams and then extend our control only one. also the bingo pfeifer also served as captain in the east german navy on the baltic sea during the cold war. these normally calm waters became very dangerous
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to us to buy. and so it could be that this dark, some concept thought soon the baltic sea, the marine region, with the highest concentration of naval forces. an air force is a field, according to more of a search for about 1350 naval vessels was stationed here in the baltic sea area. that includes the night to the naval forces on the wall sort packed part i'm sending and then sweden as neutral status. so that's on the whole set about 600 had a cop, doesn't that planes going this marine region? so we have the largest concentration of military forces in the world best by talking nieto and the warsaw pact. states were constantly preparing for war. the 2 sides were engaged in an arms race, including in the baltic sea. a major confrontation appeared imminent and both sides feared that the other might resort to nuclear weapons. and yet it did not come to ward so how follow tile was the
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situation really, the spirit or hobbies need to commend is much like the roman mars. such. i rent documents that set the whole soul packed ministry leadership and other words sort of yet home forces august to have good reason to believe at night time was not planning to start to long. see that that's not what we believed in former east germany. we were always supposed to be ready for the audio, even on the weekends, or the ships are required to be at 80 percent capacity just because even when the west gym and navy, it was a flock of a home might be launched on the weekend with this bought rubbish gold, i'll go into the next week or so just to be able to travel and collection today. many believe the baltic states pharma chicken lily vulnerable. they were once part of the soviet union, and russia appears to europe for the days of soviet greatness. the
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in march 2022, the stoney and prime minister kaya call us paid a visit to nito headquarters in brussels, the church the allies to help protect just don't the black, the end of the so we need to deter moscow. i think we have to double our efforts to put in cannot win this war. this is very important to all of us to, to the security of nature as well. and the 2nd thing we need to discuss is how to increase our defense spending and how to do it to a very wisely, as so that's so we strengthen the eastern flank, especially the both the countries because we can't have these plans to uh, you know, a defend the country alone and then the neighborhood afterwards. so,
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so that's why we need to have to come from the, to terrance a poster to defense plans and, and to very specific things to strengthen are part of the alliance of what's on the ship. it's called the ball to ship the ship, the city was and i'm blessed to be on the sea food and believes that any of his tank divisions could invade estonia for lithuania or latvia, and no one would resist him. when you to him, it doesn't matter. one bit that these countries joined tomato in 2004 to it that those of us probably got those to be new for them. not the for the dish. just, i'm gonna do the now to is, will send you building on the nato is military superior to russia. and russian meet to understand that just so that they don't even consider after attacking ukraine. also attacking another neighbor or the baltic states. both take partners kept telling us this was a real threat to be though we know,
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did i had much for the idea that these kind of imperialistic solutions still existed and seemed crazy. imperative is just a moment that of the law, the airbase is not far from ra stopped. you're the baltic sea to launch a euro 5 years squadrons are stationed here with more than 70 aircraft in total. from here, they also protect the baltic states several times today, euro fighters take off from logger to secure the air space. the euro fighter tri food is a well equipped aircraft for combat situations. the fighter jet features up to 3 external fuel tanks, as well as g p. s, and laser guided missiles for aerial and air to ground combat. the nito is stepped up, it's military exercises to test combat readiness. a ryan $23.00 multi face exercise
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included one of the largest tactical lending exercises in decades. it stimulated the invasion of a smaller country by its larger neighbour training how to defend against the invader. like a ramp on troops and i've left to strike foss hot and strong each. it's a unique combat situation for the french army because it allows us to cross the front lines. it can strike, attending the field. the voltage 23, was a large scale naval exercise in the baltic sea as a show of force, the most advanced american aircraft carrier, the us, as gerald, our ford arrived in european waters at the same time. the
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nieto and allied forces are constantly training to defend against and attacked. the defender 23 was the largest deployment exercise of air forces in needles. history. do all of these military exercises, risk provoking, russia. what else? we've been conducting both tops for decades, so let me see. this is one of several regular exercises we carry out to the baltic
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sales on coast, just like the northern coast exercise prussia carries out similar exercises. at the end of the day. these exercises and maneuvers are an essential part of maintaining your armed forces. that's why it's not unusual for armed forces who are deployed as a deterrent to carry out exercises. which also sends the signal that we are in a position to take successful action of if need be able in a home. so that is not enough. how little something that over the last 10 to 15 years, a specific logic tended to shape a policy towards russia. young, the mantra was, don't provoke russia in order to avoid war. but with rushes full scale attack on ukraine, many people, including political decision makers, have finally understood that the central issue is not one of the west and publication on this most goes own. well, gee, that which is largely impervious to outside influence a 3rd on the status. which reason defines us in
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1985, a large scale, botox or baltic operation was carried out back then. it was certainly a provocation. the maneuver in the vault 6 was in the soviet union's backyard. the, the us as iowa was an enormous battleship, 270 meters long and 33 meters wide, larger than the titanic today. it's docked in los angeles. as of loading museum shipped in 1985, it was believed to have had nuclear capabilities. both alternatives, if you will say tolerably. this of course cost us the most will pack leadership. it's was off the role of knowledge combining share with 16 inch guns on 3 target and the $632.00 cruise missiles on board with christmas. it was the 1st nuclear
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equipped car, yet to sign into the baltic sea cut state all us making those phone sizes through us navy. these photos were taken by the east german navy. the us, as iowa was a symbol of nato strength and of the decline of the warsaw pact. the hut is over at the shop while i go scoff at the end of it. so if you guys happen to go stuff night to mentioned in a speech to members of the u. s. navy, i see is that they were very surprised and impressed by us naval technology. i think the u. s. navy will find the vaughn on to appraise the u. s. navy and the come by power of the ship concert and admitted that we couldn't stand up to the comfort cost is actually in the fist on the glass itself, all the dust money into gain, but at the at the same time,
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in 1985 secret plans were unfolding and keep our kona on the east german island route and here lies a relic of the pat, just a former east german bunker on the far tip of the island. a good night of the former corvette captain in the east german navy knows what it was used for fitting, thanks for the outside. in the event of war, the bunker was intended to ensure that the high command remained operation awful as it was originally planned to how 70 men. the bunker covers 2000 square meters and was built by soldiers from the assessments, naval and construction battalion. all the other ones or substance readings, thomas the board site, while it was still under construction and 1985, the photo of the open excavation pit was published in
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a book about the eastern german military. and then the bunch of other times someone realized what had happened, it was too late to some of the books had already been sold for the cost. the remaining copies were destroyed with the location had been revealed that it was now public knowledge and public. and to definitely set us all the kind in the event of war, the bunker would be an obvious target. it was a mistake that in some ways is symbolic of the decline of the east, german military and of the soviet union as the leading power of the warsaw pact. 6 years later, soviet occupation forces began their withdrawal from germany a defeat that main like that him you're approaching never came to terms with even 30 years later, it is an experience. he seems not to have forgotten. i think they had the vision of how the cold war ended is very
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different in the russian to the west. and the idea is they have to say that the union was defeated and failed, which is so widespread that the west is not a shred by majority of russians. they view, it wasn't them who did stop the cold war to hands. they failed human nation. it was the case as a flag that pushing cameron prime is to restore these rushes gloria as role was very positively taken by russians. but do you, did you, did i see if you do not see like e mail to void, you read st. petersburg july 31st 202214 signs a new naval doctor and the pomp and ceremony were suggestive of a former world power with new global ambitions city.
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amelia design. the minutes of the, on the same day of large naval parade, took place in saint petersburg in his speech, putting outlined russia's new naval doctor. the issue at the measure of our areas of national interest are 1st and foremost, our waters of the article. the blacks, the misty of will cuts the bearings see in the baltic, and coral straight to what we will protect them firmly and by any means necessary. the key here is the capabilities of our neighborhood, and this device,
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it is capable of responding with lightning speed to anyone who wants to encroach on our sovereignty and freedom's level. the. but what does the new naval doctrine mean for nato? the yeah, but listen, is this and with rusher, it doesn't really matter whether there was a new don't train or an old one because russia makes up the same rules as it goes along the teeth. there's no consistency is the only constant is that they are again, that western values via freedom wouldn't be safe, tried everything in the power to one to mine corporation, within nato and within the european union. but with the majority innovation, it's gonna take now or change the exact opposite. i don't, i would guess, but some people in putin's in a circle are rubbing that always in disbelief. and when i didn't think they expected, basically somebody who is because i said, but russia has another key bargaining chip. colleen in rod,
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according to russian threats, nuclear weapons, will be waiting here for the west end tomato. colleen and crowd was once a part of the former province of each prussia. then it was called clinics back and was occupied in 1945 by the soviet union. as the crow flies, it's just 500 kilometers from berlin. cleaning up some i know the dodging. fluid deal so small, you know, i've often, i'm still in grad is important to the russian navy in the ground forces housing down the domestic force of the baltic fleet house, the house of russia's maritime military strategy. and the politics, the regional, but it's also important for most goes ground forces because it serves as a russian outpost in the middle of nato and e u territory, on stationing besides, the for example, is to come. the messiahs provides russia with much boston access to europe and serves as a terrence during peace,
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the times the size and the abstract and difficult, and 5 and tom, russia has breton to station nuclear weapons and because they named rod. but in reality, they've probably been there for years already. awesome. all good. i can close out the that up. they'll take it up. but it's not my get. i would say russia is being very reckless and it's rhetoric when it threatens nuclear weapons at the smoke, when it carries out exercises with nuclear weapons, and often the, or the, it's irresponsible into stabilizing this w. c. i absolutely reject russia's behavior from this guy. get either way, the real question is would pushing resort to the use of nuclear weapons, the t is aging. and so she did express these couple of times. so that's in case of nuclear kept us through of uh we'll go to paradise and our animals will go to hill
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uh, which it is not the real threat of but which means that he can seem confused direction, at least just of water. yeah. so, so you have to do some i, she's to the label, gene version, the frankly, i believe in pollutants. madness is a story or beach. it is really important for him to remain in the history books as the great one of the great collector of russian land, the great victor of nato, roche. okay. without that, which one of the produce that back to the beginning of the current conflict and ukraine. a war not launched by nato, the. what's the effect on the tons of this mission? if russia succeeds in ukraine, this will not be the final attack. because we have to make this clear to russia guys to vladimir putin squished you off with the jump to speaks with him from time
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to time. but i don't think it's possible to reach him. at least he's behaving like a map on the bottom. and yet, he's also responsible for the death of many thousands of russian soldiers, so that i'm sleeping homeless, the 12 as a kind of push this to gets. and i don't think the world will end in the near future to form. and i don't see a winner emerging in the near future either. that's why it's so important that we did not stop setting. an example in our support for ukraine is to, to didn't quite units of that's the is now with us has reached us. you'll just you lose your last name, but it's important that we don't delude ourselves, that there will be an easy way out to somebody else in the short term. and possibly not even in the museum term is the underlying question is, is there
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a viable way out of this country to considering the current political system in russia and the above will give them the current ruler, the current regime. now, i don't think there is because this imperialist weld viewing this belief that russia is under threats a very deeply ingrained dash function is the nato secretary general young stoughton beg, went to keep an early 2023, and paid a visit to the wall of remembrance. honoring fallen ukrainian soldiers leaving the world where we have actually held for going on in your uh, with the large scale military or braces we haven't seen in europe since the 2nd world war. the, the honest race on the baltic sea is far from over. a new cold war is raging on european waters. a conflict that is causing terrible suffering and one which bears
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