the same time i find my home in the co to this weekend on w. these are the news on the news. i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. strong words from my desk. this week they thought was full, the deputy supreme commander of your so richard sheriff, there is still in your, on your appear in countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of stage with crow and to, with russia side is not going to happen. so what does he think will happen? so the lobbying prospect soon focus the loud wake up, cool for york, the american general. so richard sheriff, welcome to come pick. so thank you very much and just bear with me here. you're

kind of shocked up some successes on the battlefield in recent weeks, i've actually taken back control of drilling platforms now in the black sea. but i wondered if you could give us an idea of some of the, of the scale of the challenges k of now faces in order to make further advances. i think it would be really difficult to overestimate the challenge. i mean, the brand is, uh, uh, ranged against what a stablish russian defenses other options have, have time to begin. they know, by digging in they've got in probably by the book. and the credit is gonna break it into that very, very well accepted, defensive design breakthrough. it's going to take don, mine feels like go to as they go to occur with the significant alternatives incoming file, they got a breakthrough, and then they got a break out. and they got to do all of this without proper eye color without

a super or see which no nation allow me would consider the site like that doing as well. no, no. so on a full stop has done a prize obstacle crossing in really difficult circumstances or no other day. so i'll be with the exception of the us codes go to even take this long coded and it's cotton america unfolds. oh, i think i think it is. i think, okay, any day. so i mean, but, but the, so as far as to high intensity, combine operations would be would it be prepared to take this on but not with are an extraordinary amount of time preparation, training, and building up the equipment building. i found additional doing is i'm in a sense it's it's, it's just as well. um, i mean the, the, the college did in 91 was to break for the rocky defensive position, but it was on a past. so it was pretty easy. guy never has done this since the 2nd world war in your medicine has always have sped. g is on counter insurgency in places like iraq,

as you mentioned, that kind of stuff. so they're not exactly used to defending against the huge invasion, but your emphasis and the last few months has been on telling them that they should is that which i think is going to happen. i think it's nice to have is to deter russia long tom. nature is going to be printed per pound for the worst case, which has to be prepared to fight russia. we have mitchell armies. i've got i've got to put the conference agency mindset behind them and we can talk about. so there is an understanding of time constituted combat operations. how much was the underpinning of national armies during the cold war? now that's going back a very long time. i've started a new generation have got to find ways to do as the exact same sleet, tougher to resubmit it, as if we've seen the it's members obviously spent a few days in latvia training where someone just realized the whole native

personnel speak the same language with the same degree efficiency, nevermind type job. so the street out of time before, but it's big military vehicles broke down on the boat to way it's not impressive is at the moment as well. and they, so, i mean, i remain inside of nice i, but you have to recognize which nice side of that it takes time that it's a consensus organization i added it's got to be able to is it has to move at the speed of a flight of ship and the convoy, i mean, coming back to your fast, they're all tempted and that's a strategic point. you know, a tactical points that you're talking about. well, that's what exercises are for the test to get it right until during this time, right? things are going wrong. and so that you can put them right. so they sort of fluids or thoughts made. so multinational operations, at least it's the but it needs to hurt and its capabilities. yeah. it's the higher and it's capability by training. and if it can do that, i'm really pursue the, the to see, right? so then span it can, it can build, begin to build up that to turn capability that is needed for that side of build up

by that. so i was now, i went all the way more than 18 months into the largest live more in europe since the 2nd world war. shouldn't things be going a little better these days? why that might just saying things going wrong. the better from the stop brought from us, but i mean, we need to recognize this more. didn't begin in february 20 uh, february 2022. it began in, in, in, in march 2041, the right one rush hour. i've talked to brian. all you play february 2014 wanted a nice kind that i just made. so i was working on them and really puts it in place . the measures were clogged to build up its high intensity capability a. we might not be where we are, be your brain might off by re, by we all anyway, factors. we all where we all said was served, showed us to the grind started make it happen, drive all as you call to for not to do that sort of thing. so i'm with you completely. last year, a study as parameters, the car callous of all the data is previous plans for defending the baltic states.

a country with basic therapy wiped out of the map, fight a russian, a box, tomatoes, extensive planning stuff over the years of a cold loss increase based stock posts ability. well, that's exactly why right? my book. yeah. russia hides, it highlights the french to the baltic states, written as a wake up, cool to get, and they started thinking about what it would do because cock how this was absolutely right. that if the russians attacked, it would have presented may. so with the 2 options, one right, by accept number 2 months, a massive invasion of the voltage states to reach out to them. and so it is absolutely right. no, i'm not privy to the planning, but nature is putting in place extensive plans to defend nay to entire truth, which is exactly what it should be doing. but at the same time it's one thing to put a plans in place. it needs the means to protect and that comes, brings us back to building up no size to turn capability. and that means focusing

on high intensity conflict on the capability is required for high intensity conflict. it also means providing the cash to do that stuff. that's, i mean you've got the 3 largest economies in mesa, you got from germany and it's all they still don't paying 2 percent of g d p to most defense. so what kind of signal does that send to the cabinet? because when it's on to say it's a pretty full signal out of hand, let's look at the positives last. i'm in the positives of countries like highland absolutely building up its capabilities. a both excites a started a lot the see right now line cries, of course it guys were not saying not i was in the czech republic, recently the czech republic are really putting the money while they're in boxes and building up that capabilities is that you're absolutely right, countries like germany, italy, frauds, not yet beginning to spend the 2 percent of g d. p. indeed, the german defense budget for trying to trying to treat is that it was for 2022.

what sort of signal does lots and what does that tell you about the cycle? so i can vendor this cycle moments of great change when johnny was going to guarantee 2 percent of gdp. yeah, on yeah, in defense, i would also not just like i wouldn't let but most the whole kinds of, i mean bridges are not cosette. brittany will spend 2 percent 2.5 percent of g d p . when the economy allows that off. right? isn't good enough. and that's where a long way show up in this country side of western european countries, frankly need to wake up. if you're a little more gaming this conflict and you cry with all the stop logistical administrative political, i'm certain to strode into the mix. how are it, would you be? well, i'm an optimist, i made sure, but i'm also rest rid of this. i think the ukraine will achieve its military objectives. ukraine does not kind of stop slicing. you've tried the determination, but will, in ukraine is absolutely extraordinary. ukrainians,

and that as i start fighting, ukraine will stop existing as a country and so they won't go on fighting until they've defeated russia with always on the west. what does want to me though, is the west support for ukraine? americans support for your grand? we're coming up to the election. yeah. free of or leading republican the content us upside by would pull out pull americans support from ukraine, an election? yeah. means potential in decision and stuff is i worry about the level of capability to support in, for example, whether the time continue to dig deep and provide the ammunition of our capabilities that your crime needs. so i want to back provide rotation. i worry about prevarication, for example, jonathan is still hasn't made up his mind whether to send taurus the long range decision this all seriously capable and exactly what your training needs to complement it's high miles on the british storm shadow as well. so those of the,

i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. and there's a simple question. yeah. if the west does, what needs been done, the west is going to be more secure because it will mean ukraine can defeat russia quickly. if this thing runs old on, on, on the west as your, as a whole, will be less secure and in jeopardy storage. and we don't talk much about on the, in was these days. but it's an honorable stops in your view for the west to say to craig, okay, you go ahead and cite di for our values, and we'll give you some of what you need to do that. but we're not going to risk upsetting your. it'd be too much so that he turns on us is that on mobile? well, i think it's difficult and i think you were there for the books, right? that was honorable. i'm on the floor, for example, the nation that somehow the west and a tire shouldn't be and in such thing, but you credit and find some more a that, that, that meets and that,

but the way that nice i would do it might be a very simple gives you your pride into the means to do the job and let some get on with it. provides a support in terms of intelligence and cyber and an e w. of course. but don't try. i'm 2nd guest, ukrainian generals and say, you know what works, they have been fighting the russians not for over 18 months. and they have, they have watched it, the russians, they have demonstrated that that's all about what they still like is real capability. and equally, your point about uh, putting the time the constraints on your brand, it is absolutely right for you grind development, defend itself to practice in a level right of self defense. and if i mean, striking out into russia, well, so be, it's, i'm afraid this self deterrence is it well by the west has only resulted in, in the prolonged action of the war. if your brain on have the means to really follow up the, the liberation of cas on in november last year. things might be different as it was,

they didn't have that capability because of west i've not given them one rule they really needed. and in a timely memo of that, a lot of the russians to reestablish the front line. so robot can to solve, building the cycle. so robot can line of defense making it much, much more difficult for the credit. and so that's a simple equation. it was if you apply, if you concentrate of, if you, if you, if you really care for us, then you're going to change. all right. and so if you're in trouble, if you're prevaricates, you're going to make things much less because it kind of take much longer. you're talking about ukraine striking into russian territory with costa bones. have you no qualms about that? 100 countries. so about little of them in mind that the cost of items that are a file on file aspect to of course val and absolutely to close the use of trustable spots. if you, if trust, if you crane needs possible items to clear a russian friend of systems on your credit, entire tree, that is

a completely different pass you that as a model for the pregnancy. but what your crime does need is long range because there's new types abilities, so that it can target russian logistic installations, headquarters on the light and, and make it very difficult for the russians. you've got a wide, influential circle of your credit and contacts government, parliament military intelligence in may you even spend the nights in a and a bump, shelter and care? is that right on the front part of the bone shelter along with many of the people who visited you crime, what was the mood like the inspirational, the time? and absolutely, this is wrong. i mean, the trend is, as i said earlier, i'll click that, determined to fight to protect the liberty. they recognize that this is a will not just against ukraine, but it's a current that's a war against the west and you pray and joining the west. the determination, the inspiration of the engineer to the um the,

the relative use of the leadership. this is a dynamic country, determined to build its to protect itself and to build itself up until the accountants. i'm part of the west that people are afraid about what the west might do or might not to to help them of a losing face in the west. i think may i know it was the grateful to the west for what the west has given them. i think on the sands of the berries, frustration, but the west is trying to 2nd guess them and tell them how to use it, where a number and the number of recent articles, but rich rich bridge. i think i've made the point in the west. we're trying to 2nd guess the requirements, but fundamentally, i think you companies are absolutely absolutely grateful, but let them get all those i set out in that some get on and do what they need to do without interfering with them. and the comments like, uh, will be with you all the way for as long as it takes they listen to those coming

out of brussels. they listen to that is coming out of washington that they believe . do you believe them? well, i'll check on the price line here, but i do why, as i said on the that will continue unless the positive actually let's, let's say for example, yes, the nice i some, it was very clear in terms of the support, but i would like to see also actually a statement of the nature of somebody that ukraine will join nature when the conditions allow when the financing has stopped. and i would imagine we all day to give you without any less or hindrance everything, you need somebody to pass the pricing. so as quickly as possible, in other words, to defeat corrections on the tv. okay. and bring back to our true credit, entire tray on the credit in salt frontier and control several how, how finely balanced is this more in your view? how could things go badly wrong? for you, okay, and what are the possible inflection points that you probably needs to watch for?

what do you credit going to continue to defend the russians while continue to months offensive operations, where they see opportunities as they are indeed mounting some reform offensive in the northern part of the house. it appears marked with the effective results. so you've got to continue to protect itself protected center of gravity. it's source of strength and it's also strength visits people. and it will add its determination the lots made. so lots has also got a protected source of strength, which is, it's a lot, it's cation. i think ukraine will prevail. i think your credit is prevailing at the moment, but it can, it will only achieve final victory when it has broken through a port of, of the russian defenses. and in my view front and trying to, i'm from those lines of communication, don to crime, to making it very impossible for the russians to hold on. and so i just got a recall,

a huge amount more effort. and let's be on site jeff. it's not going to be over with one offensive. i think we have to be ready to support the grant is in a series of counter offensive, or which are going to require the same level of training equipment. i'm interested in that the launching of the fast defensive across if this could run on for time. so the west nature needs the strategic patients to continue to support your grand till the end of the day. you know, how about the possibility? i think it was a, in an article in may that if the west of them supply all the hardware you pay needs, now victory may not be possible. a nice entrance might have to intervene. directing to assure that k f wins. um, do you think that's a real possibility? is that something that nato would have seriously contemplate that they saw never seriously contemplated before? 2014 or even up to 2014, an invasion of ukraine. by rushing nature,

i never seriously contemplated the baltic states would be for us, and you can never say never to set up for the subject as was about it. but it never, you ran as if it really seriously thought nice. i would end at the rock and would you invite you cried, i think you'd have seen a completely different approach to turns back up because it is nice. i saw this in 2014 for example. so never roll anything out. um does what is nice. ok, do i have to get involved? i pray not, but if the alternative is a decade of stay on maybe a decade, all an enormous conferences, a running so in eastern europe, who knows? nature paul might need to get involved in order to swing the balance because that sort of style made a running so in eastern europe along the borders of ukraine is going to be a french to, to europe in security. and if at the end of the day, your pan security is, is threatened, nature of security,

trusting nighttime may have to take action to support your credit. but the way to avoid is that the way to avoid may to engagement is the double don know, and next. yeah. on what the crating needs to achieve victory or just a follow up on, on how you think this might go? do you think the base or whatever chief consensus on a plan to move in directly assisting credit in forces with members like 100? i'll skip. so i kept talking. oh, possessing avita isn't the getting together to do that? well, it goes, australia is, is no longer made, so i remember, but no point is absolutely fine. the cost consensus would be incredibly difficult to get concepts that consensus. but as a sonata may tire moves at the speed of a supplier to ship in the con board. and if, if the threat is the, is the circumstances of i'm not clear and not the moment, but here not errors antonio's time. things may well have changed and,

and if it needs to nice or we'll get that, you've told him some of your interviews about a war last thing 2 to 3 years. no quick fixes. is that a danger that over such a long periods, but it will result as though belies, it drops from the headlines. people get bored, they lose the fighting spirit. money dries up on the priorities, begin to dominate. is that a possibility in this instance to think? absolutely, absolutely, and that's exactly what i'm worried about, the west losing interest, the west losing momentum, the west losing 5 coast nights. i may say, oh i'm is they tied defense forces not building themselves up. suffice without being built off to face. that's right. absolutely. that's my concern, but the with, as i said, i that with an election the next year in america, will america continue to provide that enormous capability? and that's something we got to watch. and it comes back to my point about the way

to make sure that ukraine achieves that spectra as quickly as the double dawn of what it needs. now, in order to avoid that long running, long running and stay on it, do for say, what kind of your do you foresee coming out of this or it's, it's not going to be the same. is it? nothing is ever going to be the same again after this, what changes? everything changes doctrine. it changes a whole perception of security in your doesn't it, i'd say very still saw. it's a very still in your among european countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of states as quote to with russia. that is not going to happen. what ever happens? yeah, let's assume your credit achieves expanded trajectory. let's assume the guns, bull, silent veterans some as a result of 5 of the russians running a white flag, all of us are novices or something. and the ukrainians able are able to, to, to liberate as much of the country as and will allow them the security of,

of it was not looking for that is not going to stop russia about rushing dissolved under what a leader is in the kremlin. russia will continue to want to eliminate ukraine from a map. it's built into russian dna that ukraine cannot exist as a, as a country. there is no such thing as a separate nation or culture of ukraine. and that means that ukraine has got to become part of nature, and that means, but in order to protect and they try to protect your protect the laws, protect the crane nights i was going to establish a bond of the tire and steal a run around eastern europe trying to do grand mall drive of georgia, maybe even one day by the rest, to protect against a russian. because what we're witnessing is a decline of the russian. and this is going to play out over the decades to com. it's not a bit of an over and done with quickly. it's yours of my grandchildren,

100 based pricing goes challenge. and so the only way to maintain peace in your long term is through an effective nato to turn so that instead of change the change for the dynamic in economically financially, the way your does is business. i think the public is completely dropped out, but that's my view of the way things are going to happen. do you think a doctor of new care to tone subscribes to survive this conflict? now the russians being waving gets nukes and all faces. and how are we going to see it when they have a nuclear arm states doing the same thing, whatever they want, something that we won't get home. yeah, i mean, i think you're going to be really careful about us as assuming, but somehow because we've got, you're right in this country we've, we've got tried to attempt to come to the attempt to continental, the signal solves that is going to credibly russian aggression or to the tire effectively, you need to be able to deter at every level of symmetric, conventional, tactical nuclear, all the way out the scale. i think for the foreseeable future, russia, of course,

will post a new friend. the way to to the target is to have effective new political turns as well as conventional the turns by the way to and showed up a new class. but the nuclear saber rattling is, is, in a sense rendered um, meaningless, is through effective conventional to tire detox because of rational things that it can get away with nuclear black mile 'vette. it won't try that. and if you have effective the terms on every level, it wouldn't be able to provide for your, for your home, the big a problem, the west to show that it listens to new, clear, black male. it's been listening to what the credit of the sentence it's, it's turned down it's rhetoric and hasn't given you credit the weapons that need it listens to new, clear back ma'am. and that makes it valuable to basically like north korea, doesn't it? well, let's just back to my point about self determines uh,

i'm not cooling pritchens month. i mean, let's be clear. and the sort of new canada saber rattling is really, really dangerous. but yeah, the west needs to be absolutely unequivocal, and i'm shoulders the top of, i mean, i think we have to know upset and of course is that there is communication between america. rush it up. there is communication between certain, all the native capital and russia. i'm absolute this out and that the message has been played out very powerfully. but if there is any form of new that new to release, tactical or otherwise, russia can expect us off a massive pay conventionally as a result. but the wesley stickler determined about that. so richard sheriff, we run out of time unfortunately. thank you very much for being on complex. so thank you for having me. thankful for your time. thank you. the the,

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