sizing the this award winning offer is available for every language learners and has never been set online. on facebook and youtube. i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. strong words from my guess is week data is full, the deputy supreme commander of your so richard sheriff, there is still in your, among european countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of stage with crow and to with russia. that is not going to happen. so what does he think will happen? so the lobbying prospect soon focus the loud wake up, cool for york and the american general associates at sheriff, welcome to come fix up. thank you very much and just bear with me here. you've kind

of jumped up some successes on the battlefield in recent weeks. i've actually taken back control of drilling platforms now in the black sea. i've been on it if you could give us an idea of some of the, of the scale of the challenges k of now faces in order to make further advances. i think it would be really difficult to overestimate the challenge. i mean, the brand is, uh, uh, ranged against what a stablish russian defenses other options have, have time to begin. they know, by digging in they've got in probably by the book of the credit is gonna break it into that very, very well, except the defensive side. breakthrough, it's like going to take don, mine feels like go to us. they've gotta keep with the significance. i'll talk to the risk incoming file. they've got a breakthrough and then they got a break out and they got to do all of this without proper eye color. without

a super or see which no nature allow me would consider to identify what that doing as well. no, no. so on a full stop has done a prize obstacle crossing in really difficult circumstances. you know, of the day sir, allow me with the exception of the v u. s. codes because even take this long coded and it's cutting in the account unfolds. i think, i think it is, i think any they say, well, i mean, but, but the, so as far as to high intensity combat operations would be, wouldn't be prepared to take this on, but no, with our an extraordinary amount of time preparation, training, and building up the equipment building upon addition on doing is i'm in a sense it's, it's is this as well? um, i mean the, the, the college and did in 91 was to break for the rocky defensive position, but it was on a past. so it was pretty easy, guy never has done this since the 2nd world war in your most i was always of sped, j is on counter insurgency in places like iraq, as you mentioned,

that stand in stock. so they're not exactly used to defending against the huge invasion, but your emphasis and the last few months has been on telling them that they should is that which i think is going to happen. i think it's nice to have is to deter russia. long term nation is going to be printed prepared for the worst case, which has to be prepared to fight russia. we have major armies of golf. i've got to put the conference agency mindset behind them and we can go about. so there is an understanding of time constituted combat operations. how much was the under pending of national armies during the cold war? now that's going back a very long time. i've started a new generation, have got to find ways to do as the exact same. the fleet of foot to resubmit it as if we've seen the it's members. zombies have spent a few days in latvia training where someone just realized the whole native personnel speak the same language with the same degree of decisions

a nevermind type job. so the street. 5 of 24, but it's big military vehicles brought down on the boat to way it's not impressive is at the moment. well they, so, i mean, i remain a sign of nice i, but you have to recognize which nice side of that it takes time that it's a consensus organization i added it's got to be able to is it has to move up to speed of a slight shift in the convoy, i mean, coming back to your fast don't touch it, and that's the strategic point, your tactical points that you're talking about. well, that's what exercises are for the test to get it right until during this time, right? things are going wrong. and so you can put them right, they started flips, of thoughts made. so multinational operations, at least it's the but it needs to hurt and it's capability and it's still higher and it's capable, it's about training and it's a can do that and really pursue the, the to see. right? so then spin, it can, it can build the big begin to build up that to turn capability that is needed. but

inside of build up, that sounds now i went all the way more than 18 months into the largest live boy you have since the 2nd world war. shouldn't things be going a little better these days? why didn't might just saying things going wrong, the better for me to stop and brought from us. i mean, we need to recognize this more didn't begin in february 20 uh, february 2022. it began in, in, in, in march $2141.00, the right one rush hour. i've talked to you prime all your play february 2014 wanted a nice kind to either make sorry to have work or not, but i'm really puts in place the measures required to build up its high intensity capability a. we might not be where we are, be your prime might pop by re, by, well, anyway, factors we all, what we also want so showed us to the grind started make it happen, drive home and you called before not to do that sort of thing. so i'm with you completely last year, a study as primary as the kind of carlos of all the data is previous plans for defending the baltic states. a country with basic therapy wiped out of the map by

a russian, a box, tomatoes, extensive planning stuff over the years of the cold war as increase based stock posts the day. well, that's exactly why i write my book, the russia hides. it highlights the french to the baltic states, written as a wakeup, cool to get and they started thinking about what it would do because our car tell us was absolutely right that if the russians attacked, it would have presented and they, so with the 2 options, one right, by accept number 2 months, a massive invasion of the voltage states to reach out to them. and so it is absolutely right. no, i'm not privy to the planning, but nato is putting in place extensive plans to defend nay to entire truth. which is exactly what it should be doing, but at the same time it's one thing to put a plans in place. it means the means to protect comes, brings us back to building up data is the tire and capability. and that means

focusing on high intensity conflict on the capability is required for high intensity conflict. it also means um, providing the cash to do that stuff. that is, i mean, you've got the 3 largest economies in may say you've got from germany, and it's all, they still don't paying 2 percent of g d p to most defense. so what kind of signal does that send to the credit? like a wireless? it's under say that's, that's a pretty ball 2nd, a lot of pain. let's look at the positives last. i'm in the positives of countries like highland absolutely building up. it's kind of that is a go to both sides started a lot the see right now. likewise, of course the guys are not saying not. i was in the czech republic recently the czech republic are really putting the money while they're in boxes and building up the capabilities is that you're absolutely right. countries like germany, italy, frauds, not yet beginning to spend the 2 percent of g d p. indeed, the german defense budget for trying to trying to treat is not that it was for 2022

. what sort of signal does not said, what does that tell you about the cycles i can vendor this cycle. moments of grades change when johnny was going to guarantee 2 percent of g d p. yeah, on yeah, in defense, i would also not just like i wouldn't let but and also the whole kinds of, i mean bridges. so not cosette. brittany will spend 2 percent 2.5 percent of g d p . when the economy allows that off right, isn't good enough. and that's where a long way of showing in this country side of western european countries, frankly need to wake up and he will walk gaming this conflict and you cry with all that stop logistical military political i'm certain to strode into the mix. how are it, would you be? well, i'm an optimist, i made sure, but i'm also rest rid of this. i think the ukraine will achieve its military objectives. ukraine does not kind of stop slicing. you've kind of determination, but will, in ukraine is absolutely extraordinary. ukrainians,

and that if i stop fighting, ukraine will stop existing as a country and so they won't go on fighting until they've defeated russia with always on the west. what does want to me though, is the west support for ukraine? americans support for your grand? we're coming up to the election. yeah. free of or leading republican the contents of a sudden i would pull out pull americans support from ukraine, an election yeah. means potential in decision and stuff is i worry about the level of capability to support in, for example, whether the time continue to dig deep and provide the ammunition and all of our capabilities that your crime needs. so i want to back provide rotation. i worry about prevarication, for example, jonathan is still hasn't made up his mind whether to send taurus the long range precision this all seriously capable and exactly what your training needs to complement it's high miles on the british storm shadow as well. so those of the,

i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. and there's a simple equation. yeah. if the west does, what needs been done, the west is going to be more secure because it will mean ukraine can defeat russia quickly if this thing runs old on, on, on, on the west as your, as a whole, will be less secure. and in jeopardy. storage and we don't talk much about on the in was these days, but it's an honorable stops in your view for the west to say to you, okay. okay. you go ahead and cite di for our values, and we'll give you some of what you need to do that, but we're not going to risk upsetting. you'll. it'd be too much so that he turns off is that on mobile? well, i think it's difficult and i figured i'd sort of books, right, that was honorable. i'm on the floor for example, the nation that somehow the west and a tire shouldn't be and insisting, but you credit and find some more a that, that, that meets. and that,

but the way that nice i would do it might be a very simple gives the ukrainians the means to do the job and let them get on with it. provides a support in terms of intelligence and cyber. and i'm an e w, of course. but don't try, i'm 2nd guest, ukrainian generals and say, you know what works. they have been fighting the russians not for over 18 months. and they have, they have watched it, the russians, they have demonstrated that that's all about what they still like is real capability. and equally, your point about uh, putting the time the constraints on your brand, it is absolutely right for you grind development, defend itself to practice in a level right of self defense. and if i mean striking into russia, well, so be it's, i'm afraid this self deterrence is it well by the west has only resulted in, in the prolongation of the war. if you cry and not have the means to really follow up the the liberation of cas on in november last year. things might be different as

it was, they didn't have that capability. but as a west, i've not given them one rule, they really need it in, in a timely manner about a lot of the russians to reestablish the front line. so robot can to solve building the cycle. so robot can line of defense making it much, much more difficult for the credit. and so that's a simple equation. it was if you apply, if you concentrate of, if you, if you, if you really go for it, then you're going to change. all right? and so if you're in trouble, if you're prevaricates, you're going to make things much less because it kind of take much longer. you're talking about ukraine striking into russian territory with cluster bones. have you no qualms about that? comes of countries. so about what the a mazda, i dropped the bombs around a vile on file. i don't expect to walk across rail and absolutely to close the use of drugs to bombs bots. if you, if trust, if you cry and needs possible items to clear a russian friend of systems on your credit, entire tree, that is

a completely different packages you that as a model for the pregnancy. but what your crime does need is long range because there's new types of bullets is so that it can target russian logistic installations, headquarters on the light and, and make it very difficult for the russians. you've got a wide, influential circle of your credit and contacts government, parliament military intelligence in may you even spend the nights in a, in a bump. sheltered care? is that right on the front part of the bone shelter along with many of the people who visited the crime, what was the mood like the inspirational determined? absolutely, this is wrong. i mean, the crime is, as i said out of the, i'll fix it, determined to fight, to protect the liberty. they recognize that this is a will not just against ukraine, but it's a current that's a war against the west and you pray and joining the west. the determination, the inspiration of the engineer to the um the,

the relative view from the leadership. uh, this is a dynamic country determined to build its to protect itself and to build itself up and to become the fun part of the west. that people are afraid about what the west might do or might not to, to help them of a losing face in the west of my things known as the grateful to the west for what the west has given them. i think on the signs of the berries frustration, but the west is trying to 2nd guess them and tell them how to use it, where a number and the number of recent articles which which, which, which i think i've made the point in the west. we're trying to, as i can guess, the requirements, but fundamentally, i think you companies are absolutely absolutely grateful, but let them get all those i set out in that some get on and do what they need to do without interfering with them. and the comments like, uh, will be with you all the way for as long as it takes they listen to those coming

out of brussels. they listen to those coming out of washington that i believe. do you believe them? well, i'll check on the price line here, but i do wire, as i said on the that will continue unless the positive actually let's, let's say for example, yes, the nice i some, it was very clear in terms of the support, but i would like to see also actually a statement from somebody, so somebody ukraine will join nature when but conditions allow when the pricing has stopped. and i would imagine we all day to give you without any less or hindrance everything. you need to make pricing start as quickly as possible, in other words, to defeat the russians and the chief joke, and bring back to our treat your granite entire tray on the crate in sovereignty and control several how, how finely balanced is this more in your view, how could things go badly wrong for you credit and what are the possible inflection points that you've tried needs to watch for?

and what are you guys going to continue to defend the russians while continue to months offensive operations, where they see opportunities as they are indeed mounting some of the fall offensive in the northern part of the house. it appears, but with the effective results. so you can go to continue to protect itself protected central gr, obviously it's also strength and it's also strength visits people and it will add its determination the lots made. so lots has also got a protected source of strength, which is, it's a lot cation. i think it ukraine will prevail. i think your credit is prevailing at the moment, but it can, it will only achieve final victory when it has broken through a port of the russian defenses. and in my view from crime. yeah, i'm from those lines of communication. don to climb the, making it very impossible for the russians to hold on. that us got a recall,

a huge amount more effort unless they don't suggest it's not going to be over with one offensive. i think we have to be ready to support the ukrainians in a series of counter offensive or which are going to require the same levels of training equipment administration. is that the launching of the fast defensive for across so this could run on for time. so the west nature needs the strategic patients to continue to support your grand till the end of the day. you know, how about the possibility? i think it was a, in an article in may that if the west thousands supply all the hardware you pay needs now, victory may not be possible. a nice entrance might have to intervene. directing to assure that k f wins. um, do you think that's a real possibility? is that something that nato would have seriously contemplate that they so never seriously come to places before 2014 or even up to 2014, an invasion of ukraine by russian nation. i never seriously contemplated the

voltage states would be for us and you can never sign up for the set up for the subject as well. now i it, but it never, you read if it really services or nice i would, and as a rock that would you inside ukraine? i think you'd have seen a completely different approach to turns back up. i taught. if nation i saw this in 2014, for example, so never roll anything out. um does what is nice, okay. do i have to get involved? i pray not. but if the alternative is a decade of stay on maybe a decade, all an enormous conferences, a running soul in eastern europe, who knows nato paul might need to get involved in order to swing the balance because that sort of style made a running so in eastern europe, along the borders of ukraine, is going to be a french to, to europe in security. and if at the end of the day, your pan security is, is threatened. nationwide security is trusting nighttime and may have to take

action to support your credit. but the way to avoid is that the way to avoid may to engagement is the double don know, and next. yeah. on what the crating needs to achieve victory or just a follow up on, on how you think this might go? do you think the base or whatever chief consensus on a plan to move in and directly assisting credit in forces with members like 100 off trip? so i kept talking oh, possessing a veto. his invention was ever get its act together to do that. well, it goes all straighter, is, is no longer made to a number, but no point is absolutely fine. the coast consensus would be incredibly difficult to get concepts that consensus. but as a set of nato moves at the speed of a flyer to ship in the convoy and if, if the threats is the, is the circumstances of i'm not clear and not the moment, but who knows antonio's time? things may well have changed and, and if it needs to,

and i said we'll get that. you've told him some of your interviews about a war last thing 2 to 3 years. no quick fixes. is that a danger that over such a long periods, that it will result as globalized? it drops from the headlines. people get bored, they lose the fighting spirit. money dries up on the priorities begin to dominate. is that a possibility in this instance to think? absolutely, absolutely. and that's exactly what i'm worried about, the west losing interest, the west losing momentum, the west losing 5 coast nights. i may say, oh i'm, is they tied defense forces not building themselves up. suffice without being built off to facebook. right? absolutely, that's my concern. but the with, as i said, i that with an election the next year in america, will america continue to provide that enormous capability? and that's something we got to watch. and it comes back to my point about the way

to make sure that ukraine achieves its picture as quickly as the double dawn of what it needs. now, in order to avoid that long running, but long running and stay on it. do for see what kind of your do you foresee coming out of this or it's it's not going to be the same, is that nothing is ever going to be the same again after this, what changes, everything changes. dr. changes a whole perception of security in your doesn't it, i think very still saw it's a very still in your, among european countries, a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of stage of the quote to, with russia that is not going to happen what ever happens? yeah, let's assume your credit achieves expanded trajectory. let's assume the guns, bull, silent veterans some as a result of either the russians running a white flag, all the novices or something and the ukrainians able are able to, to deliberate as much of the country as and will allow them the security of,

of a, it was not looking for that is not going to stop russia about russian dissolved under what a leader is in the kremlin. russia will continue to want to eliminate ukraine from a map. it's built into russian dna that ukraine cannot exist as a, as a country. there is no such thing as a separate nation or culture of ukraine. and that means that ukraine has got to become part of no time. and that means, but in order to protect and they try to protect your protect the laws, protect the crane nights i was going to establish a bond of the tyrants, deal around around eastern europe, trying to do grand mobile dive of georgia. maybe even one day by the rest uh, to protect against a russian because what we're witnessing is the decline of the russian. and this is going to play out over the decades to com. it's not a bit of an over and done with the quickly. it's yours of my grandchildren,

100 repricing his challenge. and so the only way to maintain peace in your loan is through an effective nature to turn so that instead of change the change, but dynamic and economically, financially, the way your positives business, i don't think the public is completely dropped out. but that's my view of the way things are. don't have to do something very dr. of new care to tone subscribes to survive this conflict. now the russians being waving gets nukes and all faces. and how are we going to see it when they have a new param, states doing the same thing, whatever they want, something that to we won't get home. yeah, i mean, i think you're going to be really careful about this as assuming, but somehow because we've got, you're right in this country we've, we've got tried to an end to come to the attempt to continental, the signal solves that is going to credibly russian aggression or to the tire effectively, you need to be able to deter at every level of symmetric conventional types on the plan, all the way up the scale. i think for the foreseeable future,

russia of course, will post a new friend. the way to to the target is to have effective new political turns as well as conventional the turns by the way to and showed up a new class. but the nuclear saber rattling is, is, in a sense rendered um, meaningless, is through effective conventional to tire detox. because of russia thinks that it can get away with nuclear black mile 'vette. it won't try that. and if you have effective the terms on every level, it wouldn't be able to provide for your, for your home, the big a problem, the west to show that it listens to new, clear black male. it's been listening to what the crab and the sentence it's. it's turned down, it's rhetoric. it hasn't given you credit. the weapons that need it listens to new, clear back ma'am. and that makes it valuable to basically like north korea, doesn't it? well, let's just back to my point about self deterrence and

a not cooling pritchens month. i mean, let's be clear and the sort of new saber rattling is really, really dangerous. uh, but yeah, the west needs to be absolutely unequivocal and i'm shoulders the top of, i mean, i think we have to know upset and of course is that there is communication between america and russian. up there is communication between certain, all the native capital's and russia, i'm absolute this out that the message has been played out very powerfully. but if there is in the fall of nuclear, new to release, tactical or otherwise, russia can expect to suffer a massive pay conventionally as a result. but the wesley is declared determined about that. so richard sheriff, we've run out of time, unfortunately. thank you very much for being on complex, so thank you for having me. thankful for your time. thank you. the the

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